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I have been surprised at how many on here think he is mustard, not been convinced since ha signed, he now is probably
as fit as he is going to get yet achieves little.
Surprised we signed him permanently based on his performances so far unless we had to.
 

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Yeah your a fool then, his passing range is the best in the team, Sawyers similar player and look at the abuse he got on here. Every good move we actually had he was involved in. Some people choose not to see it, so be it. The ball for Rico was class for example, he isn't in the side to battle every player, its why Janelt is there.
Agree that Jensen is a great talent on the ball. However that's only half the job. In mid you need to be combative when we haven't got the ball and he is v poor at that aspect. You can't leave that responsibility solely to Janelt or you will be overrun.Ghoddos is the same. You can't have two like that in mid IMO.
 

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I thought Mads was best.
I’m assuming you are missing the fishing icon??? Both Mads were awful today, Roerslev looked like he was only just learning to walk let alone play football and as for Mads Bech I have no idea what he was doing for the second goal...may as well have scored for them! Yes it was Raya’s original balls up but Mads handed that finish on a plate
 

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This is terrible, knowing that Toney was out I am surprised you then rest other leaders such as Dalgaard and Da Silva. Too many changes..let’s hope it improves 2nd half
IMO you are totally correct, Felt Roerslev should not have been picked today. This was a very big game and we needed our experience out there. Josh should also have been included. You could say we threw that game away through team selection and the goals conceded. In terms of the 1st goal, i thought it was a bad decision for me Rico went to clear the ball he never saw his opponent so it was not deliberate. Well the 2nd was self explanortary. I had my rant in the week, it will leave it for someone else
 

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Another in a long list or recent games where our players are consistently second to every ball and the closing down is not there. Canos, Sorensen and Forss should not be near the starting 11, Fosu is the only player who can retain and win the ball in the final third.
Did you mean to write Sorensen?? He has been the most constant performer along the back line since Christmas!

Rico had been appalling (by his standards) lately.
Pinnock seems unassured and has forgotten how to pass.
Henrik looks knackered and unsure whether to go forward or not.

Maybe we should look to change formation. 3-5-2 maybe?

Pinnock Reid and MBS at the back
Fosu and Henrik as wing backs
3 in the middle (Janelt, Jensen and JDS)
2 up top (Toney/Forss)

Cant get much worse than today and the injury to Henry may force our hand somewhat in to making changes.
 

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I’m assuming you are missing the fishing icon??? Both Mads were awful today, Roerslev looked like he was only just learning to walk let alone play football and as for Mads Bech I have no idea what he was doing for the second goal...may as well have scored for them! Yes it was Raya’s original balls up but Mads handed that finish on a plate
It was MBS I was referring to IMO Raya passed to their player leaving MBS to try and retrieve it, the rest of the game I thought he did well,
I will have to wait and see the replay but to be honest I can't face it.
 

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it is the way we lost 3 in a row
It’s the reactions .. we are all disappointed that we’ve lost 3 games in 6 days and yes we’ve been really poor in 2 & half of those 3 games .. but you know there’s a fair few who can’t wait for us to fail so they can lay into their chosen target albeit Thomas Frank, Jenson or Canos etc
 

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It was MBS I was referring to IMO Raya passed to their player leaving MBS to try and retrieve it, the rest of the game I thought he did well,
I will have to wait and see the replay but to be honest I can't face it.
Yes I don’t blame you at all for not wanting to watch any of that again, all I can say is that he wasn’t the worst out there and he has done better this season than what I was expecting but it was school boy defending for the second. He only had to stand his ground and then I’m sure he would’ve got a block in if required.
 

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Did you mean to write Sorensen?? He has been the most constant performer along the back line since Christmas!

Rico had been appalling (by his standards) lately.
Pinnock seems unassured and has forgotten how to pass.
Henrik looks knackered and unsure whether to go forward or not.

Maybe we should look to change formation. 3-5-2 maybe?

Pinnock Reid and MBS at the back
Fosu and Henrik as wing backs
3 in the middle (Janelt, Jensen and JDS)
2 up top (Toney/Forss)

Cant get much worse than today and the injury to Henry may force our hand somewhat in to making changes.
Pinnock can't pass because he's playing on the right so we lose he very good distribution with his left foot and instead watch Sorensen hoof it long or into touch. People have rose tinted specs with Sorensen because of his age. He was dreadful and has been poor for several games. M'boro and Reading could have scored several against us. Canos chipping it to the keeper when Ghoddos was unmarked on the pen spot sums up why we are so poor. Fosu has to be in the final third as he gets us playing up the pitch and battles for the ball.
 

