Post Match Thread Derby (H) Match Reports and Reactions

[BFC1997]

For me that was like watching a pre-season match against a top flight second string.

I can see Derby’s problems - they had good rhythm to their passing at times but their XI was made up of youngsters not quite ready for men’s football and older, unfit-looking players that appeared as though they were returning from injury.

On the other hand, we looked a fitter, more balanced and more well drilled side, and clearly on top, but lacked the quality to kill the game with a final ball or a finish.

Great performances for Janelt and, as always, Henry but a few not quite hitting top gear tonight also; Dasilva, Dalsgaard, Toney.

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

janelt mom with rico close behind......marcondes awful. canos again decent especially first half and pontus supreme at the back......the problem is the midfield, jds non existent, mbuemo just does my head in,,,,,a tap in and he blazes over which is just not good enough at any level......jensen awful in that last 20.....we have not enough quality in midfield and it shows.........derby deserved the draw for their effort but they aint any good and its more us throwing away another 2 points......we could have been 3rd and instead 7th and thats the main gripe this season,,,,,,we are literally throwing away the chance to be top 2 unless we can sort this out fast......throwing it away

 

[Bridge Bee]

It was the same as every other game this season. Slow. No creativity. Players looking for the safe option only. No one willing to make something happen. Possession stats inflated by our centre halves passing to each other on the edge of our own box.

0-0 with Wycombe. 0-0 with Derby. Wonder if we can get a 0-0 at Forest.

It’s like watching a Pulis/Warnock side. Just less cynical. Plus they’ve both won promotion from this league.

Something needs to change.

 

[Simon C]

This is a season to be endured. It may be painful for us as fans to watch but I bet it's 10 times as hard for the players to get through.

 

[dermotjordan]

I think I’ve played over 1000 games. I’ve probably watched double that (including TV games). I think that might be the first game that’s not had a shot on target.

 

[SH]

First game at BCS. Great stadium design and, seriously, how atmospheric will it be when full(ish). Truly awful game. Bryan and Josh wading through treacle in wellies. Emiliano doing what Emiliano does (or doesn’t) do depending on your prejudice. Not a hint of service to Ivan, or creativity more broadly. Sergi’s renaissance continues. Janelt exemplary again. Back four untroubled with Rico looking like he’s from another planet. Seeing it live somehow makes both good and not-so-good more stark. 6/10. Story of the season so far in microcosm... and yet we’re still only three points off automatic. Bizarre season in a crazy year. Thanks to all at BFC for making live football possible again

 

[bee bee ramones]

Our midfield needs to be sorted out if we want to go anywhere.

 

[IslandBee]

I think I’ve played over 1000 games. I’ve probably watched double that (including TV games). I think that might be the first game that’s not had a shot on target.

But there was one - Marcondes from Sergi's cross first half. It wasn't a brilliant shot, probably would have been saved had it not been deflected but it was on target.

 

[IslandBee]

Our midfield needs to be sorted out if we want to go anywhere.

Yep, there is not enough movement, none are trying to find space and the passing is frequently careless.

 

[North London Bee]

OK I have calmed down now as that was not an easy watch.

Fate has transpired against us and TF is trying to do the best with what we have.

The season is long, hard and relentless and the way we normally have played in previous years requires peak fitness and non-stop running and pressing. Plus of course exceptional creative talent.

I believe that he has decided that we do not have the resources, fitness and numbers to play as we normally do and lack flair and creativity with the loss of Said who has left a massive hole in the team.

Dasilva and Mbeumo are also shadows of what they were last season.

TF has therefore decided to make the most of what he has and grind out results at home hoping that we will wear teams done and win games late on. Set pieces and even long throws are more important than ever.

We no longer go at teams non-stop but sit back and try and pick them off - as we do away from home.

The problem is it is not really working at home. We are slow starters, teams no longer fear coming to play us, the midfield is weak and disjointed and the wingers awful. Ghoddos is also a passenger so far.

TF is therefore playing to our strengths which are a solid defence and the ability to retain possession even without hurting anyone.

I cannot see this changing unless Mbeumo and Dasilva wake up, Ghoddos proves that he is a player and Norgaard gives us a bit more bite and urgency (despite Janelt playing out of his skin).

