Emiliano Marcondes - Signs to June 2021

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This is a game of very fine margins, Why hand the opposition an extra advantage, no matter how small? I thought the comment was daft - didn't you?
Yeh it was daft, much like Frank’s comment about Leeds and I’ve posted elsewhere that I was surprised we’d allowed stuff like that to happen. However the idea that that spurred fulham on to win the play off final when they would have struggled to get up for it otherwise is just ludicrous..
 

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Why on earth would you give him a new contract. He has not done nearly enough to merit one. The odd flash of brilliance but no consistency or regular impact plus an inability to do the unseen but important parts of the game in terms of pressing and tackling. He does not hide but there is so little end result from his work which can be summed up with a great goal at West Brom and a perfect cross v Coventry. Is that enough?
If we’re drilling down to individual incidents, I’ll settle for his superbly weighted pass which set up Mbeumo v Sheff Weds just before Lockdown 1.0
 

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Yes it’s right up there with the verdict on Mbuemo after 1 game last season ‘the worst debut in Brentford’s history’ .
Ignore works for me
Not to mention his “expert analysis” re- Watkins as a non starter CF and Jensen as a non starter mid-fielder, This guy craves attention with his crass comments and is working hard to win the battle for most Reaction Scores. As you say ignore is the way ....but others are highlighting his stupidity by quoting him.
 

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Why on earth would you give him a new contract. He has not done nearly enough to merit one. The odd flash of brilliance but no consistency or regular impact plus an inability to do the unseen but important parts of the game in terms of pressing and tackling. He does not hide but there is so little end result from his work which can be summed up with a great goal at West Brom and a perfect cross v Coventry. Is that enough?
I wouldn't, but it was widely reported he'd been offered an extension recently. His representative certainly confirmed it. From the club's point of view, I doubt it will be much of an increase on what his current one is, but I expect they're safeguarding him massively improving in the next few months, then walking away for nothing. As many say, the odd flash of brilliance or vision, but just not consistent enough to warrant being in our longer term plans. If we had more fit midfielders, I expect we would be touting him around in January, but given he's a midfielder and fit at the moment, he's bound to be part of the starting XI most weeks.
 

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I thought that Danish piece was more his agent floating the idea that he was available.
 

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It didn't help as it gave them a rallying point.
Oh come on really? We lost the final because we were knackered, they changed their system to stop us playing and Bryan scored a freak free-kick which he'd struggle to replicate again. It was a dire game that was pretty much heading to pens by that point. It's not like they steam-rollered us with their new found fundamentalist zeal...
 
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Oh come on really? We lost the final because we were knackered, they changed their system to stop us playing and Bryan scored a freak free-kick which he'd struggle to replicate again. It was a dire game that was pretty much heading to pens by that point. It's not like they steam-rollered us with their new found fundamentalist zeal...
Agree with all that but I still think that his comments were plastered all over their dressing room as were TF's at Leeds and players do respond to that. He was thoughtless even if he felt he was simply showing confidence.
 
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Yeh it was daft, much like Frank’s comment about Leeds and I’ve posted elsewhere that I was surprised we’d allowed stuff like that to happen. However the idea that that spurred fulham on to win the play off final when they would have struggled to get up for it otherwise is just ludicrous..
I certainly didn't say or think that Marcondes comments spurred Fulham on to win the Final because they were struggling to get up for it they are your words but any professional sportsman in whatever sport who is accused of being scared if he's got an ounce of fight in him is going to be fired up, the only ludicrous thing is the words came from one of our own players.
 

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Agree with all that but I still think that his comments were plastered all over their dressing room as were TF's at Leeds and players do respond to that. He was thoughtless even if he felt he was simply showing confidence.
You never hear about the times comments are plastered all over walls and then teams go out and lose anyway, which I'm sure happens just as often. I think Swansea were pretty fired up for the play off second leg for example.
 
