Covid and the future of games

[Judio1999]

All the players have been tested negative so what's all the fuss about

Because if you test negative that means you do not have the virus ON THAT DAY

It does not mean you are free from it two days later

 

[Judio1999]

Have a look at the chaos with the tennis players flights to Aussie
Test negative to get on plane at LA
Test positive on arrival in Aus

The WHOLE plane now has to isolate for 14 days in their hotel room without leaving it

 

[jlove]

Have a look at the chaos with the tennis players flights to Aussie
Test negative to get on plane at LA
Test positive on arrival in Aus

The WHOLE plane now has to isolate for 14 days in their hotel room without leaving it

... that's called a hangar, isn't it?

 

[Judio1999]

Ha Ha

I did mean the players who were on the two planes

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

I think that’s an unfair representation, in my experience, the majority of people are complying with the restrictions.

I know lots of parents with young children, young single people living alone, students and teenagers stuck at home and all of them; other than going to work (if not from home), the supermarket or exercise; are staying at home.

Agree beesbees the vast majority are following the guidance and have all the way through but it’s the minority that don’t that need to change to make a difference.
I just don’t think that’s going to happen without enforcement.

 

[Themepark]

Second league in Step 7 have declared themselves N&V: Ollie Bayliss Tweet

Be interested to see how many hold off longer of if they all start to call it now.

 

[badgerbee]

"Interesting" to see plenty of spectators present at NFL Play Off games.....

 

[nathanbee]

An article on the BBC Sport site re Steve Cooper complaining about unfair fixture list for Swansea .... Playing Saturday night at Barnsley and the Tuesday night at Blackburn. Question, do teams still travel the day before the match? If not, then it is a bit of a slog. If yes, assume they stay in covid secure hotels? Also, if yes, why wouldn't they stay in a secure locked down environment with training facilities from the Friday to the Tuesday?

 

[Banana]

An article on the BBC Sport site re Steve Cooper complaining about unfair fixture list for Swansea .... Playing Saturday night at Barnsley and the Tuesday night at Blackburn. Question, do teams still travel the day before the match? If not, then it is a bit of a slog. If yes, assume they stay in covid secure hotels? Also, if yes, why wouldn't they stay in a secure locked down environment with training facilities from the Friday to the Tuesday?

Well they shouldn't have based themselves at the very end of the wrong end of the M4 then

 

[nathanbee]

Well they shouldn't have based themselves at the very end of the wrong end of the M4 then

That's the next stage of devolution ... kicked out of the EFL and have to play in the LoW

 

[horshambees]

Second league in Step 7 have declared themselves N&V: Ollie Bayliss Tweet

Be interested to see how many hold off longer of if they all start to call it now.

Isthmian league fixtures suspended till March 6.
The conclusion of the season is still May 22nd.
Somehow they are going to squeeze in the fixtures into 13 weeks.
Horsham have 32 fixtures to complete and Bowers and Pitsea 37.
Not going to happen I reckon.

 

[Guildford Bee]

Isthmian league fixtures suspended till March 6.
The conclusion of the season is still May 22nd.
Somehow they are going to squeeze in the fixtures into 13 weeks.
Horsham have 32 fixtures to complete and Bowers and Pitsea 37.
Not going to happen I reckon.

They could look at some sort of cup format in late spring rather than simply throwing in the towel

 

[the birds and the bees]

An article on the BBC Sport site re Steve Cooper complaining about unfair fixture list for Swansea .... Playing Saturday night at Barnsley and the Tuesday night at Blackburn. Question, do teams still travel the day before the match? If not, then it is a bit of a slog. If yes, assume they stay in covid secure hotels? Also, if yes, why wouldn't they stay in a secure locked down environment with training facilities from the Friday to the Tuesday?

perhaps they should join the the welch league then

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

So with the vaccine distribution programme going so well how do we feel about admission to games being allowed for vaccinated fans?
Sounds good to me as I think we’re all going to end up with a Covid ‘passport’ for airlines, hotels, countries etc anyhow.