A new attacking midfielder and winger might also help in January.

Tonight was almost the nadir but I honestly see nothing changing given the circumstances and the lack of form, fitness and confidence of former key members of the team.

We just have to grin and bear it and hope something changes in terms of a couple of new recruits or players recovering form, fitness and confidence.

It is going to be a long and tough season to watch as well as no doubt, play.

We might still finish in the top six but we are not easy on the eye - but I have tried to explain why I think this is.

 

[wadbee]

But there was one - Marcondes from Sergi's cross first half. It wasn't a brilliant shot, probably would have been saved had it not been deflected but it was on target.

 

[Mr Cynical]

V dull. We started off at a decent tempo but quickly settled back into our slow, slow, slow playing around at the back. Mads to Pontus. Pontus steps forward. Foot on the ball, turn round. Pass to Mads. Mads pass to Rico, back to Raya. Pass to Pontus. Ad Infinitum. To be fair Jansson tried to liven it up by heading a few up in the air and giving the ball away but Derby were little or no threat at all and just sat back in their half and watched us pass it around. We created a few half chances for
Mbeumo and Marcondes but first half was instantly forgettable. Came out with a bit more tempo again second half and had a string of corners but couldn’t make anything out of them. Mbeumo missed a sitter as did DaSilva after probably our best move of the game. Frank replaced Marcondes and Mbeumo with Jensen and Fosu but that meant we then had no-one making forward runs other than the tiring Canos. When he finally went off that was it. Thought glory beckoned for Ghoddos with a free kick on the edge of the box but a tame effort deflected out for a corner.

So many players look shot at the moment. Josh a shadow of his earlier self was channeling end of career Jonathan Douglas, barely breaking into a trot. Henrik barely got forward and no-one got close to Toney all game. Marcondes the only one looking to make forward runs or get in the box and he gave up after 60 mins. This squad desperately needs freshening up. Maybe we need a bit of B team energy coming on late on? Cant be worse than throwing on Fosu and an overweight Ghoddos. Predictably the Frank out morons are out in force again but not sure what else he can do with what he has at his disposal at the moment. There’s no drive coming from anywhere. Just have to hope that the return of our on pitch captain gives us the spark we need...

Anyway, lovely stadium!!

 

[Travel Tavern Bee]

Great to be there tonight , Great stadium and set up . Very Very professional.

The game , Meh . Oh well . I remember some team from SW6 playing pretty sh*t for most of last season and look what happened to them ? Yes there’s no zip or free flow to our game and it’s frustrating to watch , Maybe we go back in for Bannan in Jan , Need something to freshen it up but not a player for the future , somebody who’s doing it now , but they cost money and it’s easy to spend when it’s not yours . BM should have buried that chance as should JDS . Derby great bit of time wasting and the ref was a total tit .
But I will say something, what the f*** do people go and just constantly moan all game , please just f*** off , And the **** in the fake Stone island gear shouting Frank out , Give your head a good old wobble .

Night all . You Reds

 

[IslandBee]

the midfield is weak and disjointed and the wingers awful.

Think your analysis is probably right and glad you calmed down from the earlier post but you're still being very harsh on Sergi there, who has been one of the few bright sparks last two games

 

[Simon C]

I think people should prepare be prepared for performances to get worse before they get better. We are about to hit the crazy Christmas schedule and everyone else bar Stoke gets a midweek off in 2 weeks time while we prepare for a Cup QF (hopefully) infront of fans which we have to go for.

Hitting the end of January still in contention and not missing key players through injury may be the best we can hope for and possibly the plan all along.

Still absolutely dire and depressing to watch though but some clubs are this bad or worse all the time!

 

[North London Bee]

Think your analysis is probably right and glad you calmed down from the earlier post but you're still being very harsh on Sergi there, who has been one of the few bright sparks last two games

it is a fair cop re Sergi who has been the bright spark of the last two matches but overall they HAVE been awful all season and Brian is beyond words at the moment unfortunately.