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I'm normally loath to criticise Thomas Frank, but what possessed him on a day when our main source of goals was unavailable to rest three key players - DaSilva, Dalsgaard and Fosu, all of whom can be relied on to find the net from time to time? Where was our midfield? What we put out was virtually a reserve team.

Only 14 points now between us and 7th. I originally intended that remark to be humourous. Now I'm not so sure.
100% agree. We simply don't have the players to rotate the way TF wants to. Forss and Roselev are not Championship level plus Ghoddos who is a big disappointment as he hasn't improved the team in any way. If you remove your rose tints we were riding our luck before these past 3 defeats and too heavily reliant on Toney to get us the points. The fact is the club screwed up in January and now it's too late to remedy it. I'm afraid Thomas Frank and his coaching staff need to take a big lump of responsibilty for what's happening. I bet Barry Bannon cant wait for Wednesday.
 

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Did you mean to write Sorensen?? He has been the most constant performer along the back line since Christmas!

Rico had been appalling (by his standards) lately.
Pinnock seems unassured and has forgotten how to pass.
Henrik looks knackered and unsure whether to go forward or not.

Maybe we should look to change formation. 3-5-2 maybe?

Pinnock Reid and MBS at the back
Fosu and Henrik as wing backs
3 in the middle (Janelt, Jensen and JDS)
2 up top (Toney/Forss)

Cant get much worse than today and the injury to Henry may force our hand somewhat in to making changes.
It probably needs a change of formation, you need the right blend of players all on their game to play 4-3-3 successfully and now we appear to have lost Rico for god knows how many weeks we will probably see an enforced change in formation
 

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Ghoddos coming off was crazy. Thomas should have picked the most experienced team he possibly could today coming off two defeats, why do we rotate so much when other teams don't?
Eh? Ghoddos didnt contribute a damn thing in all the time he was on the pitch.
 

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It’s the reactions .. we are all disappointed that we’ve lost 3 games in 6 days and yes we’ve been really poor in 2 & half of those 3 games .. but you know there’s a fair few who can’t wait for us to fail so they can lay into their chosen target albeit Thomas Frank, Jenson or Canos etc
The year we won the division 3 title under Holder we were top with 12 games to go we lost 4 then drew 2 we all thought it was all over then we won the last 6 so it's not all over.We could still be second this evening.
 

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It’s the reactions .. we are all disappointed that we’ve lost 3 games in 6 days and yes we’ve been really poor in 2 & half of those 3 games .. but you know there’s a fair few who can’t wait for us to fail so they can lay into their chosen target albeit Thomas Frank, Jenson or Canos etc
Yep. That's football isn't it? You win, lose or draw. 🤷

Why weren't people questioning Thomas Frank, and the players, during that really bad run we had after that Stoke City debacle in October?! :banghead:

You know, the 21 game undefeated jobby. ;)
 

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Hard to criticise Thomas as he has been our most successful manager post 1945. However IMO he shares a limitation with Warburton. He persists with a one dimensional approach and if it doesn't work he tries to make it work. Making plan A work is plan B. Teams aren't going to let us play our game. We need players who can face up to that if we are going to get back on track.
He doesn’t have a big enough first team squad to have a plan b really, especially without Pontus and Noorgaard. It looks to me like he’s making changes cos of crap performances rather than changes of tactics. I think he looked very concerned about it, even in the 1st half.
 
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Here is your Saturday afternoon Fact Check courtesy of Untouchable:

Today’s Fact Check is brought to you by Tena Man. Why settle for just wetting the bed when you can piss yourself all day long too.

  1. We’ve lost 2-0 away from home ✅
  2. It was our worst performance of the season ✅
  3. A performance that bad should bring into sharp focus what we need to do to make the top 2 achievable ✅
  4. Context - In October 2020, if I had offered any Bees fan 1 defeat in 8 for the next 24 games, I’d have had my hand, arm and shoulder bitten off. ✅
  5. Despite losing 3 on the bounce, we are still second in the Championship ✅
  6. We are still points clear of Swansea, Reading and Bournemouth ✅
  7. And ahead of Watford on GD✅
  8. We are still 14 points clear of the pack chasing play off places ✅
  9. We still have the best goal difference in the league ✅
  10. We still have scored the most goals in the league ✅
  11. Ivan is still the leading Championship goal scorer ✅
  12. Ivan still has the most assists in the Championship ✅
  13. Roerslev haters - please do one. How pathetic have you got to be to slag off a 21 year old starting his first game of the season in a team lacking confidence ✅
  14. Raya haters - please also do one. I) He decided where he was going for the penalty and I’m sorry but the human arm wasn’t designed to bend backwards that way. II) He was no more at fault for the second goal than the static defence who weren’t alert to the high press ✅
  15. If you have actually sat and typed ‘the season is over’ ‘we aren’t a top 6 club’ or anything to that effect, I hope you’ve enjoyed following the Bees since 2014 ✅
  16. This still isn’t the time for pill popping. ✅
  17. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Sheffield Wednesday are getting smashed on Wednesday ✅
 

