Covid and the future of games

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Hobbsy, I really hope you are right, but I don't think there is even a remote chance of 50% capacity attendances given the likely extension to mid/ late July at best of removing most restrictions. Those of a more cautious mind hold sway on this and they will not change their minds easily, regardless of the evidence or lack of it. A few months ago I said we will not have full stadiums until the 2022/23 season and I still expect that to be the case. I am a pessimist on this though, but so far things are going pretty much the way of the pessimist.

I didn't renew my ST as I strongly suspected that there would be little or no attendances next season......like i did this last season.
Let's see what happens, but maybe it's time for a lot of people to start waking up to 'story' they're being fed. If you care about watching footy...or your income....or access to proper care...why not dip your toe into the alternative message about the direction we're going. Otherwise; carry on as normal and enjoy.

but there will be crowds , who has suggested their wont be. ?
 

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The bit I don't get is 21st June was supposed to be the end of all legal limits on social contacts. I know the date is being pushed back, but let's assume it's 19th July (4 week delay) and that goes ahead, why does this not mean full capacity at stadiums from the start of the season? Surely removing legal limits means exactly that? I feel I must be missing something.
 

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but there will be crowds , who has suggested their wont be. ?
Yes I agree, there will be crowds (I hope). A good question, who has suggested there won't be? You referenced my post, so I assume (never a good thing to do) that you think I have. If you see my post, I have said I don't see 50% attendances, I would expect around 25% crowds for most of the season. I also said I cannot see full stadiums before 2022/23. I still don't. but I have never said there will be no crowds. By the way, this is just my opinion, I have no inside knowledge and would love contrary opinions with some reasons why so that I can change from a pessimist to an optimist.
 

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Yes I agree, there will be crowds (I hope). A good question, who has suggested there won't be? You referenced my post, so I assume (never a good thing to do) that you think I have. If you see my post, I have said I don't see 50% attendances, I would expect around 25% crowds for most of the season. I also said I cannot see full stadiums before 2022/23. I still don't. but I have never said there will be no crowds. By the way, this is just my opinion, I have no inside knowledge and would love contrary opinions with some reasons why so that I can change from a pessimist to an optimist.

Not many are dying and most people will be vaccinated by the start of the season.

If we cant go to away games when restrictions are lifted next month then whats the point of it all.
 

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I would hope for at least 50% by August. Maybe no away supporters but hey ho. I can see them trying to stick to 25% but if the vast majority are vaccinated, what's the point. Really can't face a season in the Prem when I can't get to at least 10 to a dozen games minimum.
 

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That could potentially happen yes. I don't know but I'd be surprised if we are still limited to 4k come August.

Hopefully 50% Capacity at least
Just one more question on this.
Have BIAS "agreed" with BFC plans regarding how tickets will be allocated IF restrictions dictate that there are less tickets available than there are ST holders?
i.e. It will be done on TAPs rotation, with the first in line those who were eligible for the Reading game/unable to attend Blackburn/Derby games.
If not, what will BIAS be proposing?
 

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Just one more question on this.
Have BIAS "agreed" with BFC plans regarding how tickets will be allocated IF restrictions dictate that there are less tickets available than there are ST holders?
i.e. It will be done on TAPs rotation, with the first in line those who were eligible for the Reading game/unable to attend Blackburn/Derby games.
If not, what will BIAS be proposing?
Discussions are ongoing. We are due to meet with Jon Varney in the next couple of weeks.
 

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Discussions are ongoing. We are due to meet with Jon Varney in the next couple of weeks.
Thank you.
I guess those discussions will be very much based on BoJo's announcement later.............
 

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Thank you.
I guess those discussions will be very much based on BoJo's announcement later.............

If this afternoon’s announcement says what we expect it to then any conversations between the club and BIAS over the next couple of weeks will either be placeholders or have to plan against lots of different eventualities I’d of thought.

More likely to be mid July before more clarity is provided.
 

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Could also depend on the data from the Wembley Euro knockout games - should be 50% capacity hopefully so will be a useful test ahead of next season

 

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Thank you.
I guess those discussions will be very much based on BoJo's announcement later.............
Not specifically, we plan for all possibilities.
 

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If this afternoon’s announcement says what we expect it to then any conversations between the club and BIAS over the next couple of weeks will either be placeholders or have to plan against lots of different eventualities I’d of thought.