 

[BeesManMax]

Even worse in person than it’s looked all season on tv- like many have said, slow and pedestrian and we could have played all night without creating a single chance.

mbuemo fluffed his lines when we eventually got a lucky break that fell his way, unfortunately that just sums him up at the moment.

It’s all well and good some fans saying we’re over exaggerating bla bla but this is truly awful, we’ve genuinely not been this poor on the ball from a creative perspective since we came up ( and probably a few seasons prior to that)

Yes, this season is different, but the basic principles have disappeared. I honestly can’t remember too many saves any keeper has made this season, we create nothing.

 

[Herbert]

Got to say.
We are in a good position but this season as been frustrating. Too many points thrown away already.

Derby were sh*t. There for the taking. We created enough and should have been out of sight.

What was all that flashing lights sh*t and over loud music when the players were coming out. Hope that’s never done again

 

[wadbee]

OK I have calmed down now as that was not an easy watch.

Fate has transpired against us and TF is trying to do the best with what we have.

The season is long, hard and relentless and the way we normally have played in previous years requires peak fitness and non-stop running and pressing. Plus of course exceptional creative talent.

I believe that he has decided that we do not have the resources, fitness and numbers to play as we normally do and lack flair and creativity with the loss of Said who has left a massive hole in the team.

Dasilva and Mbeumo are also shadows of what they were last season.

TF has therefore decided to make the most of what he has and grind out results at home hoping that we will wear teams done and win games late on. Set pieces and even long throws are more important than ever.

We no longer go at teams non-stop but sit back and try and pick them off - as we do away from home.

The problem is it is not really working at home. We are slow starters, teams no longer fear coming to play us, the midfield is weak and disjointed and the wingers awful. Ghoddos is also a passenger so far.

TF is therefore playing to our strengths which are a solid defence and the ability to retain possession even without hurting anyone.

I cannot see this changing unless Mbeumo and Dasilva wake up, Ghoddos proves that he is a player and Norgaard gives us a bit more bite and urgency (despite Janelt playing out of his skin).

A new attacking midfielder and winger might also help in January.

Tonight was almost the nadir but I honestly see nothing changing given the circumstances and the lack of form, fitness and confidence of former key members of the team.

We just have to grin and bear it and hope something changes in terms of a couple of new recruits or players recovering form, fitness and confidence.

It is going to be a long and tough season to watch as well as no doubt, play.

We might still finish in the top six but we are not easy on the eye - but I have tried to explain why I think this is.

It doesn't help when he takes our best two players off in Canos & Janelt. The league is there for the taking and we have drawn five of our last six home games AND SCORED THREE GOALS IN THE PROCESS ! Forss got ten minutes included added time ? TF needs to have a weekend off to clear his muddled thinking and Bryan & Josh told they won't be considered for selection again until January 2nd !

 

[Vid]

Cracked the problem

 

[Herbert]

Even worse in person than it’s looked all season on tv- like many have said, slow and pedestrian and we could have played all night without creating a single chance.

mbuemo fluffed his lines when we eventually got a lucky break that fell his way, unfortunately that just sums him up at the moment.

It’s all well and good some fans saying we’re over exaggerating bla bla but this is truly awful, we’ve genuinely not been this poor on the ball from a creative perspective since we came up ( and probably a few seasons prior to that)

Yes, this season is different, but the basic principles have disappeared. I honestly can’t remember too many saves any keeper has made this season, we create nothing.

We created enough to be out of sight. And have in a number of games we’ve thrown away so far

 

[taxi driver]

janelt mom with rico close behind......marcondes awful. canos again decent especially first half and pontus supreme at the back......the problem is the midfield, jds non existent, mbuemo just does my head in,,,,,a tap in and he blazes over which is just not good enough at any level......jensen awful in that last 20.....we have not enough quality in midfield and it shows.........derby deserved the draw for their effort but they aint any good and its more us throwing away another 2 points......we could have been 3rd and instead 7th and thats the main gripe this season,,,,,,we are literally throwing away the chance to be top 2 unless we can sort this out fast......throwing it away

Jensen did play a fantastic through ball to Canos that split Derby open. Sergi took the wrong option however.
I don't recall too much from others mind.

 

[mundee4england]

OK I have calmed down now as that was not an easy watch.

