Dean Smith

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18 points from Villas first 10 games.

4 wins and 4 clean sheets away from home too.

Excellent return and he’s making the most from his squad.

Good decision to take OW off of penalties!
 

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To be fair. He was 100% correct having a go about that f***ing stupid decision.
It is outrageous, but it was also perfectly within the laws of the game.
Comments I've read from other refs agree it is ludicrous.
Comments I've read from pundits and alike I agree with when they say no one knows what's good and what's not anymore.
 

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To be fair. He was 100% correct having a go about that f***ing stupid decision.
The bigger stupid decision was surely Mings?

Although does it not also suggest that a poorly controlled save by Lloris means that Toney is onside for a recent semi final goal?
 

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To be fair. He was 100% correct having a go about that f***ing stupid decision.
Nothing wrong with the decision.

A lot wrong with the law it related to

I thought Smith came out of it badly, ranting and complaining that he didn't know the rules!
 

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I don't know what all the fuss is about, obviously you'd be pissed off in the heat of the moment, but Rodri's onside once Mings (attempts) to control the ball. It's no different from if Mings had turned around and underhit a backpass that was pounced upon.

Although does it not also suggest that a poorly controlled save by Lloris means that Toney is onside for a recent semi final goal?
No, you're still offside if the opposition player you recieved it from was making a goal-bound save or block.
 

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The law is an ass. Simple as that.

IFAB need to change the law.

It’s bad enough losing time to players receiving the ball in an offside position and allowing play to continue. They’re off. Clearly offside. Yet the decision is delayed losing time for the opposition. Laws need to change. The offside law is one.
 

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Get rid of VAR.....let the refs decide....lik that cricket umpire Steve Buckner....took him 1/2 hour to put his finger up or not....remember Dickie Bird saying for LBW...'thats out' no question...
as for Toneys big toe nail...well.......You Reds...
 

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Aston Villa so far this season (approx half way through):

Better GD than the league leaders
Above Chelsea & Arsenal
Win their games in hand, go above Liverpool
In strong contention for Europe

I know they’ve spent money etc but that offers no guarantees of success in PL. Dean has turned them into a really well functioning, entertaining and cohesive team. Combined with the fact two of their key players are ex-bees along with Smith and O’Kelly and they have become very good to watch.

I think we have been better off with Frank but Smith was good for us also and has been brilliant at Villa. Fair play.
 

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The law is an ass. Simple as that.

IFAB need to change the law.

It’s bad enough losing time to players receiving the ball in an offside position and allowing play to continue. They’re off. Clearly offside. Yet the decision is delayed losing time for the opposition. Laws need to change. The offside law is one.
I agree, and if it hasn’t already, it will be the cause of someone getting badly injured due to the defender attempting to make an unnecessary last ditch / desperate challenge - only for a flag that could have gone up 20 seconds before suddenly being raised or VAR to show the obvious.
 

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I think we have been better off with Frank but Smith was good for us also and has been brilliant at Villa. Fair play.
He's an excellent man-manager. Probably the best we'd had.
 

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He knows his strengths and is confident enough to get help in for his weak areas. He was happy to have TF come in and then when Villa were struggling defensively he had the good sense to bring in Craig Shakespeare. Alex Ferguson was like that at United but a lot of managers are too big headed and want to do it all.
 

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They look like an actual Dean Smith team this year, and it's good to watch. Their performances are very good on the eye this year and I'm pleased for him. Not many Walsall managers will go on to manage in the Premier League and he's done it the right way.
 

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The offside law has been clarified by IFAB to work a bit better within the Spirit of the Game.

PGMOL said:
Following the offside situation in the recent Premier League match between Manchester City and Aston Villa - which generated significant debate and discussion within the game - PGMOL has subsequently discussed the incident with both The IFAB and UEFA to consider how to act in the best interests of the game in future situations of this type, ensuring that the spirit and intention of the Law is best reflected in decision-making going forwards.

The general consensus during the game between Manchester City and Aston Villa was that Rodri gained an unfair advantage in being able to challenge Tyrone Mings in starting from an offside position, immediately after Mings had chested the ball.

Following these positive discussions, The IFAB has provided the following clarification emphasising what should be prioritised when interpreting similar situations in the future. The guidance for match officials in interpreting Law 11 will now include the following advice:

Where a player in an offside position immediately impacts on an opponent who has deliberately played the ball, the match officials should prioritise challenging an opponent for the ball, and thus the offside offence of ‘interfering with an opponent by impacting on the opponent’s ability to play the ball’ should be penalised.


Accordingly, if a similar situation to the one involving Rodri’s impact on Mings occurred in a future match, then the impact would be penalised for offside.