More likely to be mid July before more clarity is provided.
Not specifically, we plan for all possibilities.
Bearing in mind the fact that we could have our first home game on 14th August, I would expect (hope) that all permutations will be agreed in plenty of time to be communicated to those concerned early enough for people to be able to make plans. i.e:

  • 100% capacity, with away fans = All ST holders will be able to attend all games.
  • 50% capacity, with home fans only = 8,500 ST holders will be able to attend games on a rotational basis. (Approximately every other home game). Rotation will be based on TAPs. (First home game will be available to those who who were eligible for the Reading game/unable to attend Blackburn/Derby games).
  • 25% capacity, with home fans only = 4,250 ST holders will be able to attend games on a rotational basis. (Approximately every 4th home game). Rotation will be based on TAPs. (First home game will be available to those who who were eligible for the Reading game/unable to attend Blackburn/Derby games).
 

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Bearing in mind the fact that we could have our first home game on 14th August, I would expect (hope) that all permutations will be agreed in plenty of time to be communicated to those concerned early enough for people to be able to make plans. i.e:

  • 100% capacity, with away fans = All ST holders will be able to attend all games.
  • 50% capacity, with home fans only = 8,500 ST holders will be able to attend games on a rotational basis. (Approximately every other home game). Rotation will be based on TAPs. (First home game will be available to those who who were eligible for the Reading game/unable to attend Blackburn/Derby games).
  • 25% capacity, with home fans only = 4,250 ST holders will be able to attend games on a rotational basis. (Approximately every 4th home game). Rotation will be based on TAPs. (First home game will be available to those who who were eligible for the Reading game/unable to attend Blackburn/Derby games).

Yes of course, but you don't need specific capacities we can either fit all our season ticket holders in or we can't.
 

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Yes of course, but you don't need specific capacities we can either fit all our season ticket holders in or we can't.
Agreed.
I'm just suggesting a degree of "managing expectations" might be useful.......
I.e. How many games people might see under each scenario, and when they might get to see them.....
 

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Agreed.
I'm just suggesting a degree of "managing expectations" might be useful.......
I.e. How many games people might see under each scenario, and when they might get to see them.....

Unfortunately it's not that simple, as social distancing and households / rule of six come into play. So the capacity isn't known until you've gone on sale.

Also the safety cert may not allow higher capacities if social distancing is required.
 

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Unfortunately it's not that simple, as social distancing and households / rule of six come into play. So the capacity isn't known until you've gone on sale.

Also the safety cert may not allow higher capacities if social distancing is required.
OK I see, thank you.
Still think it might be worth confirming that IF needed, TAPs will be used.
As you mentioned, you don't necessarily need full details, but the principle behind the 'order' of allocation could be decided (now), and communicated, no matter what..............
 

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If all restrictions are lifted in 4 weeks time what's the big deal stadium totally open surely ?
 

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If all restrictions are lifted in 4 weeks time what's the big deal stadium totally open surely ?
Only if the safety advisory group say so.
 

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Unfortunately it's not that simple, as social distancing and households / rule of six come into play. So the capacity isn't known until you've gone on sale.

Also the safety cert may not allow higher capacities if social distancing is required.

Personal question, as a Dug Out Season Ticket holder , when we return to a decent level of fans allowed in. Will l the cordoned off area around the actual team areas be open to ticket holders or left for team and staff
 

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Personal question, as a Dug Out Season Ticket holder , when we return to a decent level of fans allowed in. Will l the cordoned off area around the actual team areas be open to ticket holders or left for team and staff
If there are any COVID restrictions then it is almost certain the dugout area will remain closed.
 

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Please keep this thread related to attending football matches. Use the main Covid thread for anything else
 

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The game I was due to be on tomorrow afternoon had their tests before travelling down today.

Most of the squad tested positive. Game off. Gutted but it was only to be expected given the last 48 hours or so.. seeing the graphs tonight was frightening.

Hard to see us starting next season 'normally' to be honest.
 

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With reduced capacities looking likely for the foreseeable future, sadly and 11k of season ticket holders, how do we envisage those being a member (club announcing new membership scheme) getting any opportunity at grabbing a ticket, above those who are ST holders ?
I think I know the answer in all honesty !
Just seriously peeved with all this. We get to the promised land after all this time and we can't go ! ..... watching us on the box dont wash with me. Chalk and cheese
 

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With reduced capacities looking likely for the foreseeable future, sadly and 11k of season ticket holders, how do we envisage those being a member (club announcing new membership scheme) getting any opportunity at grabbing a ticket, above those who are ST holders ?
I think I know the answer in all honesty !
Just seriously peeved with all this. We get to the promised land after all this time and we can't go ! ..... watching us on the box dont wash with me. Chalk and cheese
....you're in the same boat as me my friend.....we both need to pray to whoever that full capacity next season becomes the reality.....until it does.....i think you can answer your own question.
 

