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I’d rather have Luke Daniels as keeper than him

I’d even rather have Paul Daniels.
Amazing how something so right could go so wrong. Sheffield Wednesday at home 2-3 years ago was one of the best goalkeeping performances I’ve seen at GP
 

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To be fair he's a decent keeper who suffers from lack of confidence and very poor runs in form. Earlier in the season, Bristol City thought they'd stolen him from us and had a future England keeper on their hands. Much like we did at one point...

He's a nice fella as well.
 
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To be fair to Bristol City, l wonder how far their implosion is due to Bentley throwing points away? I suspect it's significant.Ascwe know it can wreck a season.

Bit late to do anything about it now though. You would have thought that Johnson would have spotted it earlier......
 

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To be fair to Bristol City, l wonder how far their implosion is due to Bentley throwing points away? I suspect it's significant.Ascwe know it can wreck a season.

I suspect its a big part of their loss of form. If your keeper or defence are leaking goals it drains the confidence through the team. Maybe mentally he is not as strong as he needs to be. All keepers make errors but with Bentley it seems to continue, until he starts doubting his own ability.
 

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I think Bentley is a very talented keeper but one not made for the modern game where many clubs use keepers to start passing out and across the back. The extra thinking he had to learn last season was obviously too much for him and led to him not having concentration left for the basics, ultimately taking away his confidence. Bristol City not a great move for him as they attempt similar things but with an indecisive manager who doesn’t stick to any one plan. He might rediscover his ability somewhere where all that’s needed of a keeper is to make saves and welly it upfield towards the quality signs in the corners.
 

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I think Bentley is a very talented keeper but one not made for the modern game where many clubs use keepers to start passing out and across the back. The extra thinking he had to learn last season was obviously too much for him and led to him not having concentration left for the basics, ultimately taking away his confidence. Bristol City not a great move for him as they attempt similar things but with an indecisive manager who doesn’t stick to any one plan. He might rediscover his ability somewhere where all that’s needed of a keeper is to make saves and welly it upfield towards the quality signs in the corners.

It's interesting because I did feel we bought him to complement the style you mention. Good first season but after that there were far too many errors. I much prefer Raya. He's a nutcase and most great keepers are. And much more in tune with our philosophy l.
 

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It's interesting because I did feel we bought him to complement the style you mention. Good first season but after that there were far too many errors. I much prefer Raya. He's a nutcase and most great keepers are. And much more in tune with our philosophy l.

You’re right, to be a top keeper you either have to be mental, have an “I don’t give a f**k” attitude or have a lot of self belief...
 

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I suspect its a big part of their loss of form. If your keeper or defence are leaking goals it drains the confidence through the team. Maybe mentally he is not as strong as he needs to be. All keepers make errors but with Bentley it seems to continue, until he starts doubting his own ability.
And it's the same mistakes he keeps making, so he's not learning from them.
 

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You’re right, to be a top keeper you either have to be mental, have an “I don’t give a f**k” attitude or have a lot of self belief...
Raya seems to have all three.
 

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I think Bentley is a very talented keeper but one not made for the modern game where many clubs use keepers to start passing out and across the back. The extra thinking he had to learn last season was obviously too much for him and led to him not having concentration left for the basics, ultimately taking away his confidence. Bristol City not a great move for him as they attempt similar things but with an indecisive manager who doesn’t stick to any one plan. He might rediscover his ability somewhere where all that’s needed of a keeper is to make saves and welly it upfield towards the quality signs in the corners.

The 'modern game' destroyed Graham Benstead. A great keeper but as soon as he couldn't pick up a back pass - destroyed.
 

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The 'modern game' destroyed Graham Benstead. A great keeper but as soon as he couldn't pick up a back pass - destroyed.

He also had a bad injury towards the end, which is why we got a loan keeper in, if I remember rightly. The thing about Bentley is he us vulnerable on crosses but good shot stopper imho.
 

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It's interesting because I did feel we bought him to complement the style you mention. Good first season but after that there were far too many errors. I much prefer Raya. He's a nutcase and most great keepers are. And much more in tune with our philosophy l.
I agree with the general sentiment, and agree DR is a clear step-up from DB.

But we shouldn't overlook that Raya has made a few errors himself this season.
 

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I agree with the general sentiment, and agree DR is a clear step-up from DB.

But we shouldn't overlook that Raya has made a few errors himself this season.

All players make errors. In %age terms, I would suggest he has made very few.
 

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Raya seems to have all three.

The best usually do...
I genuinely think he will be a premier league player for years with or without us.
I hope it’s the former obviously...
 

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Has had to come on as a substitute at Forest.
 
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A string of incredible saves to keep Forest at bay....

According to the BBC text updates, Bentley's first act was to pull off a fine save. :cool:
 

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Only one shot on target each in the first half.
 

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I agree with the general sentiment, and agree DR is a clear step-up from DB.

But we shouldn't overlook that Raya has made a few errors himself this season.

I think like any keeper, Raya has made mistakes, but there are very, very few compared to the huge percentage of top class brilliance and high performance he’s had.
Only one real major howler, and even in that game he didn’t allow it to affect the rest of his game, or start losing confidence/mental strength.

It’s a huge plus to have confidence, and put mistakes behind you in a game.

There are a number of PL keepers, who’ve been making more spectacular howlers, but are still there!

That’s what happened to Bentley, loss of confidence, and couldn’t control the ball at his feet or panicked. Likewise with Button, although surprisingly he now sits out games on PL salary for Brighton, but then he doesn’t have to face the action too much.
 