Fate has transpired against us and TF is trying to do the best with what we have.

The season is long, hard and relentless and the way we normally have played in previous years requires peak fitness and non-stop running and pressing. Plus of course exceptional creative talent.

I believe that he has decided that we do not have the resources, fitness and numbers to play as we normally do and lack flair and creativity with the loss of Said who has left a massive hole in the team.

Dasilva and Mbeumo are also shadows of what they were last season.

TF has therefore decided to make the most of what he has and grind out results at home hoping that we will wear teams done and win games late on. Set pieces and even long throws are more important than ever.

We no longer go at teams non-stop but sit back and try and pick them off - as we do away from home.

The problem is it is not really working at home. We are slow starters, teams no longer fear coming to play us, the midfield is weak and disjointed and the wingers awful. Ghoddos is also a passenger so far.

TF is therefore playing to our strengths which are a solid defence and the ability to retain possession even without hurting anyone.

I cannot see this changing unless Mbeumo and Dasilva wake up, Ghoddos proves that he is a player and Norgaard gives us a bit more bite and urgency (despite Janelt playing out of his skin).

A new attacking midfielder and winger might also help in January.

Tonight was almost the nadir but I honestly see nothing changing given the circumstances and the lack of form, fitness and confidence of former key members of the team.

We just have to grin and bear it and hope something changes in terms of a couple of new recruits or players recovering form, fitness and confidence.

It is going to be a long and tough season to watch as well as no doubt, play.

We might still finish in the top six but we are not easy on the eye - but I have tried to explain why I think this is.

A fair and I suspect accurate reflection. My hope and belief is that we are facing these challenges and are still in touch with the top two. I also think we will improve when Norgaard is back as the midfield will get rested and more balanced. Hang in there and then kick on for a top four finish! (Fingers crossed)

 

[BeesManMax]

We created enough to be out of sight. And have in a number of games we’ve thrown away so far

Sorry I completely disagree, the ball fell to mbuemo once from a long ball forward, we don’t work anything

 

[Herbert]

Sorry I completely disagree, the ball fell to mbuemo once from a long ball forward, we don’t work anything

He had 2 proper chances, 1 each half. Da Silva said, and Marcondes 1st half....that’s at least 4 proper chances

 

[Banana]

, mbuemo just does my head in,,,,,a tap in and he blazes over which is just not good enough at

A tap-in? He was 14 yards out and the ball bounced above his thigh. Granted he could have done better with a bit of composure. But a tap in?

 

[cromerbee]

Sorry I completely disagree, the ball fell to mbuemo once from a long ball forward, we don’t work anything

Mbuemo should have scored two. One just before half time and the sitter in the second half that clipped the bar. De Silva should have converted a Canos cross too.

 

[Ace Face]

Best times ever to be supporting BFC in a fantastic league, in a great stadium and with money in to cover this seasons losses and next seasons as well.
We are struggling a bit for form in some areas, but plugging away within touching distance of top place.
Yet the rare times I look at social media related to BFC, I think we must be a team in crisis by the negativity posted.
The playing staff will keep working on our system and the budget will be looked at for assistance if possible.
Have a good Xmas all!

 

[cromerbee]

I agree. I had a quick look at Tw@ter just now and it's a disgrace!!

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

A tap-in? He was 14 yards out and the ball bounced above his thigh. Granted he could have done better with a bit of composure. But a tap in?

yep a tap in,.why is he trying to break the net ??? could have done better is a bit of an understatement......toney did all the hard work by winning that header and putting it on a plate for him.......at that level its a very poor miss and thats official ;}

 

[Friji]

We created enough to be out of sight. And have in a number of games we’ve thrown away so far

0 shots on target tells a story of it's own. We had a firm grip on the game for long periods but as with many games this season we look absolutely lost in the final third.

 

[cromerbee]

yep a tap in,.why is he trying to break the net ??? could have done better is a bit of an understatement......toney did all the hard work by winning that header and putting it on a plate for him.......at that level its a very poor miss and thats official ;}

I agree- he had to hit it down. Open goal- bad miss and he k ew it.

