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wasn’t his best game on the ball by a long shot but worked his arse off off the ball first half to create space along with Canos. Still getting into the box at the death too and a couple of inches away from getting a clean shot away for what would have been the winner.. Linked up again well with said when he came on. Can’t see how he’s getting so much stick tbh. Whole team looked tired second half, was a tough game in what looked tough conditions. Think Frank nailed it with his ‘happy with the application, but not the quality’ comment.. if Pontus hadn’t had such a mare first half we’d have prob won it.. 🤷
 

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Was okay IMO. Jensen probably edges him for a starting place when fit atm though.

Think sadly Emi will always get stick from fans unless he scores/assists because of his playing style. In my book he’s miles better since coming back from FCM loan and important member of the squad.
 

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I thought he did a lot of work centrally to disrupt play, his defensive contribution is greatly undervalued IMHO. That he and Jensen can graft away in midfield when necessary is a good attribute.
 

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An interesting thread on Emiliano’s performances this season here
Currently out performing Norgaard for tackles per game...
I was very Anti Emi pre his loan back, I would say even more than most people. Then we had the restart and I understood who he was as a player.

I have never, and could never, knock his work rate or commitment. I did knock his ability and have tempered that post lock down. However what I think is most important with Emi is his play style. There are very specific games when he works well in our team and that is possession based teams that we are better than (ie Swansea and Fulham among others). In these games he shines but in other games he really really struggles. He needs the opposition midfield to push forward so he can find gapes in behind and between the midfield and defence. When he doesn't have that he is so poor, and when he does have that he's great.

I think that probably means he's in for another tough season in the championship, however, if he can perform well enough to earn a spot for us if we can go up, I really think he can be a positive contributor off the bench.

In honestly, I think we'll probably sell him before then due to the depth of options we have at CM and the increased budget we'd have if we went up.

Either way, I regret my early assumptions on the lad, he's a great worker and very commited. All power to him
 

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I thought he did a lot of work centrally to disrupt play, his defensive contribution is greatly undervalued IMHO. That he and Jensen can graft away in midfield when necessary is a good attribute.
Couldn't agree more. It amazes me how people (choose to) overlook this part of his game.
 

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Thought he worked hard last night, a number of times made good runs which took players with him to open up room for the likes of Said and Saman. Don't like his play acting which creeps into his game on occasion, but overall pleased he's in our squad a valuable member.
 

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And more nonsense.

Some people love a scapegoat and some negativity even when we win 3-0 against our local rivals.
I am not "scapegoating" the fellow, at all, just calm down! "Nonsense"; well that's your opinion.
He just strikes me as a certainly talented, but vain, detached and dispassionate player, who turns up as a performer, as and when he decides to ; I initially was supportive of him, but he gives too many anonymous performances and I didn't hear him mentioned much, or see him do much last night and I was hoping he would.
 
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I find it quite strange that Marcondes is often slated on here whilst Ryan Woods was held up as a shining light. Woods didn’t score, had little pace and wasn’t a great tackler, he was however extremely good at sitting in midfield and recycling the ball, passing it to players that could make things happen.

perhaps if Marcondes were just to do that and not all the other attacking things he does well at he would be seen by some in a different light. Personally I think he is great for our squad, shown effort and commitment and has never hidden when things have not gone well for him
 

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Emiliano, despite his contributions for assists and goals, just looks like a player who doesn't affect the game hugely. Constantly looks like a 6/10 performer to me. I'm fine with him in the team but I'd prefer to see better. Don't really understand why he's the scapegoat though. Really makes no sense how anytime thinks that slagging him off at almost every opportunity.
What was interesting is that if his tackling is as high as the stats say, then I'm really happy to see that. Also goes to show how little we know. We don't have access to the training ground, the performance stats, etc.
 

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I am not "scapegoating" the fellow, at all, just calm down! "Nonsense"; well that's your opinion.
He just strikes me as a certainly talented, but vain, detached and dispassionate player, who turns up as a performer, as and when he decides to ; I initially was supportive of him, but he gives too many anonymous performances and I didn't hear him mentioned much, or see him do much last night and I was hoping he would.
Do any of those personality traits you want to give him matter if he gets goal of the round and is our top tackler
 

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...if those on here....and BFC supporters in general....have a vision of this player being part of our set up next season...then it's one that differs from mine....however....he's here at the moment....TF is playing him....so I want him to do well for the team...and to his credit....which I guess the coaching staff at FCM and BFC must have drilled into him....he's cut out most of the theatrics.
 

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I’m at a loss to imagine what he needs to do to satisfy some people. Apart from scoring the match winner in every game and getting a number 3.
I just read your comment on the Jota thread - "For me, exciting bursts of flare, but often wasn’t there." Which, for me, is the perfect description of Emiliano. Just goes to show, two players and two completely different views.... the beauty of football :cool:
 

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Lots of unseen work it seems...
Most fans, me included, mainly only see the goals and assists, but there is a lot of movement he does which gives space to other players around him.
 

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I don't get the negativity from some. He won the free kick for our second goal, and makes a great run into the box, which would have been a great chance if he had been spotted. Also clears a cross in our box and chases out closing down each opposition player with the ball until he gets in opposition box. Deserves a new contract. I think he is excellent.
 

