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You can expand on that if you wish. I feel football matches are being unfairly singled out. You're advocating introducing treatments for Covid that are normally used on horses.
I think I am right, you think you are right, We agreed to differ remember? So why not just keep off each other's posts?
 

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I think I am right, you think you are right, We agreed to differ remember? So why not just keep off each other's posts?
You quoted me. Listen, nothing wrong with having a different viewpoint but don’t expect not to get challenged. That’s what this message board is all about. 👍
 

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I respect your point of view. My view is that I would rather trust my immune system and catch covid and therefore build natural immunity

So just stay at home and leave the rest of us to get on with our lives after being vaccinated.

The virologist expert quoted above says that “Outside of lockdown, the single best measure we can implement to reduce virus spread is vaccination. Vaccination reduces the risk of infection by half to two thirds and also slightly reduces the likelihood of onward transmission, meaning that roughly three out of every four onward transmissions are prevented if everyone in a given scenario is vaccinated."

That means that if you attend Brentford you are making a deliberate and calculated decision to heighten the risk of other fans catching COVID.

I‘m unclear why you think that potentially exposing others to a serious illness when the science shows that the risk can be mitigated is something you wish to do to other Bees fans. Also - what do you think would be the appropriate reaction you should receive if you announced to fans sitting next to you that you don’t give a f*** about their health or wellbeing?
 

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You quoted me. Listen, nothing wrong with having a different viewpoint but don’t expect not to get challenged. That’s what this message board is all about. 👍
I was re-quoting you quoting me! 😂 But fair enough. Let's not fall out. Peace, love and up the Bees. :sorted:
 

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So just stay at home and leave the rest of us to get on with our lives after being vaccinated.

The virologist expert quoted above says that “Outside of lockdown, the single best measure we can implement to reduce virus spread is vaccination. Vaccination reduces the risk of infection by half to two thirds and also slightly reduces the likelihood of onward transmission, meaning that roughly three out of every four onward transmissions are prevented if everyone in a given scenario is vaccinated."

That means that if you attend Brentford you are making a deliberate and calculated decision to heighten the risk of other fans catching COVID.

I‘m unclear why you think that potentially exposing others to a serious illness when the science shows that the risk can be mitigated is something you wish to do to other Bees fans. Also - what do you think would be the appropriate reaction you should receive if you announced to fans sitting next to you that you don’t give a f*** about their health or wellbeing?
Why should he stay at home,he has as much right to go to brentford as you do.reading his posts he said he didnt want the jab due to side effects,same as me.i am all for others having the vaccine if they want it as it can stop you becoming really ill if you get it but it should always be personal choice.Far better to take a test before a game to make sure you are ok than just relying on a vaccine passport as you wont know if you have it at the time.
 

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Why should he stay at home,he has as much right to go to brentford as you do.reading his posts he said he didnt want the jab due to side effects,same as me.i am all for others having the vaccine if they want it as it can stop you becoming really ill if you get it but it should always be personal choice.Far better to take a test before a game to make sure you are ok than just relying on a vaccine passport as you wont know if you have it at the time.

‘He has as much right to go to brentford as you do’ - thankfully, it looks like a science-based decision will rule that out. No vaccination, no entry apparently.

Taking the vaccine is indeed a personal choice - something I disagree with. If that was the case in the 50s we’d still have polio and smallpox in the UK. But I don’t think one person’s personal choice should impact on the health of others, as refusing to take the Covid jab does according to the scientists. On that basis, I’m happy for the absolute tiny minority of people who don’t do science to get the hell out of the way of the rest of us who want to get back to normality ASAP. If that means them prevented from watching Brentford, well - oh dear, never mind, carry on.
 

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They can check me as many times as they want.

I'm double jabbed and have the NHS app.

I was just throwing scenarios out there, how it works in practice.

I expect it will be completely random and if you get asked every match you might go out and buy a lottery ticket while you are at it.

