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That was a poor poor performance. Team selection wrong. Passing was non existent. No leadership. Like watching BRENTFORD of old. Rant over we must all regroup and go again.🐝🐝.
Brentford of old ? You clearly did not stand on the terraces in the 1970's, you have never walked out of Griffin Park after another home defeat to be faced with a "Bucket Collector"! Come on, get real, poor performance yes, but Brentford of Old definitely not.
 

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Brentford of old ? You clearly did not stand on the terraces in the 1970's, you have never walked out of Griffin Park after another home defeat to be faced with a "Bucket Collector"! Come on, get real, poor performance yes, but Brentford of Old definitely not.
Yep. Don’t you just miss the days of Leroy and also the season Swindon got fined for fielding an under strength side against us in the paint pot trophy and their grounds for appeal was that they won 4-0
 

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There is the money from the not refunded STs/ corporate seats etc. If we get promoted this season there will be the extra income from being in the PL to cover the fact that there will be a lower income from the not refunded tickets.
The DoFs either decided that extra players were not required or could not find the required players at an appropriate price.
Yes 90% revenue, can you tell me where the money comes from to pay the players bearing in my mind that no one has passed through the turnstiles for a year(apart from 4000 fans.) yes fans froze their s/t monies, but surely the club have to space the money out over the two seasons. Premier is an if not a certainty . Or should our owner be footing the bill for more players? Just asking.
 

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Yes 90% revenue, can you tell me where the money comes from to pay the players bearing in my mind that no one has passed through the turnstiles for a year(apart from 4000 fans.) yes fans froze their s/t monies, but surely the club have to space the money out over the two seasons. Premier is an if not a certainty . Or should our owner be footing the bill for more players? Just asking.
As has been said previously, the bulk of our income comes from our player trading model and TV money.

I’ve no doubt there was money available to spend had the right players been available at the right place.

The question is whether we’ve been too circumspect with regards to recruitment in January
 

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I’m literally laughing into my Saturday 4.30pm kitchen beer.
 

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Reading also getting done by Colin. This is awesome. Happy Saturday night drinks everyone!
 

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Bournemouth drawing with the Ras. They can’t beat them! Double awesome!
 

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Poor performance and slightly strange line up today, disapointing goals to concede. Maybe should have put the subs on at half time, and not when we losing 2 v 0. However, I would not be surprised to see us thump Sheff Wed in midweek and then the mood will all change.
 

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Amazing results for us today...... and Norwich obvs. Keep the faith and change the damp sheets ..... those of you who wet them.
 

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In my view it's not the players' fault - we all know that Jensen and Ghoddos is not a physical pairing in any way. They can’t do the tough stuff which when teams flood us and force the press we can’t cope.


Rico’s injury may force Frank to do something other than 4-3-3. We need more steel and/or numbers in midfield. we may also see Pinnock playing on the left of CD where he belongs

As others have said we’re missing some key ingredients of the spine and leadership of the team. This is hurting us as Ghoddos isn’t a midfielder but is being asked to play there and is doing his best. Mbuemo is so out of nick it’s so sad to see for him and for us.

we’re still in this. We need to get the spine back and then we go again.
 

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Never thought I'd ever say this but all done Terriers for sticking four past the Swines. Feel marginally better for that. Come on Rotherham there's time to stick one past the Narwitch.
We were forced (unintentional pun) to change far too many in our side and somewhat toothless up front without Toney. A very bad week at the office but it will all come right in the end esp. with Pontus and Christian on the mend and Marcondes as well. Just hoping Rico isn't out too long. Come on physios and COYB's. Don't despair after this temporary wobble.
 

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Another in a long list or recent games where our players are consistently second to every ball and the closing down is not there. Canos, Sorensen and Forss should not be near the starting 11, Fosu is the only player who can retain and win the ball in the final third.

Ghoddos coming off was crazy. Thomas should have picked the most experienced team he possibly could today coming off two defeats, why do we rotate so much when other teams don't?
Ghoddos was awful, clever free kick aside
 

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Some other results have gone our way. Which slightly ease’s the pain
get back to winning ways on wed evening !!
 

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Well today has shown that all teams can be beaten so top 2 is still possible if we can snap out of this slump next week and start stringing results together
 
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Here is your Saturday afternoon Fact Check courtesy of Untouchable:

Today’s Fact Check is brought to you by Tena Man. Why settle for just wetting the bed when you can piss yourself all day long too.