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I'm going to broaden the debate and pick on another player to slate. Josh da Silva is doing my head in - we all know what he can do and apart from two moments recently he just isn't doing it. He's not defending and he's not attacking; we all know his strength is being central and running at defences, so why the feck isn't he doing it, or being told to do it? He just looks plain lazy at the moment. In fact, I'm sick in general of seeing us hem ourselves in on the wings all the time, rather than run at these lesser teams - they press us, but we just fail to make life hard for them.

Oh, and Marcus Forss needs to go back to striker school.
 

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The Coventry player should have been booked for simulation....Bees should have had a free kick....You Reds..
 

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Did you mean to write Sorensen?? He has been the most constant performer along the back line since Christmas!

Rico had been appalling (by his standards) lately.
Pinnock seems unassured and has forgotten how to pass.
Henrik looks knackered and unsure whether to go forward or not.

Maybe we should look to change formation. 3-5-2 maybe?

Pinnock Reid and MBS at the back
Fosu and Henrik as wing backs
3 in the middle (Janelt, Jensen and JDS)
2 up top (Toney/Forss)

Cant get much worse than today and the injury to Henry may force our hand somewhat in to making changes.
Not a bad idea. might make the back line a bit tougher to score against especially with Rico out now.
 

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Yeah your a fool then, his passing range is the best in the team, Sawyers similar player and look at the abuse he got on here. Every good move we actually had he was involved in. Some people choose not to see it, so be it. The ball for Rico was class for example, he isn't in the side to battle every player, its why Janelt is there.
I am not doubting his ability, he is nowhere near Sawyers YET. also Sawyers is one of the best midfield players that i have seen at Brentford. You need more than a couple of good passes ina game. By all means that’s your opinion and i respect it. Your quick to tell me that i am a fool, yet you failed to answer my question.
 

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He doesn’t have a big enough first team squad to have a plan b really, especially without Pontus and Noorgaard. It looks to me like he’s making changes cos of crap performances rather than changes of tactics. I think he looked very concerned about it, even in the 1st half.
We haven’t a plan B for 10 years, we play the way we do and when we come up against the dark arts or high press we usually lose. Our tactic is to assume only a few teams can do this for 90 mins, maybe that is our biggest mistake this season.
 

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I'm going to broaden the debate and pick on another player to slate. Josh da Silva is doing my head in - we all know what he can do and apart from two moments recently he just isn't doing it. He's not defending and he's not attacking; we all know his strength is being central and running at defences, so why the feck isn't he doing it, or being told to do it? He just looks plain lazy at the moment. In fact, I'm sick in general of seeing us hem ourselves in on the wings all the time, rather than run at these lesser teams - they press us, but we just fail to make life hard for them.

Oh, and Marcus Forss needs to go back to striker school.
You don’t think he just might be carrying an injury and with this relentless number of games, not having the time to be able to get over it ? I’ve no idea myself but just a thought.
 

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Here is your Saturday afternoon Fact Check courtesy of Untouchable:

Today’s Fact Check is brought to you by Tena Man. Why settle for just wetting the bed when you can piss yourself all day long too.

  1. We’ve lost 2-0 away from home ✅
  2. It was our worst performance of the season ✅
  3. A performance that bad should bring into sharp focus what we need to do to make the top 2 achievable ✅
  4. Context - In October 2020, if I had offered any Bees fan 1 defeat in 8 for the next 24 games, I’d have had my hand, arm and shoulder bitten off. ✅
  5. Despite losing 3 on the bounce, we are still second in the Championship ✅
  6. We are still points clear of Swansea, Reading and Bournemouth ✅
  7. And ahead of Watford on GD✅
  8. We are still 14 points clear of the pack chasing play off places ✅
  9. We still have the best goal difference in the league ✅
  10. We still have scored the most goals in the league ✅
  11. Ivan is still the leading Championship goal scorer ✅
  12. Ivan still has the most assists in the Championship ✅
  13. Roerslev haters - please do one. How pathetic have you got to be to slag off a 21 year old starting his first game of the season in a team lacking confidence ✅
  14. Raya haters - please also do one. I) He decided where he was going for the penalty and I’m sorry but the human arm wasn’t designed to bend backwards that way. II) He was no more at fault for the second goal than the static defence who weren’t alert to the high press ✅
  15. If you have actually sat and typed ‘the season is over’ ‘we aren’t a top 6 club’ or anything to that effect, I hope you’ve enjoyed following the Bees since 2014 ✅
  16. This still isn’t the time for pill popping. ✅
  17. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Sheffield Wednesday are getting smashed on Wednesday ✅
Fair play to ya, but you know a few of those are turning to X by the end of the day, never mind mid week.
 