 

[jlove]

So with the vaccine distribution programme going so well how do we feel about admission to games being allowed for vaccinated fans?
Sounds good to me as I think we’re all going to end up with a Covid ‘passport’ for airlines, hotels, countries etc anyhow.

I'm not sure the Club would want to take the responsibility to monitor entrance, do you?

 

[Bee1895]

So with the vaccine distribution programme going so well how do we feel about admission to games being allowed for vaccinated fans?
Sounds good to me as I think we’re all going to end up with a Covid ‘passport’ for airlines, hotels, countries etc anyhow.

Vaccinated people could still infect others.

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

I'm not sure the Club would want to take the responsibility to monitor entrance, do you?

You get a card when you get inoculated and I can see this evolving into a photo ID card.
Obviously not secure but it’s all on a database too which could be made available to companies etc.
I know the human rights brigade will be all over it but IMO it’s worth it to see a game in the flesh.

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

Vaccinated people could still infect others.

I know, that’s why only vaccinated could attend.

 

[nick logan]

Vaccinated people could still infect others.

really ? or is that just a guess

 

[Les Beeavinu]

You get a card when you get inoculated and I can see this evolving into a photo ID card.
Obviously not secure but it’s all on a database too which could be made available to companies etc.
I know the human rights brigade will be all over it but IMO it’s worth it to see a game in the flesh.

Do you know how difficult and expensive it would be to design a system that does that?

 

[beesbees_bfc]

So with the vaccine distribution programme going so well how do we feel about admission to games being allowed for vaccinated fans?
Sounds good to me as I think we’re all going to end up with a Covid ‘passport’ for airlines, hotels, countries etc anyhow.

I think the elderly (being the majority group who’ve been vaccinated) are going to be asked to sit tight and stick to the same lockdown rules as everyone else to protect those who haven’t been vaccinated.

Much like those at low risk (teens and twenties etc) have been asked to do for the last 9-10 months.

I think any vaccine specific admissions (sport, music, travel etc) will be in feasible until all over 18s have had the opportunity to receive the vaccine if they wish.

 

[nick logan]

I'm not sure the Club would want to take the responsibility to monitor entrance, do you?

We would have to start somewhere assuming Covid never fully leaves us .

Once everyone is vaccinated ?

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

Do you know how difficult and expensive it would be to design a system that does that?

When I took my M-in-L to get her vaccinations it was obvious that all the info was going on a database. It must be else how will they know who (and when) people need their top-up doses.

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

really ? or is that just a guess

Yes, that was what my MinL was told, even on her second dose.

 

[beesbees_bfc]

When I took my M-in-L to get her vaccinations it was obvious that all the info was going on a database. It must be else how will they know who (and when) people need their top-up doses.

Big difference between being on an NHS database and being accessible and trackable by a small private sector organisation.

 

[cheshirebee]

So with the vaccine distribution programme going so well how do we feel about admission to games being allowed for vaccinated fans?
Sounds good to me as I think we’re all going to end up with a Covid ‘passport’ for airlines, hotels, countries etc anyhow.

Do you mean in the next few months or when everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated ie, probably towards the end of the year ?
If the former...No. Just no.
Goes against every principle of ethics and fairness.

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

I think the elderly (being the majority group who’ve been vaccinated) are going to be asked to sit tight and stick to the same lockdown rules as everyone else to protect those who haven’t been vaccinated.

Much like those at low risk (teens and twenties etc) have been asked to do for the last 9-10 months.

I think any vaccine specific admissions (sport, music, travel etc) will be in feasible until all over 18s have had the opportunity to receive the vaccine if they wish.

So do you propose no one attends until September or a free-for-all like last autumn?

 

[nick logan]

Yes, that was what my MinL was told, even on her second dose.

ok thanks , sure i heard Hancock say they weren't fully sure yet but makes sense that it can still be passed on

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

Big difference between being on an NHS database and being accessible and trackable by a small private sector organisation.

Make it part of our ‘world beating’ track and trace system.