 

[vcmazz]

I think I’ve played over 1000 games. I’ve probably watched double that (including TV games). I think that might be the first game that’s not had a shot on target.

Nonsense. Exeter away. 1975/76. Some people have such short memories.

 

[vcmazz]

Blackburngate now this. We should be second. But at least we're not in the play off zone.

 

[abeeforever]

Very poor tonight, even Derby have worked out how to stop us playing, we have lost our flowing style of play, things need to change if we are serious about promotion.

 

[AB]

Jensen did play a fantastic through ball to Canos that split Derby open. Sergi took the wrong option however.
I don't recall too much from others mind.

I think at that point Sergi was knackered so took the extra touch when a first time cross would have opened them up.

We should and could have won that but it was far from the worst performance or spectacle when compared to some of the dross we managed with Said and Ollie in the good old days of last season. I remember walking away from Deepdale thinking we looked absolutely hopeless and wouldn’t have scored if there’d been half an hour of extra time. We followed that by being toothless against a dreadful Stoke side. We were poor at home to Hull and Huddersfield. Woeful until the 80th minute against Millwall at home. Barely turned up in a1-0 away at Blackburn. That took us to 18 games in (one more than now) and W8 D3 L7- a point behind today’s total and with a bucketful of performances worse than tonight’s or Saturday’s including against teams right down the bottom.

 

[Herbert]

0 shots on target tells a story of it's own. We had a firm grip on the game for long periods but as with many games this season we look absolutely lost in the final third.

Poor finishing tonight, as in other games

 

[Mr Cynical]

Very poor tonight, even Derby have worked out how to stop us playing, we have lost our flowing style of play, things need to change if we are serious about promotion.

Derby though just sat back, made no attempt to win the game and had some time wasting tactics that even Karanka would be embarrassed by. We had the chances to win and if Mbeumo or Josh put one of those away we'd have probably walked it. V frustrating but that's the way it is. We clearly need a bit of a freshen up but long way to go before that can happen. Expect plenty more of these games as December trundles on. Remember over the last few seasons we've rarely won the third game in a week and now we're playing three every week. In reality we're doing well to be keeping in contact, NLB hit the nail on the head, we've adapted our tactics to help get us through the games but my god, it is BORING! If I see Pontus look to step up into midfield, only to stop and turn around and pass it slowly across the pitch to Mads/Pinnock again I think I'll scream!! And don't get me started on those 'long throws'.....

 

[Leicester Bee]

Frank out, he's clueless.
Worst performance I can ever remember seeing.
Players aren't up for it.
Why are we selling our best players?
Derby the worst team in the division and we couldn't muster a shot on target.
Frank has lost the dressing room.















Just a small selection of views on social media. I think I'm done with social media from now on.

 

[LP_Brentford]

Less said the better, was just happy I got the chance to experience the new stadium.

In all honesty, I think Canos has unfairly become an easy target. He gives his absolute all every game, sometimes it’s not enough but he had a good game on the weekend and wasn’t one of our worst players by any means tonight.

Ghodos though, what does he do?! Looks so sluggish and lacking sharpness.

Marcondes needs to build on doing the simple things well, looks out his depth in all honesty.

As Dalsgaard is getting older, I think the games are starting to catch up on him now.

 

[Mr Cynical]

Less said the better, was just happy I got the chance to experience the new stadium.

In all honesty, I think Canos has unfairly become an easy target. He gives his absolute all every game, sometimes it’s not enough but he had a good game on the weekend and wasn’t one of our worst players by any means tonight.

Canos was one of best players tonight.. All of our best play came through him or Janelt. He's been one of the few bright sparks last couple of games..

 

[LP_Brentford]

Canos was one of best players tonight.. All of our best play came through him or Janelt. He's been one of the few bright sparks last couple of games..

Janelt really looks to be some player! You just never know...!

 

[liverbee]

Canos was very good, brilliant perhaps, but he started making the wrong decisions sixty odd minutes in. We had some misses, especially from Bryan, who expects more of himself. What worries me more is some wayward passing and some quick moves where players were on different scripts and just didn't come off. The quick stuff needs practice. Apart from a miss, Toney was brilliant all over, as was Janelt. So was Rico. You can't win them all, so stop moaning. We all feel a bit deflated.

