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"In midweek at least we had nice football to watch (Brentford..).. This was a dire festering turd of a match. West Brom hardly turned up and cantered to an easy win. Clueless..."

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Have a watch of his post West Brom defeat AVTV Interview, here, especially the last bit.

https://www.villatalk.com/topic/18100-dean-smith/?page=414

I am sorry to say that he looks under pressure to a far greater extent than whatever went wrong for him here; and it looks like he has lost a fair bit of weight; and he doesn't give the impression, at least to me, that he is confident of getting out of the mire.
 

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He deserved a crack at a 'big' club and I'm sure knew what he was letting himself in for. He will have known he would be under more pressure there. He may never have got another opportunity like that, so has to 'test' himself at the next level. He was never going to be a 'quick fix' and some of the fans on their forum realise this. They are now experiencing one of Dean's customary dips in form.

They are quite complimentary about the players he's brought in and dismissing of the existing ones that couldn't appear to give a monkey's. Dean's job is to try and shift as many of these out at the end of the season and get some new faces in. He deserves the chance to do that and the club owe him that. I am surprised that Mr. Terry seems to be getting off lightly though, given he should be there to be the 'go between' between the manager and players, and was also a well-renowned defender. However, they have leaked the most home goals in the country. I suspect Mr. Terry is also busy trying to be Mr. Teflon, so that he can say 'not me guv' when Dean inevitably gets the boot sometime next season and fills his shoes.
 

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Have a watch of his post West Brom defeat AVTV Interview, here, especially the last bit.

https://www.villatalk.com/topic/18100-dean-smith/?page=414

I am sorry to say that he looks under pressure to a far greater extent than whatever went wrong for him here; and it looks like he has lost a fair bit of weight; and he doesn't give the impression, at least to me, that he is confident of getting out of the mire.

Loved this post from one of theirs

"0-7 seconds in the after match interview he touches behind his ear straight away. Ive googled this and it means he's lying.

couldn;t be arsed listening to the rest of his drivel the guy is a joke"

If anyone wants a degree in psychology, give Google a quick go
 

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John Terry must be rubbing his hands.

:sorted:

Villa have now officially got the worst defensive record in England...and yet he never gets mentioned at all! The man’s a genius...he’s obviously taken some media training from David Cameron!
 

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I noticed he had lost a fair bit of weight after the bees game interview. Although that may not just be from stress but a prescribed fitness and health regime
 

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You sure it's not the sh*tty camera that's used. Very tin pot for the biggest club in England
 

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Hilarious the Villa boards. They think it was all down to Smith the style Brentford play and the signings .. he was a spoke in a wheel and without our infrastructure he’s a bang average manager .. stroke of genius really when Matthew brought in TF
He was always destined to take the gig I’m sure.
 

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Loved this post from one of theirs

"0-7 seconds in the after match interview he touches behind his ear straight away. Ive googled this and it means he's lying.

couldn;t be arsed listening to the rest of his drivel the guy is a joke"

If anyone wants a degree in psychology, give Google a quick go

OR....he just had an itchy ear?
 

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Over Deans time with us there were many comments about what a good man manager he is so there is no reason to not believe that.....it appears to be one of his strengths.

However. The players he man managed here were not his purchases identified by him. And there in may lay the problem.

How many times have we heard that our success was purely down to DS. It wasn't and we all know that.

He can only man manage the players he has and going on the other night the bunch he has at AV need proper clearing out....this is not a job he did with us so he is untested in doing this.

Frankly I appreciate the job he did for us and enjoyed his time here. Other than that I don't give a sh*t now whether he sinks or swims elsewhere as he is no longer relevant.

The king is dead. Long live the king and TF has done an amazing turn round job for us.
 
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Over Deans time with us there were many comments about what a good man manager he is so there is no reason to not believe that.....it appears to be one of his strengths.

However. The players he man managed here were not his purchases identified by him. And there in may lay the problem.

How many times have we heard that our success was purely down to DS. It wasn't and we all know that.

He can only man manage the players he has and going on the other night the bunch he has at AV need proper clearing out....this is not a job he did with us so he is untested in doing this.

Frankly I appreciate the job he did for us and enjoyed his time here. Other than that I don't give a sh*t now whether he sinks or swims elsewhere as he is no longer relevant.