 

[horshambees]

They could look at some sort of cup format in late spring rather than simply throwing in the towel

It is whether they can play or not is the issue.
If they can then a league where you play the opposition only once would be sensible. So 21 games not 42.
Who knows what is happening tbh.
The Sussex County league could well be scrapped for the season I understand.
Sadly.

 

[nick logan]

So do you propose no one attends until September or a free-for-all like last autumn?

it wasn't a free for all , it was done on season t longevity

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

Do you mean in the next few months or when everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated ie, probably towards the end of the year ?
If the former...No. Just no.
Goes against every principle of ethics and fairness.

I agree (personally) but a darn sight far less unfair and unethical than the acts of non-conforming individuals and non-enforcement of rules that has led to so many more avoidable deaths and ruined lives.

 

[Holysmit]

So do you propose no one attends until September or a free-for-all like last autumn?

Personally I think if this started happening you would just see a lot more people on the streets. As they would start playing the one rule for me and another for them.

The augmentated reality filters on social media would be pillaring them with videos like this and Covid is a myth. This would then lead to the virus spreading out of control in younger people.

I don't think it's feesible until the r rate is specifically down and couldn't be implemented on a vaccine only basis as it would create riots.

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

it wasn't a free for all , it was done on season t longevity

Sorry. I meant in a Covid sense

 

[Guildford Bee]

There is absolutely zero chance of the vaccinated being allowed into stadiums - or given any other privileges - before anyone else. It would be impossible to enforce and would lead to untold problems with fraud and other criminality.

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

ok thanks , sure i heard Hancock say they weren't fully sure yet but makes sense that it can still be passed on

She had both doses of the Pfizer vaccine. The way the nurse explained that it doesn’t give immunity or stop you passing it on but does reduce the severity of the effects.
Consequently she and us (bubble-mates) are carrying on as before and will only change once we get the vaccine.
It’s going to be a long hard road yet

 

[beesbees_bfc]

So do you propose no one attends until September or a free-for-all like last autumn?

I propose neither of the above, if it’s deemed safe to admit some fans then you allow and allocate in line with guidance at the time, however, vaccination status is not one of the determining factors.

To be honest I think there’s a good chance there will be no crowds until next season (pretty much September by then) anyway.

Based on the fact vaccination may not stop the spread but reduces the individuals risk of serious illness, on what basis is it ok for them to be allowed in and therefore be out potentially spreading covid (not just at the stadium but trains, buses etc)?

In theory, those vaccinated are in no different position to the one the youngest adults (and children) have been in throughout this... low individual risk but risk to increasing transmission and therefore exposure to people with higher risk.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

When I took my M-in-L to get her vaccinations it was obvious that all the info was going on a database. It must be else how will they know who (and when) people need their top-up doses.

An entry on a database is the entry point and a very long way from a verified Photo ID system.

 

[jlove]

We would have to start somewhere assuming Covid never fully leaves us .

Once everyone is vaccinated ?

Yes, viruses never go away. When the Government lifts restrictions that's perfectly valid but I really can't imagine a sports club creating the systems and processes to identify explicitly a small group of people and accept responsibility for that group of people. Not only would the systems be prohibitively expensive, it would create a legal minefield. We, as supporters, have to follow the herd!

 

[Simon C]

Yes, viruses never go away. When the Government lifts restrictions that's perfectly valid but I really can't imagine a sports club creating the systems and processes to identify explicitly a small group of people and accept responsibility for that group of people. Not only would the systems be prohibitively expensive, it would create a legal minefield. We, as supporters, have to follow the herd!

IMO all that changes when the first groups are vaccinated is that they can feel comfortable about going out and doing things such as attending football matches which they were understandably hesitant to before. Almost everyone they see either on the way or at the ground won't have been vaccinated yet never mind who else might attend.

 

[Banana]

When I took my M-in-L to get her vaccinations it was obvious that all the info was going on a database. It must be else how will they know who (and when) people need their top-up doses.