However, it is important to remember that where a player in an offside position receives the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (e.g. a mis-placed pass or miskick), including by deliberate handball, the player is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent. Accordingly, Aston Villa’s first goal against Newcastle United on Saturday 23 January 2021 was correctly not penalised for offside as Watkins received the ball following a deliberate play by Schar and did not impact Schar’s ability to play the ball.
Source: PGMOL guidance: Offside - interfering with an opponent

Looks like from next season this will be written into law (along with 'what is immediately' will be added I suspect), but they're changing the guidance now to avoid a reoccurrence of it happening. So although it was to the letter of the law the right decision, everyone agrees it wasn't the right thing to do for 'the game' and the guidance has been adjusted accordingly.

Doesn't change the result, but it's good to see some proactive work from the powers that be in my humble..
 

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Just watching the Southampton Villa game and what a great job DS has done at Villa. Still remember Maupay last minute winner against DS Villa and didn't think they would go up. Villa that year had the squad to go up and whilst there is a lot of debate of their 'win' against Sheffield United last year when the team looking at the goal-line technology were asleep they have really progressed this year. DS would only have left us for the Villa job and equally gave us TF whom has improved us and more likely to take us to the next level. P.s Watkins is so pivotal to Villa's play.
 

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You don't need anyone's permission to re-enter if you leave the pitch momentarily. People do it to take throw-ins all the time.

Though I suspect you know this and we're just being 'clever'.

Re-entered play without the referee's permission.
 

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Villa are morphing into my 2nd team. They're playing decently now,and getting some good results. Oh, and they have a good Bees connection. HC and Asst, OW, and to a lesser extent (in my mind), EK.
 

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Speaking in today's Sunday Times about Ollie Watkins, Dean is typically generous in acknowledging Bees' role in Ollie's development:

"Every week we speak well of Ollie's performance, he is selfless in terms of his workrate," said Dean Smith, Villa's head coach, who left Brentford to join the club he supported as a boy in 2018.
"Having worked with him and [knowing] the way Brentford go about their business in terms of coaching I knew he was ready to play Premier League football."

Many another manager would claim all the credit for himself.
 

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Speaking in today's Sunday Times about Ollie Watkins, Dean is typically generous in acknowledging Bees' role in Ollie's development:

"Every week we speak well of Ollie's performance, he is selfless in terms of his workrate," said Dean Smith, Villa's head coach, who left Brentford to join the club he supported as a boy in 2018.
"Having worked with him and [knowing] the way Brentford go about their business in terms of coaching I knew he was ready to play Premier League football."

Many another manager would claim all the credit for himself.
Like Moyes, and the miracle transformation he's performed on Said.......
 

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Fairly detailed tactical analysis of his time at Brentford and Aston Villa here:


(Although I did have to Google Li Ke to remember who that was!)
 

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9th in the PL as of early April. I never thought he'd last at Villa, he is doing well especially given where they were when he took over.

Iffy form since early February though - no wins in March, but beat Fulham at the weekend. Coinciding with a certain key midfielder's absence.

It will be interesting to see how they adapt if Grealish decides to move on to better things at some stage - a friend remarked to me the other day that "Watkins doesn't get chances if Grealish isn't playing" - I imagine many fans put their success down to having a midfield talisman that actually likes the club, rather than Dean Smith's successful management.
 

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9th in the PL as of early April. I never thought he'd last at Villa, he is doing well especially given where they were when he took over.

Iffy form since early February though - no wins in March, but beat Fulham at the weekend. Coinciding with a certain key midfielder's absence.

It will be interesting to see how they adapt if Grealish decides to move on to better things at some stage - a friend remarked to me the other day that "Watkins doesn't get chances if Grealish isn't playing" - I imagine many fans put their success down to having a midfield talisman that actually likes the club, rather than Dean Smith's successful management.
When teams do well we praise players. When they don’t do well we blame the tactics and manager. It’s a football trueism.
 

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Hes doing a brilliant job.
He is doing well without doubt, and I am eating humble pie right now. Did not think he would last and thought it only a matter of time before John Terry was in the hot seat. I am pleased for him especially as he is a very decent guy, and is giving us back handed compliments by signing our players who all seem to be doing OK. Ollie Watkins was a natural fit under Smith at AV, and so it has turned out to be.
 

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"Wolves manager Nuno Espirito Santo is being lined up for a move away from Molineux by his agent Jorge Mendes, with Aston Villa emerging as a potential destination for the Portuguese boss."

According to 'Football Insider': "Dean Smith’s long-term position at Villa Park is not believed to be secure and the billionaire owners Wes Edens and Naseef Sawiris have huge ambition as well as deep pockets."

This is probably just clickbait, but if it did happen, I'd love to see Villa crash and burn from this.
 

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