The king is dead. Long live the king and TF has done an amazing turn round job for us.
Immediately before Smith joined Villa, they brought in a very experienced Sporting Director who was clearly tasked with addressing their bloated squad. I doubt he's working in any way differently to BFC. It will take one or more transfer windows to sort it out, so it's a question whether their SD has presented a credible medium-team plan to their owners that includes the current coaching team.
 

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This is as predictable as night follows day. With us and Walsall he was given time to work his way out of a poor run but there was never a chance that he was going to be given that sort of time before the fans turned on him like this.

With our poor runs of results the performances were still good and so was the motivation but watching them closely on Wednesday I did not get the impression this was so with Villa who are looking distinctly average with a highly paid disjointed squad and players that are not going to or able to play to Smith's way.

I don't share the general hatred of John Terry but I do wonder if he is any good as a coach, he seems to have been parachuted in on the basis of his playing record than any coaching skills. As a coaching team it looks a poor mix and always did.
 

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I think what's prejudicing him in the eyes of the Villa fans is that run of results and uplift in the quality of football immediately after his appt. They got too hung-up on brucie-ball and envisaged that this intial run of early results and Brentford+ football would continue into the automatic spots, let alone the POs. I think the 5-5 at home against Forest should've been a wake up call as it hinted at the traits of DS teams. Poss Terry was seen as a remedy to what they identified as his tactical weakness, I'm amazed that JT hasn't received much flak on the AV forums for the defensive record.

JT doesn't strike me as a head coach, I see him as a very poor man's Neil Harris.
 

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Hilarious the Villa boards. They think it was all down to Smith the style Brentford play and the signings .. he was a spoke in a wheel and without our infrastructure he’s a bang average manager .. stroke of genius really when Matthew brought in TF
He was always destined to take the gig I’m sure.
If DS is only "bang average", what does that say for Mr. Benham's recruitment skills, then? Or the fact that he kept* him on until he was lured away by a bigger club/salary?

And what does it say about his (MB's) ambition? Or don't you imagine he appoints the best he can possibly get?

Yes of course the Head Coach at BFC is a "spoke in the wheel", but it must be obvious that as such, he is one of the 3 or 4 most important spokes (if a wheel may be said to have those) in the entire revolution (pun intended). As such, he was one in a line of very competent Head Coaches, starting with UR, continuing through MW and DS, and presently featuring TF. Each of them is/was well-qualified for the job (see DS's progress at Walsall and compare with their present travails) and each should have his contribution recognised as being more important than any failings.


* - Note the way he disposed of Marinus the moment it became clear he wasn't up to the job.
 

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If DS is only "bang average", what does that say for Mr. Benham's recruitment skills, then? Or the fact that he kept* him on until he was lured away by a bigger club/salary?

And what does it say about his (MB's) ambition? Or don't you imagine he appoints the best he can possibly get?

Yes of course the Head Coach at BFC is a "spoke in the wheel", but it must be obvious that as such, he is one of the 3 or 4 most important spokes (if a wheel may be said to have those) in the entire revolution (pun intended). As such, he was one in a line of very competent Head Coaches, starting with UR, continuing through MW and DS, and presently featuring TF. Each of them is/was well-qualified for the job (see DS's progress at Walsall and compare with their present travails) and each should have his contribution recognised as being more important than any failings.


* - Note the way he disposed of Marinus the moment it became clear he wasn't up to the job.
If we were to unfortunately lose TF for whatever reason and DS was available, I don't think the club would dismiss bringing him back. Anyone who can facilitate 3 consecutive top 10 finishes in this div on our budget doesn't become a bad manager overnight.
 
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We all know Dean Smith is not perfect. No such thing. He handled the turn over in star players and brought a couple of decent players with him. Something he hasn't done for Villa, as yet. Let's face it, he's managing some players who aren't as good as they and their agents think they are and has an extraneous and barely inspiring John Terry taking up space. He looks really stressed out.
 

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We all know Dean Smith is not perfect. No such thing. He handled the turn over in star players and brought a couple of decent players with him. Something he hasn't done for Villa, as yet. Let's face it, he's managing some players who aren't as good as they and their agents think they are and has an extraneous and barely inspiring John Terry taking up space. He looks really stressed out.

