Dean Smith - Head Coach - Leaves for Aston Villa

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Dean has been great for us and vice versa, if a bigger club come calling I have no doubt he'll be interested and tempted if he sees it as a natural progression , not to say a life changing salary.
However I think he's a very grounded, intelligent man and will weigh up the pros and cons rather than think of the immediate gains and money like some players. He knows what a great set up we have here, how well thought of he is and how bright the future is. He's as secure in his position as Klopp or Pep if he wants to stay and even if he loses the first 7 games the only pressure he'll be under will be from himself so I can see him staying if we don't lose all our best players and have to start all over again in the summer.

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" I can see him staying if we don't lose all our best players and have to start all over again in the summer"

I think it's quite likely he will stay providing we don't sell too many of our best players. You cannot expect any coach to have to re-build every season. Give him the tools and he'll do the job.
 

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" I can see him staying if we don't lose all our best players and have to start all over again in the summer"

I think it's quite likely he will stay providing we don't sell too many of our best players. You cannot expect any coach to have to re-build every season. Give him the tools and he'll do the job.

Although, he knows full well that we produce players that other clubs find attractive and can offer deals to that we can't. We are slowly getting into a better position to retain players but part of the reason we are able to sign them in the first place is the very reason we find difficulty in keeping them. This means the entire coaching staff must have the 'rebuilding' mentality and one of the reasons that stability is a vital part of the whole system.

Some of the best business cultures are those of continuous change, built on some key areas of stability. It allows continuous improvement and avoids dramatic changes caused by unplanned events.
 

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" I can see him staying if we don't lose all our best players and have to start all over again in the summer"

I think it's quite likely he will stay providing we don't sell too many of our best players. You cannot expect any coach to have to re-build every season. Give him the tools and he'll do the job.

Agree, and I think he would have got us into the play offs this season if it had not been for the Brum 3. The remaining squad was good enough for a top 6 finish and the performance since the 1st eight games has been right up in the play off places on the remaining fixtures. Giving every team a good game except Wolves this season.Whilst every team needs a bit of luck, we certainly didn’t get our fair share this season, along with a few refs decisions at key times has not helped.
 

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Agree, and I think he would have got us into the play offs this season if it had not been for the Brum 3.

Totally disagree , Jota did nothing for months , HD not as good as Bjelland or Mepham , Colin , very good player but very happy with Henrik.
 

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Agree, and I think he would have got us into the play offs this season if it had not been for the Brum 3. The remaining squad was good enough for a top 6 finish and the performance since the 1st eight games has been right up in the play off places on the remaining fixtures. Giving every team a good game except Wolves this season.Whilst every team needs a bit of luck, we certainly didn’t get our fair share this season, along with a few refs decisions at key times has not helped.

We improved after the Brum 3 left, ever considered the negative effect on a squad when your Captain, POTY and arguably most valuable player want to leave? No co incidence that we got better soon after they left and we started to get stability back in the side. If they were that good how come they couldn't deliver a play off place to a team that were in the same position as us when they joined them.
Not having your statement at all, we have proved beyond any doubt that we are stronger now that we were before they left.
 

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Totally disagree , Jota did nothing for months , HD not as good as Bjelland or Mepham , Colin , very good player but very happy with Henrik.

It's a tough one.

I think Dean+Mepham would have been just as good.
I liked Colin too but Dalsgaard has been decent (so again not a marked difference).
Let's not be unfair just because he's left - Jota was great for us at times and certainly could have contributed something.

So I agree with you that the replacements weren't much worse but agree with him in that the "turbulence" at the start of the season may have cost us points.

If Brum hadn't made any offers for any of them it's not unreasonable to think we might have had a stronger start to the season imo.
 

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It's a tough one.

I think Dean+Mepham would have been just as good.
I liked Colin too but Dalsgaard has been decent (so again not a marked difference).
Let's not be unfair just because he's left - Jota was great for us at times and certainly could have contributed something.

So I agree with you that the replacements weren't much worse but agree with him in that the "turbulence" at the start of the season may have cost us points.

If Brum hadn't made any offers for any of them it's not unreasonable to think we might have had a stronger start to the season imo.

But we hadn't had an offer for two of them until deadline day and to be fair a source reckons that our Spanish prodigal son misbehaved abysmally because no one had made a decent offer and we'd said he wasn't going to be sold for peanuts. This is the same player who was only going to go to Premier league side as he couldn't play for another Championship club against the club who had his heart - his words. I suspect that a bit of clever negotiating and the offer of a right back might have convinced 'Arry to shell out for Jota. I dread to think how bad the morale would have been if he'd stayed if no one had stepped in at the last minute and made an acceptable offer. We shouldn't be upset with Brum we should be thanking them IMHO.
 