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You never hear about the times comments are plastered all over walls and then teams go out and lose anyway, which I'm sure happens just as often. I think Swansea were pretty fired up for the play off second leg for example.
Maybe but I think we were far more fired up then Swansea who had nothing to be angry about after the first leg happenings
 

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The way our club works is all about marginal differences to gain advantages, especially when teams are closely matched. The facts were that we beat them twice and both times they were comfortable victories in my opinion. The play off final was a “one off” but everyone knows that the atmosphere around Fulham as a club has and is rather fragile. Even Parker commented on it himself that the biggest task he faced was changing mentalities and a comment like EM’s can help bring teams together as was commented by someone. Is it the reason why we lost the match, no it’s not but I certainly don’t think the comment helped at all and it was just rather a stupid thing to say.
 

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I certainly didn't say or think that Marcondes comments spurred Fulham on to win the Final because they were struggling to get up for it they are your words but any professional sportsman in whatever sport who is accused of being scared if he's got an ounce of fight in him is going to be fired up, the only ludicrous thing is the words came from one of our own players.
It was a stupid thing to say and players (and head coach) need to be more savvy in interviews as these are the sort of things that journos are after but I doubt it had any relevance to the result of the play off final. It's just being used as another stick to beat a player that some don't like. Sure if Pontus had said it it'd be deemed 'inspiring' or 'sh*thousing'...
 

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The way our club works is all about marginal differences to gain advantages, especially when teams are closely matched. The facts were that we beat them twice and both times they were comfortable victories in my opinion. The play off final was a “one off” but everyone knows that the atmosphere around Fulham as a club has and is rather fragile. Even Parker commented on it himself that the biggest task he faced was changing mentalities and a comment like EM’s can help bring teams together as was commented by someone. Is it the reason why we lost the match, no it’s not but I certainly don’t think the comment helped at all and it was just rather a stupid thing to say.
Maybe. So the result is we’re going to need have manager and players go back to the dull old cliches of saying how hard everyone is working, how keen they are to win and how good the opponents are.

One of the good things we’ve had recently is that TF and the players actually sound human and thoughtful. They’re not always going to be right and sometimes opponents will be piqued by it and will either up their game or be perceived as having done so by getting a result (other times they’ll be just as annoyed and lose). Sometimes a manager gives a “they’ve had a good recent run and will give us a challenge” quote and we’ll lose. Does that mean they’ve put negative thoughts into their own team? Maybe they should say nothing. Or pretend they don’t speak English and get an interpreter to translate a hundred words into “yes” or fill the press conference with a 20 minute technical analysis about the angle of the floodlights for the inside right channel attacking the West Stand.
 

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Maybe. So the result is we’re going to need have manager and players go back to the dull old cliches of saying how hard everyone is working, how keen they are to win and how good the opponents are.

One of the good things we’ve had recently is that TF and the players actually sound human and thoughtful. They’re not always going to be right and sometimes opponents will be piqued by it and will either up their game or be perceived as having done so by getting a result (other times they’ll be just as annoyed and lose). Sometimes a manager gives a “they’ve had a good recent run and will give us a challenge” quote and we’ll lose. Does that mean they’ve put negative thoughts into their own team? Maybe they should say nothing. Or pretend they don’t speak English and get an interpreter to translate a hundred words into “yes” or fill the press conference with a 20 minute technical analysis about the angle of the floodlights for the inside right channel attacking the West Stand.
No not all and I think there could be a slight misunderstanding, there is nothing wrong with building up our own team, there is nothing wrong if TF or EM say these things to the rest of the team behind closed doors etc all I am saying is that you shouldn't criticise the opponents or "big ourselves up" at the opponents expense in public as it can only ever have a positive impact on the opposition in terms of their attitude.
 

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Who the hell was he to break ranks and come out with the statement?
If he had been top dog in the team, maybe, but not by a country mile.
 