Deano should really be given a close season to try and bring in his own players, but it may not happen given the environment he finds himself in with JT in the wings, and the supporters starting to make noises. Still he knew what he was signing up to, and the extra dosh he is on will obviously cushion the blow when it will undoubtedly come.
 

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Am I the only person who thinks he has been fired when this thread pops up in notifications
 

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I don't think there's any chance of Smith not being around at Villa until at least the middle of next season. The powers that be there know full well he needs a couple of transfer windows to mould a team.
 

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I don't think there's any chance of Smith not being around at Villa until at least the middle of next season. The powers that be there know full well he needs a couple of transfer windows to mould a team.

I wish I shared your optimism. They seem to be on a run of poor form at the moment. Losing to "little old Brentford" and rivals from the Black Country at home without mustering a goal can't be helpful and there is the constant spectre of John Terry in the background
 

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Whilst I like Dean from a personal perspective I hope he's gone by the summer as makes it less likely Villa will try and raid us in the Summer.
 

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I wish I shared your optimism. They seem to be on a run of poor form at the moment. Losing to "little old Brentford" and rivals from the Black Country at home without mustering a goal can't be helpful and there is the constant spectre of John Terry in the background
Timeline when they appt DS,

i)re-invigorate the playing style a la Brentford, tick
ii)climb the lg by beating rivals, tick
iii)maintain position in top 6, close to top 2, tick

Unfortunately this lasted about 7 weeks, in the last two months they have regressed. I don't think it's reached a tipping point moment but if it continues and they slip down to 17/18th and this form lasts another 2 mths I think the AV suits will have a re-think about their master-plan.

Support has a bearing on how they operate, apparently they were going to sack Bruce in the summer but pulled it after he received positive support in a poll of their fanbase in a local rag. They've got Stoke away on Sat, another defeat and it could get toxic(for either club).
 

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When you bring in a more passing style of football into a club with a set of players who are not used to playing that way, it will often show signs of working initially but then start to falter once the players regress to their normal. We saw it in the first season under Rosler, and he couldn't truly bring out a passing style until we shipped enough of the Craig Woodman's out of the club (not having a go, but that's not his style of football).

Their initial upturn often happens, a new style brings excitement, but they'll need a summer to shuffle the pack a bit more. I expect them to bring in Sawyers, and will make a few other investments that will make them a more attractive looking side. They could sack Dean this season, but that wouldn't benefit them much. It would still leave them without a plan going into next season, and they probably can't afford to keep doing that from their point of view.

Brentford away has returned to being a difficult fixture for visiting teams though, and WBA are fairly flying. They need to gain some steel but it is possible that they're in one of his '9 game slumps', they'd better put the kettle on for this one...
 
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Interesting run of games coming up too: Stoke, Derby, Birmingham, Forest and then Boro.
 

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Interesting run of games coming up too: Stoke, Derby, Birmingham, Forest and then Boro.
If it goes badly in those 5 games it'd put AV in the bottom half of the table, I thought it was getting toxic on villatalk after the last two games but that'd up it to Def Com 5. Stoke fans thought they'd walk this lg, I think it's just dawning on them that this lg doesn't take passengers and will be even stronger next season. Can see a few big guns in the relegation mix next season.
 
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What's happened to Blackburn, they won the 4 before the 5-2 loss at GP and have now chalked up 4 losses. Their fans thought they'd moved into play-off territory but are now nervously looking down the lg....4 games it took, be a warning to everyone from 12th place down.
 
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What's happened to Blackburn, they won the 4 before the 5-2 loss at GP and have now chalked up 4 losses. Their fans thought they'd moved into play-off territory but are now nervously looking down the lg....4 games it took, be a warning to everyone from 12th place down.

Same with Hull, sort of. They went on a great 12 match run but have only won 1 in the last 5.
 

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Same with Hull, sort of. They went on a great 12 match run but have only won 1 in the last 5.
Thought that Hull run was reliant on Bowen and Grosicki, rather like Rovers relied on Dack and Graham(who sat out a couple of games after the 5-2). We have to be vigilant of Bowen around the box, and hope that Dalsgaard returns to marshall Gros.
 

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I think it's just the swing and flow of football, most teams will go on a run of x amount of wins at some point, and will equally go on a similar run of x amount of losses. Blackburn were never going to make the playoffs, and neither were Hull. But both had their good runs...
 