There is no real way of a person remembering or knowing who was tested last week unless they have a photographic memory.

I am with you, it's on my app/wallet/screenshot and takes less time to show someone then it does to buy a pint or a snickers in the stadium.

This time last year I wasn't allowed near a football ground and if I knew flashing my phone 2-3 times a season would have allowed me in I would have taken it.

However, I also agree with Rebus above, why only football?....again?
 

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‘He has as much right to go to brentford as you do’ - thankfully, it looks like a science-based decision will rule that out. No vaccination, no entry apparently.

Taking the vaccine is indeed a personal choice - something I disagree with. If that was the case in the 50s we’d still have polio and smallpox in the UK. But I don’t think one person’s personal choice should impact on the health of others, as refusing to take the Covid jab does according to the scientists. On that basis, I’m happy for the absolute tiny minority of people who don’t do science to get the hell out of the way of the rest of us who want to get back to normality ASAP. If that means them prevented from watching Brentford, well - oh dear, never mind, carry on.
You disagree with personal choice... cool.

Why are you even considering going to the football if you think theres a chance of catching or spreading serious illness?
 

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I’m happy for the absolute tiny minority of people who don’t do science to get the hell out of the way of the rest of us who want to get back to normality ASAP. If that means them prevented from watching Brentford, well - oh dear, never mind, carry on.
Quite right. I know a lot of people who have tested positive in the last two weeks. Eight in fact and, apart from one 11 year old, the rest were double-jabbed adults. Some suffered more than others but my daughter, who is 33 weeks pregnant with twins, was pretty ill. I don't want to be near self-indulgent non-vaxxers at BCS or anywhere else. I have been double-jabbed since early April and was sheltering as clinically vulnerable prior to that so the thought of catching this is still a risk for me. The vaccine is the only answer in my opinion and I find the attitudes of some on this thread wholly incomprehensible.
 

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I hate needles they make me go wobbly at the knees. Got my 1st invite on Wednesday afternoon, was jabbed 1st thing the Friday morning after. 2nd jab took the first available slot.

Not a good enough excuse in my opinion, sometimes you just have to be brave for the greater good. 💉 😳
Toughen up, my Daughter has been injected 4 times a day for 46 years starting at 14 months old.
 

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Quite right. I know a lot of people who have tested positive in the last two weeks. Eight in fact and, apart from one 11 year old, the rest were double-jabbed adults. Some suffered more than others but my daughter, who is 33 weeks pregnant with twins, was pretty ill. I don't want to be near self-indulgent non-vaxxers at BCS or anywhere else. I have been double-jabbed since early April and was sheltering as clinically vulnerable prior to that so the thought of catching this is still a risk for me. The vaccine is the only answer in my opinion and I find the attitudes of some on this thread wholly incomprehensible.
Hold on. Wait. What?

'Eight double jabbed adults who tested positive.'

Why are we having a go at people who are declining getting the vaccine?

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!!!
 

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Quite right. I know a lot of people who have tested positive in the last two weeks. Eight in fact and, apart from one 11 year old, the rest were double-jabbed adults. Some suffered more than others but my daughter, who is 33 weeks pregnant with twins, was pretty ill. I don't want to be near self-indulgent non-vaxxers at BCS or anywhere else. I have been double-jabbed since early April and was sheltering as clinically vulnerable prior to that so the thought of catching this is still a risk for me. The vaccine is the only answer in my opinion and I find the attitudes of some on this thread wholly incomprehensible.
Just for clarity, you don't want to be sat next to someone who is not jabbed in case they give you covid, but everyone you know who's got it recently is double jabbed?
And for more clarity, you're agreeing with Silly Hat who's quoted science says "jabs will cut down risk of infection by 2/3s, but make little difference to transmission"?
 

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Hold on. Wait. What?

'Eight double jabbed adults who tested positive.'

Why are we having a go at people who are declining getting the vaccine?

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!!!
"making it make sense" is beyond some people.
 

