Did Aldershot once wear an England kit against Brentford?

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Saw a post on a Twitter football nostalgia page of an England third kit, all sky blue, from between Euro 88 and Italia 90 I think, which England apparently never wore. But someone put in the comments that the only time it was played in was when Aldershot turned up at Brentford without their away kit, dashed to a local sports shop, and that's what they played in. Did this actually happen or do I smell BS?
 

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If it did happen, would the sports shop have been Arnold’s?
 

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Saw a post on a Twitter football nostalgia page of an England third kit, all sky blue, from between Euro 88 and Italia 90 I think, which England apparently never wore. But someone put in the comments that the only time it was played in was when Aldershot turned up at Brentford without their away kit, dashed to a local sports shop, and that's what they played in. Did this actually happen or do I smell BS?

Didn't this happen from time to time (or the ref complains) and the norm was the home club lends the away team one of their very locally available kits?
 

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Didn't this happen from time to time (or the ref complains) and the norm was the home club lends the away team one of their very locally available kits?
Like the yellow shorts vs Gillingham away scenario. Ref didn’t want both teams in black shorts so I believe we used Gillingham’s away kit shorts.

Bit excessive to make a team buy an entire new kit pre match from a local sports shop. Unless ref and said sports shop owner were in cahoots?
 

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Yep, they sure did. If my memory is correct
It was in March 1978 at GP and their kit was the exact
replica of the England Admiral kit of the late 1970's. Think we
won either 2-0 or 2-1 in our promotion year. From what I
remember, the crowd was something like 11k.
 

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Yep, they sure did. If my memory is correct
It was in March 1978 at GP and their kit was the exact
replica of the England Admiral kit of the late 1970's. Think we
won either 2-0 or 2-1 in our promotion year. From what I
remember, the crowd was something like 11k.
If that was the year, it would have been Easter time as the Boxing Day game at The Wreck, saw Andy Mac sent off thanks to Joe Joplin, who then got untold grief in the game at GP.
 

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If that was the year, it would have been Easter time as the Boxing Day game at The Wreck, saw Andy Mac sent off thanks to Joe Joplin, who then got untold grief in the game at GP.

Yep you're absolutely right. It was an Easter match. I was at the Rec
when big Andy was sent off, I think that Joplin bloke was the Shots captain,
and received all sorts of abuse from the Bees fans at GP.
 

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Yep you're absolutely right. It was an Easter match. I was at the Rec
when big Andy was sent off, I think that Joplin bloke was the Shots captain,
and received all sorts of abuse from the Bees fans at GP.

Did Doug Alder get sent off for handbags in the Aldershot game at GP? I have a vague memory but it was out of character for him, God he was a great winger
 

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Did Doug Alder get sent off for handbags in the Aldershot game at GP? I have a vague memory but it was out of character for him, God he was a great winger

I don't know about Doug Alder, but Doug Allder was famously sent off in the notorious match v Sheff Utd. A match under lights that no-one that was there will ever forget #alfgrey
 

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I remember a Good Friday game at GP vs Aldershot .. but in those days would a sports shop be open on Good Friday. I think we did win 2-0 . What time does Wanderer Paul wake up ? , he’ll know!
 
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Cheers all. If Mudbone is correct then, and I really hope he is, it looks like it may well have happened and the Twitter poster had his eras wrong, as it was definitely a late 80s era England kit being discussed. Mudbone, do you recall what colour the kit was? Only according to this http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/international/england/england-1960-1983.html England had a sky blue third kit in 1970 and 1986 but not in between. Banana is correct about it happening from time to time though - even in the early days of the Premier League I remember Chelsea wearing Coventry's away kit for a game at Highfield Road. Here's a footnote question: Not including just changes of shorts or socks, have Brentford ever had to wear another team's shirts due to their own kit clashing/getting lost en route etc etc?
 

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I remember us playing Colchester United away,a game that was to be shown on the big match.

Not every boy had a colour telly in those days and our Red and White stripes would have been indistinguishable on the box with ColU's blue and white stripes

Our away kit at the time was blue so we played the game in QPR's red away kit
 

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I don't know about Doug Alder, but Doug Allder was famously sent off in the notorious match v Sheff Utd. A match under lights that no-one that was there will ever forget #alfgrey

That's the one, many thanks for the corrections re spelling the surname and the match I was erring too.

That'll teach me to post beyond matrons call for lights out.

Do you have hard evidence to back up the last sentence, it's not like you to use hyperbole. ;)
 
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I remember a Good Friday game at GP vs Aldershot .. but in those days would a sports shop be open on Good Friday. I think we did win 2-0 . What time does Wanderer Paul wake up ? , he’ll know!

