Covid and the future of games
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Doovster
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Disagree with both statements based on recent reports I've read. In particular vaccinated people are catching Delta with full symptoms and transmitting. The benefit is reduction in severe symptoms which is fantastic.
Anyway I feel like I'm beginning to go around in circles which is no fun for me nor anyone reading this I suspect, so I will graciously bow out of this thread for now.
CheeseFarmW4
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Perhaps I'm wrong, I had read somewhere last week that pfizer was something like 75% effective against infection from the delta variant, as opposed to 85% against alpha.
I agree that vaccinated people are still at risk, albeit lower.
badgerbee
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Scotland to introduce "need to show they have had both doses of the vaccine" for, amongst others, attendance at "Any event, of any nature, which has more than 10,000 people in attendance" from later this month.
"A similar scheme will be introduced in England at the end of this month, with people needing to have a "Covid pass" to access "higher risk" settings such as nightclubs."
"A similar scheme will be introduced in England at the end of this month, with people needing to have a "Covid pass" to access "higher risk" settings such as nightclubs."
Scots to need vaccine passports for large events
People who have not been fully vaccinated will not be able to attend many sporting events, concerts or nightclubs.
www.bbc.co.uk
hobbsy
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BIAS are attending a meeting with the Premier league on Thursday to discuss Covid requirements going forward.
Having had covid I do have a covid pass valid for 6 months on the NHS app. This never seems to be mentioned when people list the requirements for entry. Can we find out if this will be accepted? I will be getting second jab in the next week or so.
Yes it will be that. But it is normally valid for one month at a time.
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Is the NHS paper copy confirming 2 jabs acceptable?
hobbsy
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It's certainly mentioned on all the foreign travel regs.
Don’t believe so. The app links to your nhs data
ruislip bee
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Oh bugger!
Wise old Bee
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We were in Cornwall in a loose family group of about 20 people. Not in each others faces much but five have tested positive since returning at the weekend. My immediate family are unaffected but we were lucky. Cornwall was a hotspot last week and Newquay, which we visited once, was the most affected.
I hope you tell them they are not needed and ask for the science behind the idea of passports
they weren't needed for the Arsenal, Palace and Villa...
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hobbsy
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As you know the Premier League are only following government direction.I hope you tell them they are not needed and ask for the science behind the idea of passports
Out of interest have you had a vaccine? Its all about mitigating risk and although it might seem daft that loads travel to a ground without the need of proof of vaccine, some businesses will want to as has been explained many times. In this instance it will be the government.I hope you tell them they are not needed and ask for the science behind the idea of passports
As for not needing it previously, you may have noticed that the last few weeks have seen an up tick in cases and hospitalization, as we head towards the winter months and all the other flu's and colds. This thing is not going away soon and continued mitigation will be required, probably for years to come.
jlove
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The son of a friend went with his mate to the Reading Festival, both have had a first jab, were feeling under the weather but got a ping yesterday and tested positive with their results this morning. It's his 18th tomorrow but he's more annoyed about missing the return to college. I wonder how many other attendees are similar?
How will a passport reduce the spread/risk if you have covid?
There will be fewer people with covid if they are all vaccinated.
Therefore less covid can be transmitted.
If you turn up with covid then you must have been double-jabbed.
If you've been double vaccinated you are less likely to get severe symptoms, so if everyone in a venue is double jabbed, even though they can pass it on, you are not as likely to get it or if you do, severely. Nothing is ideal, but everyday we mitigate risk, this is something to add to.
All of my wife's current patients are unvaccinated that sort of says something doesn't it?
nick logan
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My daughter was due to go to Reading but sold her tickets as she has gone to Majorca today and didnt want to risk her holiday
nick logan
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yes it says they are stupid ****s.
My wife was watching a video this morning, with some bint moaning about kids getting vaccinated from this " fake virus "
I am still annoyed now.
These people who think twitter is the news will hold us back for months / years
The irony of some of these unvaccinated in hospital, is they're anti vaccine, but often junkies & heavy smokers.
rebus
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Are you okay?
nick logan
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" i dont want that poison in my body "
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Why would us youngsters take the vaccine if we have natural immunity? I haven’t locked myself away and have developed immunity from the virus over the last few years
There is no natural immunity in kids, they just don't get severely ill, but there is a growing number getting the virus and obtaining long covid. There is also a chance they can mutate another more potent variant so I'd hope that you'd also consider others more vulnerable.Why would us youngsters take the vaccine if we have natural immunity? I haven’t locked myself away and have developed immunity from the virus over the last few years
Ealing Bee
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It should, but it seems some people are impervious to simple reason.
