Email from Jon Varney re Away Fans in Home Areas

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cap the number of times you can transfer (to a member) or put on the exchange, if it remains unused for more than those times then no right to renew.
Agree. Definitely think there should be a cap.
 

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Club stance on this would be very much dependent on which division we're in IMHO.....
 

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Regular offender means he just supports whoever we're playing? Surely doing that more than once is grounds to say thanks for the money but we're taking your ticket back
Now we’ll find out he’s a long term fan who’s merely doing an eccentric protest about Jensen’s inclusion in the team and how Fosu has been frozen out by supporting our opponents until something is done about it.
 

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The whole situation is a conundrum. A lot of the possible solutions do not fit well with me but something does have to be done.

Season Tickets... A lot of ST are shared. It makes sense for some fans, those who work shifts for example who want to sit with a mate to have a ST and to lend it to other Brentford supporting mates when they cant attend.

A lot of ST holders travel a fare distance and probably can not do midweek matches.

We want the Exchange to be used so that the stadium is full and we dont have empty seats.

Its probably both a fact that we currently DONT NEED new supporters with no connection to BFC and that we do need to prioritise our own offspring.

I DO think that the club should monitor the usage of ST and to draw up a target list of those that possibly should be withdrawn for being under used / always on the Exchange.

My solution would be NOT to have a one size fits all membership scheme. Members need to be catagorised.

Premium Members - those who have accured a set threshold of Taps.

Overseas Members - those who follow the club from overseas... I can think of quite a few really loyal Bees fans, with a proper history of supporting the club at GP. This category could be divided into Gold, Silver and Bronze depending on TAPS / current status and these fans for there past endeavours should be given some priority access to tickets.

Golden Membership - for non ST holders with high TAPS... Ideal for shift workers. Access to Category A games.

Full Membership - as above but for those with lower taps

Associate Membership - for those sho want to join our family. No access to Category A games. Unfair, YES but they have the chance to build up thier TAPS by doing the leg work that others have done watching EFL football matches and therefore a route to obtaining golden membership in the future. (Its also fairer than charging them £40 for a membership if they ticket options are limited).

Junior Membership - Parents should be able to use thier TAPS to buy tickets (home and away) for their children. These kids can then occur their own taps for matches attended to be used when they turn 18 or travel independently. A season ticket holder should also be able to jump the ST queue when there child comes of age... Think about a thirty year old Brentford fan who has been going for twenty years... They have a child tomorrow and in five years time they want to bond with thier child at football, possibly like they did with thier own father.

The fact is we are now succesful and we should have a waiting list. We should prioritise and look after our long standing fans. It is wrong that new members, who live local can just rock up at the ticket office (wearing Liverpool scarves) to buy tickets that they can then sell on at a profit).
 

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Not enough categories @'Ayes B . Need at least 300 more.

And where are the rules about who is entitled to what?
 

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Not enough categories @'Ayes B . Need at least 300 more.

And where are the rules about who is entitled to what?

I cant think of a one size fits all solution. Having 40k members isnt the answer.

The paramaters would have to be reset each year but for starters...

Golden Membership. - 1000 taps - £40
Full Membership 100 - 999 taps - £30
Associate Membership 0 - 99 taps £20
Junior Membership - £10 (priority through friends and family or own taps)

Overseas Membership - dependent of previous support (looking after peeps such as Edmundo, the Norwiegen Bees and Irish Bees) - they probably would all qualify as full members on the above. The category could be dropped but it is important tgat we consider these fans when looking for a real solution).
 

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I'm in Premium & it is a problem, but one that I think you have to accept. Any away supporter who doesn't want to sit with the neanderthals in the away end has no alternative than Premium, however you would expect that anyone paying £125.00 a ticket would either be of an older,more sensible or respectful disposition. The angry exchanges I have seen have been from groups of twenty-somethings on a jolly probably paid for by their employers as a bonus.
It seems that the "neanderthals" are not necessarily in the away end and you have them in your vicinity.

Neanderthals = what a horrible term for a fellow football fan.
Are we Neanderthals when watching Brentford away from home?
 

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My grandson is six and loves football. He wears his Brentford kit all the time and would love to go to games. Apart from cup games of course this will be logistically difficult as my ST is in the West stand. There will be games when one of our group is not able to attend and he could use their ST but my son became a regular at the age of seven and has hardly missed a game in 33 years and my grandson may not get that opportunity. Perhaps there should be a Star Chamber who consider ST applications on their individual merits.
 

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cap the number of times you can transfer (to a member) or put on the exchange, if it remains unused for more than those times then no right to renew.
Agree to a point but there need to be caveats.
With Saturday 3pm KOs seemingly the exception rather than the norm these days it is very difficult for long distance fans to attend midweek games.
One of our group of 6 STs has this problem & has been to more aways ,(all bar Southampton) than homes.
Easily verifiable via TAPS, years a ST holder at GP etc
There are ways to sort the genuine fans out from the chancers, just needs a bit of looking into from the club on a case by case basis
 

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My grandson is six and loves football. He wears his Brentford kit all the time and would love to go to games. Apart from cup games of course this will be logistically difficult as my ST is in the West stand. There will be games when one of our group is not able to attend and he could use their ST but my son became a regular at the age of seven and has hardly missed a game in 33 years and my grandson may not get that opportunity. Perhaps there should be a Star Chamber who consider ST applications on their individual merits.
My youngest is 7.
He has had a season ticket for 4 years now.
He can't wait for next Saturday and he hasn't touched his haribos or drunk my bottle of cola in the fridge as they are "for next Saturday Daddy when we play Wolves"
If you want to take children or grandchildren on a regular basis then you have to make changes to your normal routine.
Get a season ticket in the family stand and then you can take him every week.
It will be worth it.
 