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We’ve had some of the best wingers in the league for years and now we’re reduced to watching Canos for 90 mins every game. Truly painful to see😂
the same Sergi canos that has been superb the last couple of months, the same sergi canos that changes the game when coming off the bench. FFS
 

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Eh? Ghoddos didnt contribute a damn thing in all the time he was on the pitch.
Well Jensen should have scored from his pin point dink into the box and he spread the play well when we actually gave him the ball, not his fault it was mostly going over his head by 20 yards. He has scored 3 goals and 1 assist in 7 starts, seems sensible to keep him on when chasing the game.
 

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Disappointing yes! ......we're flat and drifting badly away from autos.
BUT, this season we're going to break tradition, and go up through the play-offs*.
* but ONLY if TF listens to me! :sorted:
We need experience, toughness and 'motivators' on the pitch. But at least we should have our strongest players back for them.
We badly need to start keeping C L E A N S H E E T S....(that ship sailed a while ago).

My Team:-
Raya
Dalsgaard, Pontus, Reid, Henry
Noorgard, Sorensen (throws) Janelt,
Then three athletes (our first line of defence) to apply non-stop running to close the oppo down for an hour.
and then, (pinching 'Magicals' formula)...bring on Fosu, Toney and Canos...to finish 'em off.
........sorted!!:bounce:
 

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The Coventry player should have been booked for simulation....Bees should have had a free kick....You Reds..
Couple of other occasions where the ball was deliberately kicked over the advertising boards, and free kicks stopped from being taken quickly, thought they were yellow card offences?
 

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I felt sorry for Roe his first start clearly nervous could tell just from how long it took for him to take thrown ons. Lack of confidence. But Mbeunmo in front of him offered no support defensively or as an outlet. He got caught on the ball because no one offered an option.

Not enough leaders out there today.
 

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That was a poor poor performance. Team selection wrong. Passing was non existent. No leadership. Like watching BRENTFORD of old. Rant over we must all regroup and go again.🐝🐝.
 

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I am fairly certain you said you were happy when we signed Reid and wanted a winger correct? Lets be honest whatever we signed you would still not be happy with as soon as we lose a game or 2. I dont want to single you out but it is getting tedious now.
I was happy we signed any CB on the final day.
I rest my case your honour....
That was taken on the last day of the window, earlier in the window I suggested 3 or 4 incomings. We ended the window -1 on players and now we dont have a left back for 5 weeks because he has had to play every minute of every game.
 

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Well Jensen should have scored from his pin point dink into the box and he spread the play well when we actually gave him the ball, not his fault it was mostly going over his head by 20 yards. He has scored 3 goals and 1 assist in 7 starts, seems sensible to keep him on when chasing the game.
I think the correct answer is they should have both come off, if we had the options on the bench.
 

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Woeful today.. as bad as the Norwich away game under DS when we got spanked. young players out matched and stupidity all over the shop ..
 

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Spine of the team is injured. Pathetic defending. Devoid of ideas against teams that press us. Lack of depth in the squad. Unwillingness or inability to adjust our system and adapt. Fatigue. All of it is adding up. Terrible week
 

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Don’t think a fit Toney would have made any difference today.To me there was no passion, passing or pressing.To many long balls up to Forss who can’t win a ball in the air against CB’s
I said earlier we don’t look to play well against a back 3 and a 5 midfield
I disagree. There were a few balls into the box that Toney would have got on the end of but Forss was either flat footed or behind their defender.
 

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the same Sergi canos that has been superb the last couple of months, the same sergi canos that changes the game when coming off the bench. FFS
Yikes. If you climbed up any further up you might be able to see what he had for breakfast this morning
 

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TF said after QPR something to the effect dont panic stay positive. So with Toney out he decides to field the B team. Despite this we could have got away with a 0 0 draw. Raya ( who I have lot of time for) leapt over the ball to concede a penalty he should have saved and passed the ball to the opposition to give away second goal. Could also have serious injury to Henry.
 