EDIT: I might have said they're "immune" to it....
nick logan
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Youngsters dont watch news or read newspapers and don't seem to get that anyone can say anything on Social Media but its b***ocks most of the time
Ealing Bee
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Tbf, we all* did and said stupid things when we were young; often reflecting the notion that we were invulnerable to risk or danger etc And there were no Social Media to blame or inflame in my young days.
But the older Covidiots in the population today can have no such excuses.
* - Well I did, at any rate!
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Mate, Saars (Covid) has been around since 2003, I was a kid then and have survived naturally! Virus mutate it’s what they do that’s nothing new ..... and our bodies have immune systems which develop to fight off viruses.
have the jab if you want it but I’m not gonna be forced into being a guinea pig just to watch football in an outside space lol
BURFORD BEE
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The idea of passports or papers to go about ones day to day life in this country is anathema to me. So too were many of the restrictions on normal family life enforced by law whereby seeing family became a criminal offence.
However people who refuse to be vaccinated are idiots who risk their own lives and those of others directly by increasing their chances of infection and thereby passing it to others, and indirectly by making it much more likely to need hospitalisation and increasing the load on our desperately overstretched health service.
If these same people have so little regard for themselves and others their stupidity could quite reasonably stretch to going to an event when they had symptoms. “ it’s only a cold innit”!
So as much as the whole idea offends me and my belief in personal freedom I find myself in favour of passports for games.
True Covid is endemic and in a year or two may become no worse than a cold but for many that’s far from the case at the moment.
jlove
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I take it you’ve never heard of medical science and virology?
BURFORD BEE
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Like I said in my previous post, would you want harrythepro sitting next to you at the next home game !
JohnOmarasShorts
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I'll ask the question, what do you mean by being a guinea pig?
Ealing Bee
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So what happened the immune system of those millions of people all around the world who have died of Covid19, including the 130k+ in this country alone?
Were they in some way deficient?
Or are you in some way special?
If an unvaccinated person declines to get the jab, and/or is refused entry to football, then that suits me just fine - one less challenge to my own (vaccine-boosted) immune system.
BURFORD BEE
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Oh he’s definitely “special “So what happened the immune system of those millions of people all around the world who have died of Covid19, including the 130k+ in this country alone?
Were they in some way deficient?
Or are you in some way special?
If an unvaccinated person declines to get the jab, and/or is refused entry to football, then that suits me just fine - one less challenge to my own (vaccine-boosted) immune system.
liverbee
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People who think microwave ovens are intrinsically evil seem to have a large overlap with the anti-vaxers and Covid "sceptics", not to mention those who seem prone to filling their bodies with substances for no known medical or nutritional reason.
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Of the 130k which died in this country how many would’ve died anyway? I’m sure 95% are over 75 which is when your meant to be on your way .... also the stats are twisted because a Covid death is simply someone who tests positive in the last 30 days! Does not mean they died from Covid could be hit by a bus etcSo what happened the immune system of those millions of people all around the world who have died of Covid19, including the 130k+ in this country alone?
Were they in some way deficient?
Or are you in some way special?
If an unvaccinated person declines to get the jab, and/or is refused entry to football, then that suits me just fine - one less challenge to my own (vaccine-boosted) immune system.
I’m special because I choose to get my info on Covid from other places than bbc and sky news which operate for the government who funds them.
how does me being unvaccinated challenge your immune system ?? Please enlighten me
You haven't had to go through what my wife has had to as an ITU nurse, to see that its been completely different, but hey ho so be it, you do as you please.
hobbsy
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Can we please keep this thread specifically about entry to football matches. Anything else use the main Covid thread.
The old concentrate on who died argument. There are millions today that will need NHS treatment forevermore for ailments this disease has caused, they didn't die, but are now severely ill in many cases, including youngsters. By the way you're not special, I get my info from a nurse treating unvaccinated dip sh*ts at the moment.
nick logan
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Yes the old Tory loving BBC
Blimey i thought you were on a wind up and didn't want to get a
filmyfan
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Wow Johnson pays my wages - first I heard of that
LingfieldBee
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Requested dads letter online today in preparation. Really easy all done.
Ealing Bee
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The only way I could "enlighten" someone with your mindset is if I hit you on the head with a big torch - but you probably reckon your immune system could cope with that, too.
Anyhow, out of deference to Hobbsys's plea to keep this thread on track, all I'll say is that if HMG mandates vaccine passports to attend football matches, that's fine with me, not least for keeping unvaccinated people well away from my airspace.
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I can answer that, 130k. Thank you. Except if you are The Highlander.
Ealing Bee
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If my own experience is anything to go by when applying online for a paper vaccine certificate, then the whole system is remarkably easy and efficient - five minutes on the computer, then it arrived in the post a few days later (with a w/end in between).
This is a wind up surely? Over 75 means on your way
....CheeseFarmW4
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Number of contributors on here due to fall off a cliff imminently then...This is a wind up surely? Over 75 means on your way
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