Sorry, but I don’t remember this game in 1977/78, I was only 12! ;)

I checked the Easter Monday Programme from 1978 - Aldershot down to wear White shirts - and the following programmes. There isn’t a reference to the shirt colours worn by the Shots.

One person who might know is HertfordBee. :idea:

I wonder if his diaries/stat records included away team colours? Hopefully they do!?
 

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Cheers all. If Mudbone is correct then, and I really hope he is, it looks like it may well have happened and the Twitter poster had his eras wrong, as it was definitely a late 80s era England kit being discussed. Mudbone, do you recall what colour the kit was? Only according to this http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/international/england/england-1960-1983.html England had a sky blue third kit in 1970 and 1986 but not in between. Banana is correct about it happening from time to time though - even in the early days of the Premier League I remember Chelsea wearing Coventry's away kit for a game at Highfield Road. Here's a footnote question: Not including just changes of shorts or socks, have Brentford ever had to wear another team's shirts due to their own kit clashing/getting lost en route etc etc?

Brentford have worn other club strips away from home where there’s a clash of colours or have been asked to change at the last minute. Fulham Away? Col U away - as mentioned. I’m sure there are other instances of this happening.
 

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I don't know about Doug Alder, but Doug Allder was famously sent off in the notorious match v Sheff Utd. A match under lights that no-one that was there will ever forget #alfgrey

You can't mention Alf Grey without adding :very angry::banghead:
 

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I remember us playing Colchester United away,a game that was to be shown on the big match.

Not every boy had a colour telly in those days and our Red and White stripes would have been indistinguishable on the box with ColU's blue and white stripes

Our away kit at the time was blue so we played the game in QPR's red away kit

Yep, red and black hoops with the Rangers’ bage on the shirt. All these years i’ve tried to lose that memory. Dark day for the club!
 

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I have vague memories of seeing Aldershot looking like the England 1982 World Cup team, white Admiral shirt with the blue and red bits at the top.

I just assumed they were using as a home shirt England's red strip, with blue and white bits at the top, as it matched their traditional colours. So England's white shirt was a logical choice of second strip.
 

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Yep, red and black hoops with the Rangers’ bage on the shirt. All these years i’ve tried to lose that memory. Dark day for the club!

That's the first I've heard of this.

Shocking

:very angry:
 

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No, my memory was wrong. It was 1978 vintage England, the the blue/red stripe down the sleeve, not Admiral. Oh, I give up.
 

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Sorry, but I don’t remember this game in 1977/78, I was only 12! ;)

I checked the Easter Monday Programme from 1978 - Aldershot down to wear White shirts - and the following programmes. There isn’t a reference to the shirt colours worn by the Shots.

One person who might know is HertfordBee. :idea:

I wonder if his diaries/stat records included away team colours? Hopefully they do!?

12?!!!!! Pesky kids. You need to get some in young man!!
 

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That's the one, many thanks for the corrections re spelling the surname and the match I was erring too.

That'll teach me to post beyond matrons call for lights out.

Do you have hard evidence to back up the last sentence, it's not like you to use hyperbole. ;)

It was kicking off on and off the pitch and GP was more like Galatasary that night with incredible noise and support especially after Dougie had his spat with Micky Speight if I recall.
 

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I don't know about Doug Alder, but Doug Allder was famously sent off in the notorious match v Sheff Utd. A match under lights that no-one that was there will ever forget #alfgrey

That's the one, many thanks for the corrections re spelling the surname and the match I was erring too.

That'll teach me to post beyond matrons call for lights out.

Do you have hard evidence to back up the last sentence, it's not like you to use hyperbole. ;)

With apologies, I will answer my own query as the memories of a Monday night under floodlights come flooding back, the retaken penalty after Len Bond saved the first, the Allder v Speight title decider on the halfway line in front of us in the Braemar Stand. There's also a missed/saved penalty by us in the memory bank too, or is that my mind remembering bollox (please correct me if I am wrong on that)

And sincere apologies for veering off topic
 

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Aldershot's home kit in 1977/8 was the Admiral England away kit - red v neck shirts with the the blue and white trim down each arm. I would pressume therefore that they used the white England home version as their away kit and would have worn that for the game at Griffin Park rather than dashing down to Arnolds.
 

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Brentford have worn other club strips away from home where there’s a clash of colours or have been asked to change at the last minute. Fulham Away? Col U away - as mentioned. I’m sure there are other instances of this happening.

I saw us play in a horrible bottle green kit somewhere in the mid/late 70's so must have been Watford, Gillingham, Swindon, Reading or Aldershot as we only did local ones then.
 

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I saw us play in a horrible bottle green kit somewhere in the mid/late 70's so must have been Watford, Gillingham, Swindon, Reading or Aldershot as we only did local ones then.