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You disagree with personal choice... cool.

People don’t have personal choice on issues every single day of their lives. Hopefully you support the inoculation of children against measles, or the use of seatbelts, or no smoking on trains and buses.

I go to football because I’ve been double-jabbed and I believe most other fans are responsible adults who have done likewise. The scientists whose entire professional lives and training gives them more credibility in my eyes than, say, some rando anti-vax clown, say that being vaccinated reduces the risk of infection by half to two thirds, meaning that roughly three out of every four onward transmissions are prevented if everyone is vaccinated. I’m happy with that science-based risk. What I’m not happy with is other people wanting to increase the risk to me and others ‘because’.

Anyway, I don’t make the rules. The Government does. And if they proceed as reported then it looks like I won’t have to worry about selfish people raising the risk of COVID for others, ‘cos they’ll be banned from attending the BCS.

So sad.
 

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‘He has as much right to go to brentford as you do’ - thankfully, it looks like a science-based decision will rule that out. No vaccination, no entry apparently.

Taking the vaccine is indeed a personal choice - something I disagree with. If that was the case in the 50s we’d still have polio and smallpox in the UK. But I don’t think one person’s personal choice should impact on the health of others, as refusing to take the Covid jab does according to the scientists. On that basis, I’m happy for the absolute tiny minority of people who don’t do science to get the hell out of the way of the rest of us who want to get back to normality ASAP. If that means them prevented from watching Brentford, well - oh dear, never mind, carry on.
It wont happen, Thankfully the vaccine passport scheme has been scrapped. And thankfully you are not in government or we would need vaccine passports to get into asda costa and the express tavern and be placed under house arrest until double jabbed.
 

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....ah well...the good news for us BFC members/vaxxers.....more tickets....possibly even STs.... available for BCS....when the banning orders start in November.....but I'm with Rebus....has to happen at Twickenham too.....and Cheltenham(but let's not go there eh)
 

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Hold on. Wait. What?

'Eight double jabbed adults who tested positive.'

Why are we having a go at people who are declining getting the vaccine?

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!!!
Because, and try to concentrate here, if they had not been double-jabbed and this had happened a year ago they would have been in real trouble. It was because of the vaccine that their symptoms were manageable. It is still dangerous, I know one lady who has been in hospital seriously ill with covid despite being fully vaccinated. If we had followed your logic and just waited for herd immunity we would be looking at how many deaths so far?
 

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Hold on. Wait. What?

'Eight double jabbed adults who tested positive.'

Why are we having a go at people who are declining getting the vaccine?

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!!!
It makes sense ( struggles to avoid being insulting) because presumably thank God or providence the 8 people are still alive and not hospitalised.
 

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It wont happen, Thankfully the vaccine passport scheme has been scrapped. And thankfully you are not in government or we would need vaccine passports to get into asda costa and the express tavern and be placed under house arrest until double jabbed.

You might need it for matches though mate
 

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The more people that remain unvaccinated the more likely it is that vaccine passports will be introduced. And the more likely it will be that crowd numbers will be restricted again.

Indeed. Might be worth sketching this out with crayon on thick paper to enable a broader understanding amongst some on the GPG.
 

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It wont happen, Thankfully the vaccine passport scheme has been scrapped. And thankfully you are not in government or we would need vaccine passports to get into asda costa and the express tavern and be placed under house arrest until double jabbed.

An interesting response. Does your local Asda or Costa hold, say, 20,000 people who stay in more or less the same place for 2 hours at a time whilst shouting and singing? If so, pls PM me the location as that sounds unusual.

Anyway, as I’ve said I don’t make the rules. But it does look like you won’t be seeing any more games for the near future if the reported restrictions are put in place.

Intriguing that the anti-vaxxers have swerved answering the basic question as to why they don’t give a f*** about other people’s health. Who’d have thunk it?
 