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Oh right. Still not heard of him. I thought Kingston meant he was someone in our set-up hence my question.

A monster of a centre half in his day, really good player. Has done a great job as caretaker but listening to the reports he has been told he will not get the gig as they are going for a "name". Probably end up with Mark Hughes or Warnock.
 

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Agree, and I think he would have got us into the play offs this season if it had not been for the Brum 3. The remaining squad was good enough for a top 6 finish and the performance since the 1st eight games has been right up in the play off places on the remaining fixtures. Giving every team a good game except Wolves this season.Whilst every team needs a bit of luck, we certainly didn’t get our fair share this season, along with a few refs decisions at key times has not helped.
You've completely ignored the change to our formation and style of play that was introduced pre-season and must have had an effect in those early games as the players and coaches settled and understood how it should work. Having players who were hell bent on leaving would just have made matters worse by them not being interested in learning something new.

On the assumption that the playing style continues – and there's no reason to suppose it won't – then the platform for further improvement is there and introducing new players to it will be easier.

We may not have had the 'luck' this season but that probably balances the luck we had in the first season at this level, where it all just fizzled out towards the end. Let's hope for regression to the mean.
 

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But we hadn't had an offer for two of them until deadline day and to be fair a source reckons that our Spanish prodigal son misbehaved abysmally because no one had made a decent offer and we'd said he wasn't going to be sold for peanuts. This is the same player who was only going to go to Premier league side as he couldn't play for another Championship club against the club who had his heart - his words. I suspect that a bit of clever negotiating and the offer of a right back might have convinced 'Arry to shell out for Jota. I dread to think how bad the morale would have been if he'd stayed if no one had stepped in at the last minute and made an acceptable offer. We shouldn't be upset with Brum we should be thanking them IMHO.

To be fair I don't know the "behind the scenes" wranglings and therefore was purely comparing having them stay and not unsettled versus them having thoughts elsewhere and leaving.
Depending on the realities of the situation you may well be right (although I think it's fair to say we had a disrupted start to the season regardless!).
 

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To be fair I don't know the "behind the scenes" wranglings and therefore was purely comparing having them stay and not unsettled versus them having thoughts elsewhere and leaving.
Depending on the realities of the situation you may well be right (although I think it's fair to say we had a disrupted start to the season regardless!).

:imwith: Agree but it certainly didn't help.
 

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A monster of a centre half in his day, really good player. Has done a great job as caretaker but listening to the reports he has been told he will not get the gig as they are going for a "name". Probably end up with Mark Hughes or Warnock.

Big dave is a name just ask the ladies
 

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It's a tough one.

I think Dean+Mepham would have been just as good.
I liked Colin too but Dalsgaard has been decent (so again not a marked difference).
Let's not be unfair just because he's left - Jota was great for us at times and certainly could have contributed something.

So I agree with you that the replacements weren't much worse but agree with him in that the "turbulence" at the start of the season may have cost us points.

If Brum hadn't made any offers for any of them it's not unreasonable to think we might have had a stronger start to the season imo.

If Brum hadn’t made any offers for the 3 then we could be looking at an FFP sanction in the not too distant future.
 

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I dunno I think if FFP wasn't in place we would seriously struggle to compete.

I honestly don't think it would make much difference personally! As people just ignore it when they want to overspend and get a token punishment (if anything).
 

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I honestly don't think it would make much difference personally! As people just ignore it when they want to overspend and get a token punishment (if anything).

Have QPR been punished yet? If their fine is upheld or even increased that would send a strong message. If it wasn't for that I think their daft owner would have continued to spend silly money ad infinitum, which might have worked after a certain point, at least in this division.
 

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Have QPR been punished yet? If their fine is upheld or even increased that would send a strong message. If it wasn't for that I think their daft owner would have continued to spend silly money ad infinitum, which might have worked after a certain point, at least in this division.

Still appealing their fine. So feck all. Still.
 

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Yeah I remember him breaking the news that Smith was coming here two and a half years ago.

Still I don’t like this business of approaching our manager as part of what seems to be an ongoing interview process. The idea they would approach us, chat to Dean, destabilise everything and then decide to appoint Appleton or Moore instead is a bit of a piss take.
 

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Yeah I remember him breaking the news that Smith was coming here two and a half years ago.