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I think like any keeper, Raya has made mistakes, but there are very, very few compared to the huge percentage of top class brilliance and high performance he’s had.
Only one real major howler, and even in that game he didn’t allow it to affect the rest of his game, or start losing confidence/mental strength.

It’s a huge plus to have confidence, and put mistakes behind you in a game.

There are a number of PL keepers, who’ve been making more spectacular howlers, but are still there!

That’s what happened to Bentley, loss of confidence, and couldn’t control the ball at his feet or panicked. Likewise with Button, although surprisingly he now sits out games on PL salary for Brighton, but then he doesn’t have to face the action too much.

Bit like Dickie Lee although he was of course on far less money.
 

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Having a decent game today.....
B City on course to keep up their 100% start....
 
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Minor neck injury keeps him out of Bristol City’s 2-2 draw away at Barnsley. Expected to be back in the next week.
 

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Components of a good keeper but struggles with the psychological aspects of the position, e.g. when he's made an error seems to get on his own back and lose confidence. Mental fortitude is key for the position. Reading Richard Lee's biography is quite telling in this respect, he didn't even enjoy matches until they were over. Raya's confidence in his own ability seems unshakeable
 

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Components of a good keeper but struggles with the psychological aspects of the position, e.g. when he's made an error seems to get on his own back and lose confidence. Mental fortitude is key for the position. Reading Richard Lee's biography is quite telling in this respect, he didn't even enjoy matches until they were over. Raya's confidence in his own ability seems unshakeable
I even enjoyed the fact Raya came and tried to punch out that ball on Saturday. Result no goal. Daniel's would have been rooted to his line. No one knows what the outcome would have been. At least Raya made them have to react instantly and might have affected the end outcome. No goal.
 

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I even enjoyed the fact Raya came and tried to punch out that ball on Saturday. Result no goal. Daniel's would have been rooted to his line. No one knows what the outcome would have been. At least Raya made them have to react instantly and might have affected the end outcome. No goal.
This is a thread about Daniel Bentley not Luke Daniels. Yes, Bentley probably would have stuck to his line but let's not criticise a perfectly competent second choice keeper when he wasn't even playing.
 

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This is a thread about Daniel Bentley not Luke Daniels. Yes, Bentley probably would have stuck to his line but let's not criticise a perfectly competent second choice keeper when he wasn't even playing.

Well said.
 

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This is a thread about Daniel Bentley not Luke Daniels. Yes, Bentley probably would have stuck to his line but let's not criticise a perfectly competent second choice keeper when he wasn't even playing.
Erm? I said nothing about Bentley staying on his line I suggested Daniel's would have.You mentioned Raya. I was merely saying I liked the fact that he, Raya, at least came for that ball which I thought Daniel's would not have. It's a forum about opinions and I gave mine. Who the hell suddenly made you a moderator?
 

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'Boro end Bristol City unbeaten run...." George Saville pounced on a howler between goalkeeper Daniel Bentley and defender Taylor Moore to nip in and slide the ball into the net on 73 minutes for the only goal of the game. "
 

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'Boro end Bristol City unbeaten run...." George Saville pounced on a howler between goalkeeper Daniel Bentley and defender Taylor Moore to nip in and slide the ball into the net on 73 minutes for the only goal of the game. "
Saw it on SSN. Lesson is don’t pass it to a lone kid defender on the edge of your area, when the opposition is pressing high...
 

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Erm? I said nothing about Bentley staying on his line I suggested Daniel's would have.You mentioned Raya. I was merely saying I liked the fact that he, Raya, at least came for that ball which I thought Daniel's would not have. It's a forum about opinions and I gave mine. Who the hell suddenly made you a moderator?

@hairman makes a fair point - no issue with comparing Bentley and Raya on the Bentley thread, but no need to make a Raya vs Daniels comparison on the Bentley thread.

"i said nothing about Bentley staying on his line" - exactly - if we're chatting on the Bentley thread, Bentley should be involved please. reaction is a bit OTT...
 

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Cracking save from Saman's initial shot.. Brizzle's play of the season so far according to their fans
 

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Cracking save from Saman's initial shot.. Brizzle's play of the season so far according to their fans

He was lucky there , as I’ve said elsewhere a little bit to the left and it was a goal. Not sure he really new what he was doing then
 

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He was lucky there , as I’ve said elsewhere a little bit to the left and it was a goal. Not sure he really new what he was doing then

I think he might be referring to the third goal Del when Bentley touched the first shot onto the bar with an incredible save. Agree he was fortunate with Samman’s shot in the first half.
 

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There's always been a really good goalkeeper in there. A complete confidence player, as we learned in his final season with us... when he's flying, he saves everything, but when his head drops he'll go on a streak of errors. Incredible save from Saman's first shot, and was probably a bit unlucky with his earlier save falling straight to Canos.

Bentley wasn't consistent enough for us to mount a proper promotion push, but he is no doubt a very good GK for the Championship. At 27 he's just coming into his peak years, and if he kicks on and stamps out the errors he might yet find himself playing at a higher level.

Raya is the superior goalkeeper for sure.
 

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I think he might be referring to the third goal Del when Bentley touched the first shot onto the bar with an incredible save. Agree he was fortunate with Samman’s shot in the first half.
If that’s what was meant then I’ll agree but not the shot in the first half when he was lucky
 
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