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....you're in the same boat as me my friend.....we both need to pray to whoever that full capacity next season becomes the reality.....until it does.....i think you can answer your own question.
Yep ! .... it will be flu season and winter soon ... forgive me for spouting off about all this. Just truly gutted.
 

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Yep ! .... it will be flu season and winter soon ... forgive me for spouting off about all this. Just truly gutted.
....trust me...i know how you feel....but truth is.....with regards to this matter.....we are deemed lepers on here.
 

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....trust me...i know how you feel....but truth is.....with regards to this matter.....we are deemed lepers on here.
by whom exactly? Please don't generalise.
 

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And whilst on this subject .... we play Burnley at home in week 1 and then Man City at home in week 3. How do club decide who gets 1st dibs for the game everyone wants to see, as opposed to the less attractive opposition.
 

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And whilst on this subject .... we play Burnley at home in week 1 and then Man City at home in week 3. How do club decide who gets 1st dibs for the game everyone wants to see, as opposed to the less attractive opposition.
Simple, those who were due to go to Reading get Burnley :fishing:
 

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Simple, those who were due to go to Reading get Burnley :fishing:
Unless they decide they are "unable" to take up the offer of the ticket.....in which case they get Man City......😁 :fishing:
 

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If they can have full crowds at Wimbledon in July, football stadiums in mid-August should be very straightforward.
Wimbledon = Another 'pilot event'........
 

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In all seriousness, any reduced capacity game with fewer than 11,000, in the ground is going to be Season Ticket holders only. Well certainly in the GA areas....
 

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And whilst on this subject .... we play Burnley at home in week 1 and then Man City at home in week 3. How do club decide who gets 1st dibs for the game everyone wants to see, as opposed to the less attractive opposition.
Tickets for games against: Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs will be done on a ballot of ST holders.

@hanworthbee will be livid.
:fishing:
 

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The bit I don't get is 21st June was supposed to be the end of all legal limits on social contacts. I know the date is being pushed back, but let's assume it's 19th July (4 week delay) and that goes ahead, why does this not mean full capacity at stadiums from the start of the season? Surely removing legal limits means exactly that? I feel I must be missing something.

Legal limits on social distancing doesn't mean the end to managing capacities; it's about managing the amount of people in one place at the same time to assess the effects. For example even if the 21st June went ahead, the Euro's semi and finals wouldn't have had a full house; they were aiming for half full or 60000 depending on the statistics but 60k was always unlikely.

The male and female Wimbledon finals will have a full capacity and the latter stages of the Euro's 50%. With the dates of those pilot events and the time it'll take to assess them I don't see full stadiums by 14th August.

The best we can hope for in my opinion as things stand is 50% with no away fans. Then the next test will be Autumn/Winter; my theory is those months will be carefully managed and assessed as they'll be potentially higher risk months than even now but this year we'll have the vaccine programme compared to last Autumn so hopefully that helps.

Personally without being negative my hope for full stadiums with away fans has always been March 2022; I don't think it'll be much earlier than that.
 

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Personally without being negative my hope for full stadiums with away fans has always been March 2022; I don't think it'll be much earlier than that.

Bonkers. Absolutely bonkers.

If it takes anywhere near that long for football to get back to normal I will emigrate.
 

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Bonkers. Absolutely bonkers.

If it takes anywhere near that long for football to get back to normal I will emigrate.

Sorry just my opinion don't leave yet lol, but I don't see it being too far out. I think they'll want a proporation of the Autumn/Winter to assess the cases; hospital admissions and how the vaccine programme is working on those. Building up the capacity at large scale events carefully will be part of that as will likely be opening up full oversea's travel etc. I don't see us going from where we are now to full capacity overnight.
 

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I don't understand the negativity about stadium capacities. To my mind if we reach step 4 on 19th July then surely we are looking at no restrictions on capacities at sports venues.

My understanding is that step 4 will see no restrictions on theatre audiences, pop concerts, pubs, restaurants etc all removed, not sure why football stadiums/crowds would be singled out, unless there's a separate agenda in play.

Edit: I've just checked Govt guidelines for step 4 and it says all restrictions on people gathering will be lifted, nightclubs reopen and large events can take place.
 
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Step 4 - not before 21 June​

Social contact​

By Step 4 which will take place no earlier than 21 June, the government hopes to be in a position to remove all legal limits on social contact.

Business, activities and events​

We hope to reopen remaining premises, including nightclubs, and ease the restrictions on large events and performances that apply in Step 3. This will be subject to the results of a scientific Events Research Programme to test the outcome of certain pilot events through the spring and summer, where we will trial the use of testing and other techniques to cut the risk of infection. The same Events Research Programme will guide decisions on whether all limits can be removed on weddings and other life events.
 
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