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I think it's just the swing and flow of football, most teams will go on a run of x amount of wins at some point, and will equally go on a similar run of x amount of losses. Blackburn were never going to make the playoffs, and neither were Hull. But both had their good runs...
I think you've encapsulated the DS revolution at Villa, unfortunately the natives are getting a tad restless. I do wonder where he'd be now if they'd not had that run of wins in Oct & Nov...
 

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Don't know how far the club got when the looked at Nathan Jones after DS left, but from reading the postings on their Oatcake forum the theme is very similar to what's been posted on the villatalk/DS thread. Unlike Villa they didn't get the immediate uplift in results or playing style and both managers have had to alter their philosphies to patch over the cracks.
 

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Don't know how far the club got when the looked at Nathan Jones after DS left, but from reading the postings on their Oatcake forum the theme is very similar to what's been posted on the villatalk/DS thread. Unlike Villa they didn't get the immediate uplift in results or playing style and both managers have had to alter their philosphies to patch over the cracks.

We didn’t look at him. He offered himself to us.
 

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We didn’t look at him. He offered himself to us.
If he could recognise a great set-up like Brentford surely he should've recognised the warning signs prevalent at Stoke? Not sure that was the right move, very different culture, with a very different ethos. Think he might not get the time to prove his diamond works in Staffs tbh.
 

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If DS is only "bang average", what does that say for Mr. Benham's recruitment skills, then? Or the fact that he kept* him on until he was lured away by a bigger club/salary?

And what does it say about his (MB's) ambition? Or don't you imagine he appoints the best he can possibly get?

Yes of course the Head Coach at BFC is a "spoke in the wheel", but it must be obvious that as such, he is one of the 3 or 4 most important spokes (if a wheel may be said to have those) in the entire revolution (pun intended). As such, he was one in a line of very competent Head Coaches, starting with UR, continuing through MW and DS, and presently featuring TF. Each of them is/was well-qualified for the job (see DS's progress at Walsall and compare with their present travails) and each should have his contribution recognised as being more important than any failings.


* - Note the way he disposed of Marinus the moment it became clear he wasn't up to the job.

Didn’t we get a compensation fee from Villa for Dean Smith?
 

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He inherited a crap situation at Villa Park that has been building ever since Martin O'Neill left. Will take a while to rebuild with no guarantee of success. Too many players on massive contracts that have had their day and the loan signings are the reason they are where they are.
Villa will be a Championship club for a few more years yet.
And Jack Grealish can party in Birmingham as much as he likes. A good player who likes a night out.
Good luck Deano.You are going to need it.
 

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If he could recognise a great set-up like Brentford surely he should've recognised the warning signs prevalent at Stoke? Not sure that was the right move, very different culture, with a very different ethos. Think he might not get the time to prove his diamond works in Staffs tbh.

How about a massive ego?
He believes he could do a job anywhere he goes especially after the success at Luton. He offered himself to us and that tells you he is looking for work whilst still employed by Luton.
They are better off without him.
Luton will be playing Stoke next season and you have to wonder where Nathan Jones will be.
 

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How about a massive ego?
He believes he could do a job anywhere he goes especially after the success at Luton. He offered himself to us and that tells you he is looking for work whilst still employed by Luton.
They are better off without him.
Luton will be playing Stoke next season and you have to wonder where Nathan Jones will be.

Very glad he's not our manager (Jones I mean). He sounds like a Muppet when he talks and I just could not take him seriously.
 

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John Terry hovering vulture like over Sarri last night. Wonder if Dean has secretly got his fingers crossed that Chelsea follow the Man U's example and go for an old player as manager who'll let the players play.
 

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Very glad he's not our manager (Jones I mean). He sounds like a Muppet when he talks and I just could not take him seriously.
My feeling is that a lower lg team who make modest investments in better quality players to facilitate a move to a more technical game will always climb the ladder from the 3rd & 4th tier,(obviously the coaching set-up is instrumental to this & think Lincoln are reaping the rewards of this approach).
I think NJ was naive in thinking he'd replicate his methods in the championship, given it worked in the lower lgs. Totally different game, better coaches and players. I think it was a massive gamble by Stoke, and do wonder if he'll be in the dug-out come August.
 

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Has this thread got a little bit off track or is it me?
 
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