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I don't get the negativity from some. He won the free kick for our second goal, and makes a great run into the box, which would have been a great chance if he had been spotted. Also clears a cross in our box and chases out closing down each opposition player with the ball until he gets in opposition box. Deserves a new contract. I think he is excellent.
I agree with most of your comments at time some of his passing and touch’s are very good and give us goal scoring opportunities, but I would add at time he can be very frustrating
 

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Most fans, me included, mainly only see the goals and assists, but there is a lot of movement he does which gives space to other players around him.
Absolutely. Thomas Frank clearly rates him and has access to all the relevant stats/data.
 

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Marcondes tries a lot of stuff most wouldn't think of, nevermind attempt. Sometimes that doesn't always come off..
His performances do not deserve the negative comments at all; works hard for the team & always involved.
 

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I just read your comment on the Jota thread - "For me, exciting bursts of flare, but often wasn’t there." Which, for me, is the perfect description of Emiliano. Just goes to show, two players and two completely different views.... the beauty of football :cool:
. You’re quite right right of course. Maybe I’m just a little bit prejudiced because Marcondes is a Brentford player scoring the odd dramatic goal. Perhaps all these GPG nerds are pulling the wool over my eyes providing statistical and graphic evidence that in 2020 Marcondes is among the best ever for being in dangerous positions, providing penetrating passes and his defending has not been too shabby. I’m not saying this is proof that he’s good for the team, but it’s evidence which anybody who wants me to take at all seriously, needs to consider.
 

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I am not "scapegoating" the fellow, at all, just calm down! "Nonsense"; well that's your opinion.
He just strikes me as a certainly talented, but vain, detached and dispassionate player, who turns up as a performer, as and when he decides to ; I initially was supportive of him, but he gives too many anonymous performances and I didn't hear him mentioned much, or see him do much last night and I was hoping he would.
Have you not seen the goal he scored in the last round and his stats which outperform CN so far this season? So yes i think you are scapegoating like many others who expect him to score two a game, assist and run around like Eddie Hutch.

Top 5 performers after lockdown, and unlucky not to start in the PO final. So yes my opinion of the constant unneeded negativity around him is that its nonsense and wonder who our fans will move onto next once hes moved on.
 

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Have you not seen the goal he scored in the last round and his stats which outperform CN so far this season? So yes i think you are scapegoating like many others who expect him to score two a game, assist and run around like Eddie Hutch.

Top 5 performers after lockdown, and unlucky not to start in the PO final. So yes my opinion of the constant unneeded negativity around him is that its nonsense and wonder who our fans will move onto next once hes moved on.
A one-off goal, does not maketh the player. Your attitude is the nonsense, trying to suppress free discussion and opinions.
 

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He is certainly a better looking player than the one we saw loaned out to FCM. For all the stats pulled out, for me, he is just not strong enough in the middle of the field consistently enough. Has certainly helped create (and score) goals, but goes missing in too many games where we are pressured on the ball and have less time.

My opinion doesn't really matter in isolation, but I feel if the DoFs didn't think they could do significantly better, then he would have a new contract by now. He hasn't, which I think speaks volumes.
 

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In my experience, nothing does more to derail constructive and honest debate than ignoring factual argument and repeating, ad nauseum, your answered arguments. A well known tactic to stifle debate, as it happens. What next? Incontrovertible evidence that Isleworth Bee was a guard at Treblinka? :sneakoff:
 

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If he didnt take 90% of our set pieces, mostly quite poorly. I would be happy with his performances.
Didnt Dominic Thompson take a decent free kick recently? I would like to see some from Ghoddos instead.
I wont complain if EM proves me wrong today
 

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He just strikes me as a certainly talented, but vain, detached and dispassionate player, who turns up as a performer, as and when he decides to ;
Don't recognise this as any of the players in our squad at the moment. All of them happy to put in a shift for the team and Marcondes is no different. Puts in a hell of a lot of work off the ball to create space and opportunities for others, closes down, presses and gets back to defend whilst still getting into the box at every opportunity. Doesn't strike me as someone who's detached and dispassionate in any shape or form.. More of a team player I'd say. Always looking for space or the quick pass. Doesn't always come off which is where he needs to improve (along with taking the many chances he gets in the box) but you can't seriously question his attitude in the side?
 

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In my experience, nothing does more to derail constructive and honest debate than ignoring factual argument and repeating, ad nauseum, your answered arguments. A well known tactic to stifle debate, as it happens. What next? Incontrovertible evidence that Isleworth Bee was a guard at Treblinka? :sneakoff:
Bloody hell , I don’t understand your post
 

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A one-off goal, does not maketh the player. Your attitude is the nonsense, trying to suppress free discussion and opinions.
If you've not done so, I'd recommend reading Daniel Kahneman's book: Thinking, Fast and Slow. If nothing else, focus on Part 1, Chapters 6 & 7.

BTW, this is recommended by Matthew Benham.
 

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In my experience, nothing does more to derail constructive and honest debate than ignoring factual argument and repeating, ad nauseum, your answered arguments. A well known tactic to stifle debate, as it happens. What next? Incontrovertible evidence that Isleworth Bee was a guard at Treblinka? :sneakoff:
No, it's called " sticking to your guns", in old parlance.
 

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If you've not done so, I'd recommend reading Daniel Kahneman's book: Thinking, Fast and Slow. If nothing else, focus on Part 1, Chapters 6 & 7.

BTW, this is recommended by Matthew Benham.
Could you please cut to the chase and explain your post in plain language, thanks.
 

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