  1. We’ve lost 2-0 away from home ✅
  2. It was our worst performance of the season ✅
  3. A performance that bad should bring into sharp focus what we need to do to make the top 2 achievable ✅
  4. Context - In October 2020, if I had offered any Bees fan 1 defeat in 8 for the next 24 games, I’d have had my hand, arm and shoulder bitten off. ✅
  5. Despite losing 3 on the bounce, we are still second in the Championship ✅
  6. We are still points clear of Swansea, Reading and Bournemouth ✅
  7. And ahead of Watford on GD✅
  8. We are still 14 points clear of the pack chasing play off places ✅
  9. We still have the best goal difference in the league ✅
  10. We still have scored the most goals in the league ✅
  11. Ivan is still the leading Championship goal scorer ✅
  12. Ivan still has the most assists in the Championship ✅
  13. Roerslev haters - please do one. How pathetic have you got to be to slag off a 21 year old starting his first game of the season in a team lacking confidence ✅
  14. Raya haters - please also do one. I) He decided where he was going for the penalty and I’m sorry but the human arm wasn’t designed to bend backwards that way. II) He was no more at fault for the second goal than the static defence who weren’t alert to the high press ✅
  15. If you have actually sat and typed ‘the season is over’ ‘we aren’t a top 6 club’ or anything to that effect, I hope you’ve enjoyed following the Bees since 2014 ✅
  16. This still isn’t the time for pill popping. ✅
  17. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Sheffield Wednesday are getting smashed on Wednesday ✅
Here is your Saturday afternoon Fact Check addendum courtesy of Untouchable (it’s not as bas as it seems edition):

  1. Swansea were smashed 4-1 at Huddersfield ✅
  2. Reading lost 2-0 at home to Boro✅
  3. Bournemouth lost 2-1 at the Rara’s✅
  4. We are still second in the Championship✅
  5. Automatic promotion is well and truly still on✅
  6. There will be many more twists and turns before the season is over ✅
  7. The season is NOT over✅
  8. Keep the faith. COYB✅
 

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I guess somewhere between the observations of the so called “bedwetters” & the “rose tinted “ brigade lies the truth about this afternoons poor showing.
In my view, there can be no doubting the line up was wrong.When you have senior players unavailable you do not leave out those that are available. That said, TF could never have envisaged how poorly certain players would have performed . Those players given an opportunity , failed to do themselves justice as did the team as a whole.
Add to that the injury sustained to our only recognised left back (thank’s DOF’s) & we endured an afternoon to forget at the end of a week to forget !
Hopefully Rico’s hamstring tear is not a severe one and that Pontus, Christian ,Ivan ,Emiliano & Charlie are all back sooner rather than later .
One final point, If TF hasn’t worked out a way around an opposition that presses us high then he never will !
 

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In my view it's not the players' fault - we all know that Jensen and Ghoddos is not a physical pairing in any way. They can’t do the tough stuff which when teams flood us and force the press we can’t cope.


Rico’s injury may force Frank to do something other than 4-3-3. We need more steel and/or numbers in midfield. we may also see Pinnock playing on the left of CD where he belongs

As others have said we’re missing some key ingredients of the spine and leadership of the team. This is hurting us as Ghoddos isn’t a midfielder but is being asked to play there and is doing his best. Mbuemo is so out of nick it’s so sad to see for him and for us.

we’re still in this. We need to get the spine back and then we go again.
Well he isn't a winger either, so a 10, not a position we use much?
 

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Here is your Saturday afternoon Fact Check addendum courtesy of Untouchable (it’s not as bas as it seems edition):

  1. Swansea were smashed 4-1 at Huddersfield ✅
  2. Reading lost 2-0 at home to Boro✅
  3. Bournemouth lost 2-1 at the Rara’s✅
  4. We are still second in the Championship✅
  5. Automatic promotion is well and truly still on✅
  6. There will be many more twists and turns before the season is over ✅
  7. The season is NOT over✅
  8. Keep the faith. COYB✅
Four of the top six lose, that's football for you , I bet on Swansea Bournemouth and reading forums tonight they are all having similar posts to whats on here. Can't even hear the fat lady warming up yet.
 

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Glass half full. We have our best 11 fresh and ready for the Ply Offs, 25k allowed inside Wembley in May and we go up with Peter Gilham doing cartwheels on the hallowed turf.
First we don’t do play offs
Second there’s not even a snowballs chance of anything more than a very small attendance being allowed at Wembley and even that would surprise me.
 

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Might just be the small fact that there is no money coming into the club. It might be a case of unable to invest.
And loaning out Thompson? We have no left back now. We gambled with Maupay and Watkins not getting injured and made a fortune, those two seasons could have been disastrous, but it’s playing the odds, isn’t it. I’m sure that Matthew Benham knows the score.
 

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What concerns me is what we do now, midfield not working Josh injured?
No Toney or Henry (with no proper cover)
Over to you TF, I am pretty sure he won't start Roeslev and hope not Ghoddos unless Josh is out.
 

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I guess somewhere between the observations of the so called “bedwetters” & the “rose tinted “ brigade lies the truth about this afternoons poor showing.
In my view, there can be no doubting the line up was wrong.When you have senior players unavailable you do not leave out those that are available. That said, TF could never have envisaged how poorly certain players would have performed . Those players given an opportunity , failed to do themselves justice as did the team as a whole.
Add to that the injury sustained to our only recognised left back (thank’s DOF’s) & we endured an afternoon to forget at the end of a week to forget !
Hopefully Rico’s hamstring tear is not a severe one and that Pontus, Christian ,Ivan ,Emiliano & Charlie are all back sooner rather than later .
One final point, If TF hasn’t worked out a way around an opposition that presses us high then he never will !
Can’t need a lot of working out can it? I saw 4 Coventry players pressing us when we had the ball. This leaves them short further down the pitch, surely there is enough savvy in the club to work out a way to play round this too pedestrian at the back need to sharpen up and move the ball more quickly.
 