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Why should he stay at home,he has as much right to go to brentford as you do.reading his posts he said he didnt want the jab due to side effects,same as me.i am all for others having the vaccine if they want it as it can stop you becoming really ill if you get it but it should always be personal choice.Far better to take a test before a game to make sure you are ok than just relying on a vaccine passport as you wont know if you have it at the time.
Out of all the posts on here this one takes the biscuit. You’re all for every other F***** having the jab! Yeah, cos it makes it far less likely for you to catch it!
My faith in anti vaxers having the social conscience to take a test before going to a game is somewhat limited. Side effects!
The possible side effect of catching the bastard is death!
 

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Out of all the posts on here this one takes the biscuit. You’re all for every other F***** having the jab! Yeah, cos it makes it far less likely for you to catch it!
My faith in anti vaxers having the social conscience to take a test before going to a game is somewhat limited. Side effects!
The possible side effect of catching the bastard is death!
 

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I see your one and raise you 4500000 give or take a few at the last count.

Apologies for marking your homework, but the correct figure is 48,700,000 (number of first and second vaccinations now given) 🥸

Which makes the anti-vaxxer trolling look even more absurd.
 

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An interesting response. Does your local Asda or Costa hold, say, 20,000 people who stay in more or less the same place for 2 hours at a time whilst shouting and singing? If so, pls PM me the location as that sounds unusual.

Anyway, as I’ve said I don’t make the rules. But it does look like you won’t be seeing any more games for the near future if the reported restrictions are put in place.

Intriguing that the anti-vaxxers have swerved answering the basic question as to why they don’t give a f*** about other people’s health. Who’d have thunk it?
i am not anti vax,everyone who wants the jab should be allowed to get it.
 

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Apologies for marking your homework, but the correct figure is 48,700,000 (number of first and second vaccinations now given) 🥸

Which makes the anti-vaxxer trolling look even more absurd.
Mine was the worldwide deaths I’m afraid.
How many would have been saved if a vaccine had been available.
 

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i am not anti vax,everyone who wants the jab should be allowed to get it.
There you go again. How very magnanimous of you to allow us all to get it.
Only problem is that’s only part of the principle behind vaccination. The true benefit is when everyone is vaccinated = No Covid ( eventually)
 

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There you go again. How very magnanimous of you to allow us all to get it.
Only problem is that’s only part of the principle behind vaccination. The true benefit is when everyone is vaccinated = No Covid ( eventually)
Not everyone can get vaccinated, allergies, side effects etc.Yes its a free country still. if you want it get it. if you dont want it then dont.once you start trying to force something on people then that's wrong in my book.
 

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Not everyone can get vaccinated, allergies, side effects etc.Yes its a free country still. if you want it get it. if you dont want it then dont.once you start trying to force something on people then that's wrong in my book.

You know when you’re on a plane and the crew [checks notes] make you do your seatbelt up for take off for your own safety, do you see that as wrong as it’s forcing something on people? Do you stand up and refuse to do it in defence of your freedom? How about car seat belts? Do you disagree with them being mandatory?

Do you have childhood? If so, when your child was 8 weeks old did you object to them getting the diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, polio and hepatitis B in one-shot jab? If so, would you prefer that your kid got polio rather than have their individual rights infringed upon?

Sorry for all the questions - I’m just trying to bottom out how cray-cray you are, that’s all.
 

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Not everyone can get vaccinated, allergies, side effects etc.Yes its a free country still. if you want it get it. if you dont want it then dont.once you start trying to force something on people then that's wrong in my book.
This is correct, I've just had a talk from a Professor of Microbiology at the University I work at saying the same thing.

Encourage as much as you can, but you can't mandate as you will get a far worse take up.
 

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i always thought that junkies liked having jabs.LOL
I can tell you there are a fair few having their lives saved because they couldn’t be bothered to get the right jab. My wife’s dealing with some right nutters now despite there being fewer intake.
 