Wore green at Exeter for the 7-1 didn't we?

But as you say you only did local games so it couldn't have been that one.

From your list it must have been Swindon or Aldershot, who play in red.
 

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Cheers all. If Mudbone is correct then, and I really hope he is, it looks like it may well have happened and the Twitter poster had his eras wrong, as it was definitely a late 80s era England kit being discussed. Mudbone, do you recall what colour the kit was? Only according to this http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/international/england/england-1960-1983.html England had a sky blue third kit in 1970 and 1986 but not in between. Banana is correct about it happening from time to time though - even in the early days of the Premier League I remember Chelsea wearing Coventry's away kit for a game at Highfield Road. Here's a footnote question: Not including just changes of shorts or socks, have Brentford ever had to wear another team's shirts due to their own kit clashing/getting lost en route etc etc?

I can assure you the Shots wore the replica England kit at GP in 1978.
I remember standing in the New Road with my brother, the Aldershot
captain Joplin (the guy who was responsible for Andy Mac's sending off at the Rec)
led his team out to a chorus of boos from the whole stadium. Joplin then
decided to give a sarcastic wave to the crowd which really infuriated the fans.

I remember my brother and I piss*d ourselves by Joplin's antics and then
we laughed even more when we saw Aldershot's kit !!! We couldn't
believe it was exactly the same kit as England - my bruv had that same kit at home!
The kit was White shirt with red and royal blue piping on both sleeves, the collar was white
with a thin red and royal blue stripe. Shorts were royal blue with white and red trimmings
along the sides and socks were white with a thin red and royal blue trimmings.
That was the kit Aldershot had wore that day at GP in 1978.
 

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But it may well have been their standard away strip for 1977/78. The Admiral brand. The Home shirt was all red, like the England Away kit. It wasn’t what the original poster was thinking of though, IMO.

I’m not by my stuff, Programmes etc, so can’t check the 1980’s out.

This is Aldershot 1977/78 - Red Admiral Home shirt. The Away was similar to England’s Home strip.

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Didn't we play in Watford's strip for an FA Cup first round game at GP against Woking in 67/68? In those days a colour clash meant both sides had to change. We lost at Watford in the next round.
 

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Didn't we play in Watford's strip for an FA Cup first round game at GP against Woking in 67/68? In those days a colour clash meant both sides had to change. We lost at Watford in the next round.

There was a strange FA Cup rule a few years back, when we played Camberley Town, that if there is a colour clash, and the away team doesn't want to change, then both teams have to change.
So we played in yellow and blue.
 

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There was a strange FA Cup rule a few years back, when we played Camberley Town, that if there is a colour clash, and the away team doesn't want to change, then both teams have to change.
So we played in yellow and blue.

I believe Windsor and Eton thought that this would get the edge on us. Oh well.
 

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Saw a post on a Twitter football nostalgia page of an England third kit, all sky blue, from between Euro 88 and Italia 90 I think, which England apparently never wore. But someone put in the comments that the only time it was played in was when Aldershot turned up at Brentford without their away kit, dashed to a local sports shop, and that's what they played in. Did this actually happen or do I smell BS?

The 1988/89 programme, from the Aldershot match on 1 April, shows the Shots were down to play in Blue. A photo in a later home programme shows a Shots player but it doesn’t look like the blue England kit of the period. The Boxing Day match, the previous season, doesn’t mention a change of strip for the Shots either. So, it might be a load of bull.

Still hoping HertfordBee sees this thread!
 

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Love these nostalgia threads.
 

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Cheers all. If Mudbone is correct then, and I really hope he is, it looks like it may well have happened and the Twitter poster had his eras wrong, as it was definitely a late 80s era England kit being discussed. Mudbone, do you recall what colour the kit was? Only according to this http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/international/england/england-1960-1983.html England had a sky blue third kit in 1970 and 1986 but not in between. Banana is correct about it happening from time to time though - even in the early days of the Premier League I remember Chelsea wearing Coventry's away kit for a game at Highfield Road. Here's a footnote question: Not including just changes of shorts or socks, have Brentford ever had to wear another team's shirts due to their own kit clashing/getting lost en route etc etc?

It was April 1989. They turned up in a light blue Umbro kit that was the same style as England’s 1988 Euro champs kit but there was no England badge on it. We won 3-0.
 

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It was April 1989. They turned up in a light blue Umbro kit that was the same style as England’s 1988 Euro champs kit but there was no England badge on it. We won 3-0.

That’s the one I mentioned above. The picture in the following programme shows the kit but it isn’t the England badged one. :sorted:
 

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Didn't we wear green that day.
We wore light blue with dark blue trim.
Windsor kit was green with red trim, and we slaughtered them.
 
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