 

[condorman]

Derby were rubbish, we had two good flurries and Two great chances and should have won 2-0. The longer the game went on the more it felt like Derby would sneak one, particularly given our special tactic of giving away free kicks near our box

Henry and Janelt excellent, Raya and Pontus fine. Everyone else off their game. Toney isolated and held the ball poorly for once, JDS had a shocker tbh. Sergi had the odd good moment but not where it actually mattered.

I know we are ten games unbeaten but we look a bit like we are hanging in there tbh, and waiting for reinforcements. Our attacking triangles have gone and there is little understanding between our front players and this is a problem.

 

[Bixer]

Delighted to be one of the lucky few in the stadium tonight. I don’t care, I’d have bitten your hand off to watch a turgid 0-0 in the flesh barely more than a month ago when live football pre-Spring 2021 seemed like a pipe dream.

On another day we win that 2-0 and everyone’s praising an industrial performance that gets the job done in the midst of the busiest footballing month of the year. No our attacking play wasn’t inspiring, but we comfortably kept Derby at bay and I was never concerned about us losing our clean sheet.

10 unbeaten in this division is nothing to turn your nose up at. A few too many draws in there, yes, but the fact we’re still only 3 points off an automatic promotion spot proves that everyone is struggling a bit this season. If we can stay within touching distance then there is plenty of time for us to get our mojo back.

 

[condorman]

OK I have calmed down now as that was not an easy watch.

Fate has transpired against us and TF is trying to do the best with what we have.

The season is long, hard and relentless and the way we normally have played in previous years requires peak fitness and non-stop running and pressing. Plus of course exceptional creative talent.

I believe that he has decided that we do not have the resources, fitness and numbers to play as we normally do and lack flair and creativity with the loss of Said who has left a massive hole in the team.

Dasilva and Mbeumo are also shadows of what they were last season.

TF has therefore decided to make the most of what he has and grind out results at home hoping that we will wear teams done and win games late on. Set pieces and even long throws are more important than ever.

We no longer go at teams non-stop but sit back and try and pick them off - as we do away from home.

The problem is it is not really working at home. We are slow starters, teams no longer fear coming to play us, the midfield is weak and disjointed and the wingers awful. Ghoddos is also a passenger so far.

TF is therefore playing to our strengths which are a solid defence and the ability to retain possession even without hurting anyone.

I cannot see this changing unless Mbeumo and Dasilva wake up, Ghoddos proves that he is a player and Norgaard gives us a bit more bite and urgency (despite Janelt playing out of his skin).

A new attacking midfielder and winger might also help in January.

Tonight was almost the nadir but I honestly see nothing changing given the circumstances and the lack of form, fitness and confidence of former key members of the team.

We just have to grin and bear it and hope something changes in terms of a couple of new recruits or players recovering form, fitness and confidence.

It is going to be a long and tough season to watch as well as no doubt, play.

We might still finish in the top six but we are not easy on the eye - but I have tried to explain why I think this is.

a Fulham fan messaged me suggesting we are trying to go up by playing Parkerball (stale insipid football with no real pattern or quality). Unfortunately it was hard to disagree

 

[North London Bee]

a Fulham fan messaged me suggesting we are trying to go up by playing Parkerball (stale insipid football with no real pattern or quality). Unfortunately it was hard to disagree

If it works then so be it.

 

[Banana]

particularly given our special tactic of giving away free kicks near our box

Brian went mad when the last one was given away. He was pounding his seat with his fists

 

[cd1994]

Read a lot on the forum without posting much but here's my thought on tonight for what they are worth: Janelt looks like a Rolls Royce in the middle of the park, Sergi was bright but faded out towards the end which was understandable, Rico was 8 out of 10 as per, Bryan missed a decent chance but it wasn't quite the horror miss that everyone is making it out to be, Ivan had a quiet match with limited service but still had some nice touches and hold up play from him was good. Ghoddos still looks a long way off match fitness, not only match sharpness but visibly isn't match fit.

 

[condorman]

Brian went mad when the last one was given away. He was pounding his seat with his fists

he should maybe tell them not to do it instead