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We cant blame injuries and we cant blame playing more games. We had the chance to address this in January. We decided to bring in one player and he can only play one game a week. Totally gutted feel sick, I dont blame TF or the players the damage was done in January. We badly needed extra bodies in certain areas, but I dont know where the issues lies. Was it Mr Benham or the DOFs, if you dont invest when you are third in the table on a 16 game unbeaten run when are you. To me it was a no lose gamble, they may have got us promoted they may not of done. But if we dont go up I would expect Dasilva, Henry, Toney & Raya to leave for a possible 60 million plus.
Might just be the small fact that there is no money coming into the club. It might be a case of unable to invest.
 
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Surprised we signed him permanently based on his performances so far unless we had to.
Yes, we had to, we had an obligation to buy not an option, thought he was turning the corner but has now done a U -turn and gone back to someone who trots onto the pitch at the start of the game to give us 11 players.
 

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We have also had five EFL Cup and 2 FA Cup games.

I make that 3 or 4 weeks in the season that other teams haven't suffered, where we have been unable to work on tactics and formations etc on the training ground, as well as adding considerably to our players' fatigue or injuries.

(Norwich have had 3 cup games, Bournemouth have had 5 so far, Watford 3 and Swansea 4. Many of those have been against lower league sides, while most of ours have been PL)
It’s true we had a good cup run, and it’s also true that we had an extended season cos of the playoffs too. But the management knew this in January, yet we loaned out players nonetheless, and signed just one on loan replacement first team-wise, short term cos Pontus went down. Look at us now, it’s not even the end of February. Maybe it’s just a blip, and maybe the other teams will run out of petrol too. Hope so!
 

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Here is your Saturday afternoon Fact Check courtesy of Untouchable:

Today’s Fact Check is brought to you by Tena Man. Why settle for just wetting the bed when you can piss yourself all day long too.

  1. We’ve lost 2-0 away from home ✅
  2. It was our worst performance of the season ✅
  3. A performance that bad should bring into sharp focus what we need to do to make the top 2 achievable ✅
  4. Context - In October 2020, if I had offered any Bees fan 1 defeat in 8 for the next 24 games, I’d have had my hand, arm and shoulder bitten off. ✅
  5. Despite losing 3 on the bounce, we are still second in the Championship ✅
  6. We are still points clear of Swansea, Reading and Bournemouth ✅
  7. And ahead of Watford on GD✅
  8. We are still 14 points clear of the pack chasing play off places ✅
  9. We still have the best goal difference in the league ✅
  10. We still have scored the most goals in the league ✅
  11. Ivan is still the leading Championship goal scorer ✅
  12. Ivan still has the most assists in the Championship ✅
  13. Roerslev haters - please do one. How pathetic have you got to be to slag off a 21 year old starting his first game of the season in a team lacking confidence ✅
  14. Raya haters - please also do one. I) He decided where he was going for the penalty and I’m sorry but the human arm wasn’t designed to bend backwards that way. II) He was no more at fault for the second goal than the static defence who weren’t alert to the high press ✅
  15. If you have actually sat and typed ‘the season is over’ ‘we aren’t a top 6 club’ or anything to that effect, I hope you’ve enjoyed following the Bees since 2014 ✅
  16. This still isn’t the time for pill popping. ✅
  17. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Sheffield Wednesday are getting smashed on Wednesday ✅
Agree with all of that except I think the defeat against Preston was worse
 

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Fair play to ya, but you know a few of those are turning to X by the end of the day, never mind mid week.
I am surprised you can count a defeat as a tick, factually correct but a tick is meant to be positive,
end of season lost too many games tick, lost in playoffs tick etc.
 

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Might just be the small fact that there is no money coming into the club. It might be a case of unable to invest.
There is the money from the not refunded STs/ corporate seats etc. If we get promoted this season there will be the extra income from being in the PL to cover the fact that there will be a lower income from the not refunded tickets.
The DoFs either decided that extra players were not required or could not find the required players at an appropriate price.
 

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There is the money from the not refunded STs/ corporate seats etc. If we get promoted this season there will be the extra income from being in the PL to cover the fact that there will be a lower income from the not refunded tickets.
The DoFs either decided that extra players were not required or could not find the required players at an appropriate price.
Key word in your post is “IF we get promoted”. 1-2 more signings would have improved our chances but not guaranteed it.
 

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