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Can’t need a lot of working out can it? I saw 4 Coventry players pressing us when we had the ball. This leaves them short further down the pitch, surely there is enough savvy in the club to work out a way to play round this too pedestrian at the back need to sharpen up and move the ball more quickly.
That works if the attacking players can hold the ball up...
 

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And loaning out Thompson? We have no left back now. We gambled with Maupay and Watkins not getting injured and made a fortune, those two seasons could have been disastrous, but it’s playing the odds, isn’t it. I’m sure that Matthew Benham knows the score.
I take it we cannot recall Thompson?
 

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That works if the attacking players can hold the ball up...
But you have to learn and play and use it to your advantage. While we are being pressed you can see our players just not having any idea and lacking confidence.
 

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BRENTFORD of old. I meant an awful away performance. And we have all contributed to the bucket collections of old.🐝
 

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But you have to learn and play and use it to your advantage. While we are being pressed you can see our players just not having any idea and lacking confidence.
I set up a thread about this earlier, WWB. The players managed to deal with the high press plenty of times in the long, unbeaten run. I think the key words in your post are 'lacking confidence' which is most certainly true. They all want extra time on the ball at the moment and are hesitant. You can't beat a press if you're static and standing still. The coaches really need to work on the basics, instill a bit of belief again and make us hard to beat. Hopefully today's other results will give them a bit of a lift. It's incredible how confidence has drained so quickly in less than a week.
 

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I take it we cannot recall Thompson?
I don’t think so, no. My main point was in reply to a poster saying the finances may be stretched because of the lack of match day income. It could be true, and moreover the Championship is by no means a level playing field. We are more fortunate than most but it’s not a bottomless pit. If it was, we were playing in it today!!
 

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Can you imagine Sir Alex not being anything being incandescent with rage if his team had been so inept and lost 3 on three on the trot? From the views of many on here though we are not too far short of complacent
 

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But you have to learn and play and use it to your advantage. While we are being pressed you can see our players just not having any idea and lacking confidence.
Teams have been using the high press against us for the last 2 or 3 seasons, you make it sound like Barnsley were the first team to have stumbled across some magic formula. We have been playing, through, around and over it all season. We currently have injuries, look fatigued and that looks like its now turning into a crisis of confidence, that to my mind is the current problem.
 

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Teams have been using the high press against us for the last 2 or 3 seasons, you make it sound like Barnsley were the first team to have stumbled across some magic formula. We have been playing, through, around and over it all season. We currently have injuries, look fatigued and that looks like its now turning into a crisis of confidence, that to my mind is the current problem.
II appreciate teams press high up on us over the seasons. But as you say it has never bothered us before , but its basically the same back line, and we looked short of ideas just lately in how to overcome it. Confidence is low but it needs to be overcome.
 

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Let’s be fair. It was crap. I couldn’t find any positives out of it. Today we were knackered, short on confidence and ideas, with lots of players carrying knocks. JDS is not fit so we can only use him sparingly. Rico’s injury news was the cherry on a cake made of turd.

Let’s try and sneak a win Wednesday and get our injured parties back for Stoke.
 

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Watching that performance I think there were a number of factors. Losing the spine of the team was always going to catch up with us at some point however we have performed very well over the last few months (this last week apart) without them. Toney was always going to be a huge loss and unfortunately Forss is a different sort of player to Toney with the former liking to run the channels and behind the last defender. The last 3 defeats have come from sides who have pressed us extremely high up the pitch combined with a fair few players not being at the races performance wise, this was always going to happen what with a game every 3-4 days. I agree today was shocking with Roerslev having a very poor performance as others mentioned (considering the high levels he has shown in most games he has played). MBS has come on leaps and bounds this season but i think playing him is causing Pinnock to not play to his usual high standards what with playing on the right. TF should have started Reid and with MBS/Pinnock to keep the balance. I don’t think JDS or Fosu deserved to be rotated and we should have started our strongest side. We can only hope that Henry/Toney’s injuries aren’t too serious. The players were always going to have a bad spell but they need to regroup, and go again midweek.
 

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Like most I was surprised when I saw the team, like most I still thought it had enough.

it didn’t and it was a bad mistake.

Swansea have given us a lift, we need to put the best 11 and get some more points on the board before we start messing about.
 

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I’ve not seen the highlights but there were a few goal line clearance by Coventry before the penalty if I remember correctly
 

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There's no doubt that any team can beat any team in the Championship and that's what makes it such an interesting and exciting league, unlike the premiereship, but having said that, let's get promotion and show those overinflated egos that that isn' necessarily the case. I'm still confident that we will get that opportunity.
 

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We've been pressed in previous seasons and beat it well. However with this season and 5 subs teams can go hell for leather and make subs and go again. It makes a big difference. Look at Barnsley, they are making 3 subs before the hour mark allowing them to press aggressively for 90mins.
 

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