Because if you test negative that means you do not have the virus ON THAT DAYAll the players have been tested negative so what's all the fuss about
It does not mean you are free from it two days later
Because if you test negative that means you do not have the virus ON THAT DAYAll the players have been tested negative so what's all the fuss about
... that's called a hangar, isn't it?Have a look at the chaos with the tennis players flights to Aussie
Test negative to get on plane at LA
Test positive on arrival in Aus
The WHOLE plane now has to isolate for 14 days in their hotel room without leaving it
Agree beesbees the vast majority are following the guidance and have all the way through but it’s the minority that don’t that need to change to make a difference.I think that’s an unfair representation, in my experience, the majority of people are complying with the restrictions.
I know lots of parents with young children, young single people living alone, students and teenagers stuck at home and all of them; other than going to work (if not from home), the supermarket or exercise; are staying at home.
Well they shouldn't have based themselves at the very end of the wrong end of the M4 thenAn article on the BBC Sport site re Steve Cooper complaining about unfair fixture list for Swansea .... Playing Saturday night at Barnsley and the Tuesday night at Blackburn. Question, do teams still travel the day before the match? If not, then it is a bit of a slog. If yes, assume they stay in covid secure hotels? Also, if yes, why wouldn't they stay in a secure locked down environment with training facilities from the Friday to the Tuesday?
That's the next stage of devolution ... kicked out of the EFL and have to play in the LoWWell they shouldn't have based themselves at the very end of the wrong end of the M4 then
Isthmian league fixtures suspended till March 6.Second league in Step 7 have declared themselves N&V: Ollie Bayliss Tweet
Be interested to see how many hold off longer of if they all start to call it now.
They could look at some sort of cup format in late spring rather than simply throwing in the towelIsthmian league fixtures suspended till March 6.
The conclusion of the season is still May 22nd.
Somehow they are going to squeeze in the fixtures into 13 weeks.
Horsham have 32 fixtures to complete and Bowers and Pitsea 37.
Not going to happen I reckon.
perhaps they should join the the welch league thenAn article on the BBC Sport site re Steve Cooper complaining about unfair fixture list for Swansea .... Playing Saturday night at Barnsley and the Tuesday night at Blackburn. Question, do teams still travel the day before the match? If not, then it is a bit of a slog. If yes, assume they stay in covid secure hotels? Also, if yes, why wouldn't they stay in a secure locked down environment with training facilities from the Friday to the Tuesday?
I'm not sure the Club would want to take the responsibility to monitor entrance, do you?So with the vaccine distribution programme going so well how do we feel about admission to games being allowed for vaccinated fans?
Sounds good to me as I think we’re all going to end up with a Covid ‘passport’ for airlines, hotels, countries etc anyhow.
Vaccinated people could still infect others.So with the vaccine distribution programme going so well how do we feel about admission to games being allowed for vaccinated fans?
Sounds good to me as I think we’re all going to end up with a Covid ‘passport’ for airlines, hotels, countries etc anyhow.
You get a card when you get inoculated and I can see this evolving into a photo ID card.I'm not sure the Club would want to take the responsibility to monitor entrance, do you?
I know, that’s why only vaccinated could attend.Vaccinated people could still infect others.
really ? or is that just a guessVaccinated people could still infect others.
Do you know how difficult and expensive it would be to design a system that does that?You get a card when you get inoculated and I can see this evolving into a photo ID card.
Obviously not secure but it’s all on a database too which could be made available to companies etc.
I know the human rights brigade will be all over it but IMO it’s worth it to see a game in the flesh.
I think the elderly (being the majority group who’ve been vaccinated) are going to be asked to sit tight and stick to the same lockdown rules as everyone else to protect those who haven’t been vaccinated.So with the vaccine distribution programme going so well how do we feel about admission to games being allowed for vaccinated fans?
Sounds good to me as I think we’re all going to end up with a Covid ‘passport’ for airlines, hotels, countries etc anyhow.
We would have to start somewhere assuming Covid never fully leaves us .I'm not sure the Club would want to take the responsibility to monitor entrance, do you?
When I took my M-in-L to get her vaccinations it was obvious that all the info was going on a database. It must be else how will they know who (and when) people need their top-up doses.Do you know how difficult and expensive it would be to design a system that does that?
Yes, that was what my MinL was told, even on her second dose.really ? or is that just a guess
Big difference between being on an NHS database and being accessible and trackable by a small private sector organisation.When I took my M-in-L to get her vaccinations it was obvious that all the info was going on a database. It must be else how will they know who (and when) people need their top-up doses.
Do you mean in the next few months or when everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated ie, probably towards the end of the year ?So with the vaccine distribution programme going so well how do we feel about admission to games being allowed for vaccinated fans?
Sounds good to me as I think we’re all going to end up with a Covid ‘passport’ for airlines, hotels, countries etc anyhow.
So do you propose no one attends until September or a free-for-all like last autumn?I think the elderly (being the majority group who’ve been vaccinated) are going to be asked to sit tight and stick to the same lockdown rules as everyone else to protect those who haven’t been vaccinated.
Much like those at low risk (teens and twenties etc) have been asked to do for the last 9-10 months.