Still I don’t like this business of approaching our manager as part of what seems to be an ongoing interview process. The idea they would approach us, chat to Dean, destabilise everything and then decide to appoint Appleton or Moore instead is a bit of a piss take.

It should work the same way players do, in that they have to get permission. I can imagine us throwing a hefty fee on his head though, as he's contracted to us, like Watford did with Silva
 

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Don't worry, M.B. has all the bases covered. In fact I would think we have our new manager in place if Dean does go.
 

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It's still only paper talk and WBA supporters wish, he fits us like a glove and I hope it isn't true, I would like to think he is waiting for the final push for the Prem and the new stadium, but if it does happen we have ready made staff waiting in the wings for a smooth transition.
 

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"...are set to make official approaches..." Just how would he know what they're are set to do but have not yet done? That's code for "that's my guess, the club can't deny it and, if it doesn't happen, I'm in the clear". We'll only know the truth if he leaves and we also know that our Club will have the risk analysis and various succession plans in place. I'd assume Dean and O'Kelly would leave as a pair, for example, so there's two positions to be filled.
 

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"...are set to make official approaches..." Just how would he know what they're are set to do but have not yet done? That's code for "that's my guess, the club can't deny it and, if it doesn't happen, I'm in the clear". We'll only know the truth if he leaves and we also know that our Club will have the risk analysis and various succession plans in place. I'd assume Dean and O'Kelly would leave as a pair, for example, so there's two positions to be filled.

The two positions to be filled will be Frank’s and O’Connors, because presumably they would become head coach and coach respectively.
 

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The two positions to be filled will be Frank’s and O’Connors, because presumably they would become head coach and coach respectively.

That's a reasonable presumption... but I'd also not be over-surprised if something completely different happened.
 

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Franks was a Benham appointment as assistant manager, I think it’s nailed on that he is being groomed to take over if and when Smith leaves.
 

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Franks was a Benham appointment as assistant manager, I think it’s nailed on that he is being groomed to take over if and when Smith leaves.

Probably right on Franks , but i believe whoever takes over if smith leaves will fit in to the clubs philosophy and smiths leaving would make little impact if any.

Benham has a system here at the club that ensures any player or coach leaving does not impact too much on the playing side of things.
 

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Any manager leaving if its not the clubs choice will have some kind of effect. ...not often does one of th assistant step up seamlessly.
 

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If Dean goes, my worry would be what players would follow him

Players can't just wander off; WBA's Director of Football would need to make offers to BFC and we'd get our valuation.
 

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The two positions to be filled will be Frank’s and O’Connors, because presumably they would become head coach and coach respectively.

O'Connor? I am not so sure about that one, more likely the recently appointed Dane, as I remember he has a fairly impressive CV.
 

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O'Connor? I am not so sure about that one, more likely the recently appointed Dane, as I remember he has a fairly impressive CV.

Yep that's exactly BF is saying if you read it again.
 

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Any manager leaving if its not the clubs choice will have some kind of effect. ...not often does one of th assistant step up seamlessly.

have you not been paying attention? this was literally part of our whole Warburton justification - we DON'T want the situation where a manager leaving destablises everything, we're trying to make sure that we have succession plans etc. so "not often" doesn't apply to us - we're trying to buck that exact trend.
 

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have you not been paying attention? this was literally part of our whole Warburton justification - we DON'T want the situation where a manager leaving destablises everything, we're trying to make sure that we have succession plans etc. so "not often" doesn't apply to us - we're trying to buck that exact trend.

He’s right though. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to go well, however efficient the system is. Dijkhuizen for example. On the other hand we might improve.
 

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He’s right though. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to go well, however efficient the system is. Dijkhuizen for example. On the other hand we might improve.

he's right in that "anything could happen". that's not exactly cutting-edge analysis though.
 

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The two positions to be filled will be Frank’s and O’Connors, because presumably they would become head coach and coach respectively.

That is what i reckon the succession plan, then King Kev to become head coach when Real Madrid sign Franks from us.
 

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Any manager leaving if its not the clubs choice will have some kind of effect. ...not often does one of th assistant step up seamlessly.

i knew you would look on the bright side !
 

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If it means anything, I've heard that there has been no official approach, the club don't want one and it's all business as usual.
 

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If Frank took over I reckon the club would let him choose his own assistant. O’Connor would be better off staying where he is. But this is all a bit premature!
 

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Don't suppose anything will happen until WBA's season finishes. If Deans off i expect it'll be fairly obvious by his body language on Sunday.Hope he stays.
 
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