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Sorry to go off subject, but in which stand were you able to buy a snickers. :hat:

They didn't have any but I tried. I said you have confectionery on the price list up there but I can't see any, what do you have. Oh, we have a bag of crisps. Right, so why not say crisps then? And for 2 quid plus you can keep them.
 

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Not everyone can get vaccinated, allergies, side effects etc.Yes its a free country still. if you want it get it. if you dont want it then dont.once you start trying to force something on people then that's wrong in my book.

Nobody is being forced to and if there is a valid exception I am sure they can get a dr's note. However being scared of science is daft, this is unprecedented, you either get the cure or you don't and if you don't you need to stay away from those that have IMO. It is our personal choice as vaccinated people not to share a football ground, a pub or a train with peopole who are a risk.
 

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Nobody is being forced to and if there is a valid exception I am sure they can get a dr's note. However being scared of science is daft, this is unprecedented, you either get the cure or you don't and if you don't you need to stay away from those that have IMO. It is our personal choice as vaccinated people not to share a football ground, a pub or a train with peopole who are a risk.
Fortunately for me you dont get to make that decision
 

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Guess in the free world we currently enjoy everyone has the right to decide whether or not to have a COVID vaccination. The problem arises where those who for whatever reason decide not to take the vaccination then mix freely with others who feel the vaccination is a necessary part of the planets survival.

I have absolutely no scientific knowledge but was extremely grateful my parents ensured I was vaccinated against polio and smallpox etc when I was a child and equally pleased that I ensured my kids had the MMR vaccinations when they were youngsters.

If ultimately it becomes a requirement to produce a COVID passport for entry into Premier League games then the arguments on here from both sides of the divide become moot as without the passport entry will be prohibited.

For those not wishing to have the vaccination then that is their personal decision and should be respected however if, as it would seem, that the chances of contacting the virus are higher without taking it then it presents a moral decision for the non vaccinated as potentially they could be putting others at greater risk. Yes vaccination does not preclude catching the virus however it does reduce the risk and whilst the non vaccinated immune systems may well cope there is a greater chance of passing it on.

Neither side of this debate will agree and there is unlikely to be any common ground to be found both sides are adamant they are correct and nothing said on here is likely to change the opinions,
 

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Fortunately for me you dont get to make that decision
But unfortunately for you HM Government will almost certainly make life increasingly difficult for you. The PL will stop you from attending games and although there will probably only be spot checks you will be breaking the regulations if found not to have proof of vaccine status and I cannot imagine that there won’t be repercussions.
International travel will become very limited for you and entrance to many events at home will also probably be.
Have fun!
 

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But unfortunately for you HM Government will almost certainly make life increasingly difficult for you. The PL will stop you from attending games and although there will probably only be spot checks you will be breaking the regulations if found not to have proof of vaccine status and I cannot imagine that there won’t be repercussions.
International travel will become very limited for you and entrance to many events at home will also probably be.
Have fun!
I've not seen any official communication which states that it won't be vaccine status or negative test result.

I think you are all getting worked up for nothing
 

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Those not getting vaccinated and trying to justify it seem never to use the phrase "other people" when it comes to effects, positive or negative – the concept of greater good never gets a mention. If you've decided you're not going to take the medicine, then it's extremely easy then to find loads of validations for your decision... a few even have the hint of facts associated with them if you look hard enough.
 

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Unless plan B splutters into life i can see the Premier League probably having to backdown on the vaccine passport. They've effectively had the legs kicked out from under them by the Governments uturn. Not something I agree with personally and can only assume that they realised they weren't following the science.
 

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Unless plan B splutters into life i can see the Premier League probably having to backdown on the vaccine passport. They've effectively had the legs kicked out from under them by the Governments uturn. Not something I agree with personally and can only assume that they realised they weren't following the science.
Er....the Government has said it will go ahead with Vaccine Passports for large sporting events. So far from kicking their legs out from under the PL, the government has constructed them a very nice chair.
 
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