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I cant think of a one size fits all solution. Having 40k members isnt the answer.

The paramaters would have to be reset each year but for starters...

Golden Membership. - 1000 taps - £40
Full Membership 100 - 999 taps - £30
Associate Membership 0 - 99 taps £20
Junior Membership - £10 (priority through friends and family or own taps)

Overseas Membership - dependent of previous support (looking after peeps such as Edmundo, the Norwiegen Bees and Irish Bees) - they probably would all qualify as full members on the above. The category could be dropped but it is important tgat we consider these fans when looking for a real solution).
So the more loyal you've been, the more you get fleeced.

Useful life lesson
 

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So the more loyal you've been, the more you get fleeced.

Useful life lesson
Actually Steve i see it the other way.

Firstly... A Golden memember would pay the same as they do now...

Secondly it was anticipated that Golden members would have first opportunity to buy matchday tickets.

The other memembership bands would have a lesser chance of tickets... Probably no chance for a Category A game and this was reflected in the suggested price band.

As previously stated their is no simple solution but it cant be right that new fans are being fleeced for £40 membership when the club are giving them an opportunity to attend for the first time, in February against Newcastle. If they dont get another chance of a ticket thats £80 for one game.

My overiding view is that the club need to look after the fans we had when were in the EFL as they will be the fans that they have if they ever get relegated.
 

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The amount of Newcastle fans in the Easy stand today was absolutely shocking. I've never seen a set of away fans, in the home area, so keen on celebrating their goal.

Stewards completey ignoring them until a large number of fans become increasingly annoyed.

Also a lot of seats empty in there.
 

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The fact the club don't care is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth.

I go with my 8 year old daughter and it's been very close to kicking off at about 4-5 games this season.

It's absolutely bollox if you ask me
 

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Even in the Premium seats the Newcastle Directors ( including Amanda Staveley ) and their guests leapt up and celebrated wildly when Newcastle scored the second . Pretty disappointing as examples of Ambassadors for their club . You can be sure that cliff Crown would have had a quiet word (NOT!!)
 

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A Newcastle fan was escorted out of the West Stand by a steward for standing up cheering when they scored their first goal.
 

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Even in the Premium seats the Newcastle Directors ( including Amanda Staveley ) and their guests leapt up and celebrated wildly when Newcastle scored the second . Pretty disappointing as examples of Ambassadors for their club . You can be sure that cliff Crown would have had a quiet word (NOT!!)
tbf, they are entitled to do so. It used to happen at GP too.
 

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A Newcastle fan was escorted out of the West Stand by a steward for standing up cheering when they scored their first goal.

Same in East 214. Took several people shouting at the stewards for them to wake up though :banghead:
 

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Even in the Premium seats the Newcastle Directors ( including Amanda Staveley ) and their guests leapt up and celebrated wildly when Newcastle scored the second . Pretty disappointing as examples of Ambassadors for their club . You can be sure that cliff Crown would have had a quiet word (NOT!!)
Sorry, I did the same as a director for two years and had no problem with it. Especially when smart arses are getting in your face when the home team score.

Just have to suck it up. In GA it’s a different story however.
 

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Sorry, I did the same as a director for two years and had no problem with it. Especially when smart arses are getting in your face when the home team score.

Just have to suck it up. In GA it’s a different story however.
Yep - I guess you’re both right - just feeling sore after another direction-less performance. The current negative style of football needs to change pretty damned quick now . Still hopeful we can turn it round but it may go to the wire😳
 

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I have it on good authority that sponsors allowed a stag party with Newcastle fans supporting their team in one of the lounges.
Rarely have I seen a mate who I’ve known 40 years + so angry after the game.
It’s getting ridiculous and fear that it really will kick off in a lounge before too long
Spot on S. I’m also pissed off with this witnessed the event.
 

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This was a Category B Game which meant No TAPs

And also it was sold first to all Members who had never seen a Brentford PL game

So guess what
Newcastle fans get first priority on our seats by buying a membership
Open charter for away fans to buy. Baffling.
 

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When Mike Sullivan, hospitality host walks into the orchard lounge, he openly asks if there are away fans in the Orchard lounge.

I’m unclear how that’s possible within the context of the email from the club.
 

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When Mike Sullivan, hospitality host walks into the orchard lounge, he openly asks if there are away fans in the Orchard lounge.

I’m unclear how that’s possible within the context of the email from the club.
QED.
 

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..... stewards in E115 were extremely efficient today.....removing away supporters who were unable to contain themselves.... unfortunately they were sitting next to me.....removed to away end.....not before they called me a Scottish ****.....hey ho.....as for the away chap at the end of the game in E115 conducting their support......several blue coat stewards bundled him out the ground sharpish before home supporters got to him.....roll on west ham,spurs and Leeds.
 
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..... stewards in E115 were extremely efficient today.....removing away supporters who were unable to contain themselves.... unfortunately they were sitting next to me.....removed to away end.....not before they called me a Scottish ****.....hey ho.....as for the away chap at the end of the game in E115 conducting their support......several blue coat stewards bundled him out the ground sharpish before home supporters got to him.....roll on west ham,spurs and Leeds.
STOP THE f***ING DOTS, ITS NEARLY IRRITATING AS FULL CAPS!
Thanks awfully.
 

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