I think any vaccine specific admissions (sport, music, travel etc) will be in feasible until all over 18s have had the opportunity to receive the vaccine if they wish.
ok thanks , sure i heard Hancock say they weren't fully sure yet but makes sense that it can still be passed onYes, that was what my MinL was told, even on her second dose.
Make it part of our ‘world beating’ track and trace system.Big difference between being on an NHS database and being accessible and trackable by a small private sector organisation.
It is whether they can play or not is the issue.They could look at some sort of cup format in late spring rather than simply throwing in the towel
it wasn't a free for all , it was done on season t longevitySo do you propose no one attends until September or a free-for-all like last autumn?
I agree (personally) but a darn sight far less unfair and unethical than the acts of non-conforming individuals and non-enforcement of rules that has led to so many more avoidable deaths and ruined lives.Do you mean in the next few months or when everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated ie, probably towards the end of the year ?
If the former...No. Just no.
Goes against every principle of ethics and fairness.
Personally I think if this started happening you would just see a lot more people on the streets. As they would start playing the one rule for me and another for them.So do you propose no one attends until September or a free-for-all like last autumn?
Sorry. I meant in a Covid senseit wasn't a free for all , it was done on season t longevity
She had both doses of the Pfizer vaccine. The way the nurse explained that it doesn’t give immunity or stop you passing it on but does reduce the severity of the effects.ok thanks , sure i heard Hancock say they weren't fully sure yet but makes sense that it can still be passed on
I propose neither of the above, if it’s deemed safe to admit some fans then you allow and allocate in line with guidance at the time, however, vaccination status is not one of the determining factors.So do you propose no one attends until September or a free-for-all like last autumn?
An entry on a database is the entry point and a very long way from a verified Photo ID system.When I took my M-in-L to get her vaccinations it was obvious that all the info was going on a database. It must be else how will they know who (and when) people need their top-up doses.
Yes, viruses never go away. When the Government lifts restrictions that's perfectly valid but I really can't imagine a sports club creating the systems and processes to identify explicitly a small group of people and accept responsibility for that group of people. Not only would the systems be prohibitively expensive, it would create a legal minefield. We, as supporters, have to follow the herd!We would have to start somewhere assuming Covid never fully leaves us .
Once everyone is vaccinated ?
IMO all that changes when the first groups are vaccinated is that they can feel comfortable about going out and doing things such as attending football matches which they were understandably hesitant to before. Almost everyone they see either on the way or at the ground won't have been vaccinated yet never mind who else might attend.Yes, viruses never go away. When the Government lifts restrictions that's perfectly valid but I really can't imagine a sports club creating the systems and processes to identify explicitly a small group of people and accept responsibility for that group of people. Not only would the systems be prohibitively expensive, it would create a legal minefield. We, as supporters, have to follow the herd!
Does this database cope with 92 football ground firing hundreds of thousands of requests at it at 3pm, as well as 20,000 supermarkets and whatever else too? Or is it somebody with an old copy of Excel with a maximum of 256 columns ?When I took my M-in-L to get her vaccinations it was obvious that all the info was going on a database. It must be else how will they know who (and when) people need their top-up doses.
In addition to the technical constraints, are there also data privacy / GDPR implications meaning each individual would need to provide permission for their vaccination status (as part of their individual medical info) to be shared with a third party?Does this database cope with 92 football ground firing hundreds of thousands of requests at it at 3pm, as well as 20,000 supermarkets and whatever else too? Or is it somebody with an old copy of Excel with a maximum of 256 columns ?
You can still get it and pass it on, its just the symptoms will be much milder for all those vaccinated and keep them out of hospital in most instances. Most won't even know they've had it.ok thanks , sure i heard Hancock say they weren't fully sure yet but makes sense that it can still be passed on
So with the vaccine distribution programme going so well how do we feel about admission to games being allowed for vaccinated fans?
Sounds good to me as I think we’re all going to end up with a Covid ‘passport’ for airlines, hotels, countries etc anyhow.
Do you mean in the next few months or when everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated ie, probably towards the end of the year ?
If the former...No. Just no.
Goes against every principle of ethics and fairness.
I agree (personally) but a darn sight far less unfair and unethical than the acts of non-conforming individuals and non-enforcement of rules that has led to so many more avoidable deaths and ruined lives.![]()
Don't know but hopefully state of the art if the NHS are going to co-ordinate the re-vaccination etc as this is going to go on for ages yet (year after year probably).Does this database cope with 92 football ground firing hundreds of thousands of requests at it at 3pm, as well as 20,000 supermarkets and whatever else too? Or is it somebody with an old copy of Excel with a maximum of 256 columns ?
Out of interest, can you prove you've been vaccinated against Diphtheria or Polio, for example?This is a very serious issue and needs to be treated as such and something like the DVLC MOT/Insurance database is required.
It might be used by some countries as a condition of entry depending how the pandemic evolves but really can’t see it being used for events etc.Don't know but hopefully state of the art if the NHS are going to co-ordinate the re-vaccination etc as this is going to go on for ages yet (year after year probably).
This is a very serious issue and needs to be treated as such and something like the DVLC MOT/Insurance database is required.
It won't be hundreds of thousands of requests at 3pm as people buy tickets in advance. Also STH's can prove it well in advance and with bar-code entry at tunstiles it will just flag you up as in-eligible so no point in travelling if you can't get in.
Not saying it's easy but needs to done, I'd be amazed if it isn't already in hand.