Does this database cope with 92 football ground firing hundreds of thousands of requests at it at 3pm, as well as 20,000 supermarkets and whatever else too? Or is it somebody with an old copy of Excel with a maximum of 256 columns ?

 

[beesbees_bfc]

Does this database cope with 92 football ground firing hundreds of thousands of requests at it at 3pm, as well as 20,000 supermarkets and whatever else too? Or is it somebody with an old copy of Excel with a maximum of 256 columns ?

In addition to the technical constraints, are there also data privacy / GDPR implications meaning each individual would need to provide permission for their vaccination status (as part of their individual medical info) to be shared with a third party?

 

[Gee Bee]

ok thanks , sure i heard Hancock say they weren't fully sure yet but makes sense that it can still be passed on

You can still get it and pass it on, its just the symptoms will be much milder for all those vaccinated and keep them out of hospital in most instances. Most won't even know they've had it.

 

[cheshirebee]

So with the vaccine distribution programme going so well how do we feel about admission to games being allowed for vaccinated fans?
Sounds good to me as I think we’re all going to end up with a Covid ‘passport’ for airlines, hotels, countries etc anyhow.

Do you mean in the next few months or when everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated ie, probably towards the end of the year ?
If the former...No. Just no.
Goes against every principle of ethics and fairness.

I agree (personally) but a darn sight far less unfair and unethical than the acts of non-conforming individuals and non-enforcement of rules that has led to so many more avoidable deaths and ruined lives.

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

Why?
I think we should all have proof that we’ve had the vaccine to allow admittance to events, flights etc.
If this doesn’t happen (PC-ness) then no one should be allowed to attend until all are vaccinated to try to stop the death toll and pressure on the NHS.
IMO this should be the path forward but ...

 

[Judio1999]

Isthmian League and Below

Tables - The Pitching In Isthmian Football League

The official website of The Pitching In Isthmian Football League with Pitchero

www.isthmian.co.uk

I think a very valid suggestion is to to continue the season which was paused in November from next September. ???

Then they have a whole season to play 30 odd games rather than 42

No worries about fitting in postponed games with waterlogged pitches

 

[BFC1997]

Darragh McAnthony isn’t keen on footballers being told not to celebrate with each-other:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1351590987223728130

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

Does this database cope with 92 football ground firing hundreds of thousands of requests at it at 3pm, as well as 20,000 supermarkets and whatever else too? Or is it somebody with an old copy of Excel with a maximum of 256 columns ?

Don't know but hopefully state of the art if the NHS are going to co-ordinate the re-vaccination etc as this is going to go on for ages yet (year after year probably).
This is a very serious issue and needs to be treated as such and something like the DVLC MOT/Insurance database is required.
It won't be hundreds of thousands of requests at 3pm as people buy tickets in advance. Also STH's can prove it well in advance and with bar-code entry at tunstiles it will just flag you up as in-eligible so no point in travelling if you can't get in.
Not saying it's easy but needs to done, I'd be amazed if it isn't already in hand.

 

[jlove]

This is a very serious issue and needs to be treated as such and something like the DVLC MOT/Insurance database is required.

Out of interest, can you prove you've been vaccinated against Diphtheria or Polio, for example?

 

[cheshirebee]

Don't know but hopefully state of the art if the NHS are going to co-ordinate the re-vaccination etc as this is going to go on for ages yet (year after year probably).
This is a very serious issue and needs to be treated as such and something like the DVLC MOT/Insurance database is required.
It won't be hundreds of thousands of requests at 3pm as people buy tickets in advance. Also STH's can prove it well in advance and with bar-code entry at tunstiles it will just flag you up as in-eligible so no point in travelling if you can't get in.
Not saying it's easy but needs to done, I'd be amazed if it isn't already in hand.

It might be used by some countries as a condition of entry depending how the pandemic evolves but really can’t see it being used for events etc.
You do seem to have a bee in your bonnet on this but I think that (thankfully) you are going to be disappointed. We are not going to have a vax/novax society let alone for football.