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Maybe .. what he said was taken out of context ?? .. we’ve had a thing over Fulham for a few seasons now (one defeat in 4 or 5 years?) .. so I don’t think by saying Fulham must be worried or “scared” to be facing us in a play off final is anything really wrong! ... we lost that final by an error of judgement by Raya and good tactics by Scott Parker 🤷🏼‍♂️
 

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Why is there a discussion AGAIN! About what happened last season FFS? It’s old news. As is his YT video. As he signed 3 years ago now.

Back to now, not last year or 3 years ago.
 

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It just hasn’t worked out for him here , I’ve always supported this guy but I don’t think we will extend his contract , they all can’t work out we got him for a free anyway we have won more then we have lost on transfers and I’m sure we are working on his replacement already
 

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Sums our fans up at the minute. "like playing with 9-10 men"

What a load of ****. Not pulling up trees, not in great form but to say the above nonsense and discussing him as the reason why Fulham beat us LAST season is the sot of OTT nonsense that makes me crave to go back in time and watch players like Jamie Fullarton.

Same dribble on the Canos thread.

These are young talented players playing in a depleted squad through injury and player sales, who are dealing with a hugely over congested fixture schedule.

Cut them some slack.
 

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Sums our fans up at the minute. "like playing with 9-10 men"

What a load of ****. Not pulling up trees, not in great form but to say the above nonsense and discussing him as the reason why Fulham beat us LAST season is the sot of OTT nonsense that makes me crave to go back in time and watch players like Jamie Fullarton.

Same dribble on the Canos thread.

These are young talented players playing in a depleted squad through injury and player sales, who are dealing with a hugely over congested fixture schedule.

Cut them some slack.
I am yet to see much talent that Marcondes possesses and has shown in the games he’s been involved in? He thinks he’s a lot better than what he is no doubt. His hairstyles says it all
 

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I am yet to see much talent that Marcondes possesses and has shown in the games he’s been involved in? He thinks he’s a lot better than what he is no doubt. His hairstyles says it all
missed the overhead kick at WBA then
 

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Sums our fans up at the minute. "like playing with 9-10 men"

What a load of ****. Not pulling up trees, not in great form but to say the above nonsense and discussing him as the reason why Fulham beat us LAST season is the sot of OTT nonsense that makes me crave to go back in time and watch players like Jamie Fullarton.

Same dribble on the Canos thread.

These are young talented players playing in a depleted squad through injury and player sales, who are dealing with a hugely over congested fixture schedule.

Cut them some slack.
Seriously.......these are "professional" footballers and shouldn't be wrapped up in cotton wool if they aren't performing to the expected level of their job. We support and pay our money to watch Brentford and therefore I think we are entitled to be allowed to express our opinions. As most people have said he does possess skill however for the majority of matches he plays in he goes missing and spends most of his time diving around on the floor. I personally don't think he is consistent enough to be in a team who has aspirations of reaching the premier league and it doesn't have anything to do with being a "typical Brentford supporter" but it has everything to do with people not continuing to be blinkered
 

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I am yet to see much talent that Marcondes possesses and has shown in the games he’s been involved in? He thinks he’s a lot better than what he is no doubt. His hairstyles says it all
missed the overhead kick at WBA then
All professional players have skill and talent. The more successful ones have more skill than others and are able to show it consistently. Daniel Bentley produced some skilful, matchwinning saves for us at times. Unfortunately, he also lost us many points with regular howlers, which is why he is no longer here. Marcondes shows similar levels of consistency - it's just his mistakes or lack of application don't normally results in goals against.
 
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I am yet to see much talent that Marcondes possesses and has shown in the games he’s been involved in? He thinks he’s a lot better than what he is no doubt. His hairstyles says it all
Only on here would fans compare a players ability and contribution with their hairstyle. I suppose back in the day Alan Mac was hard as nails because he had no hair.

Do me a favour. :rolleyes:
 

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Seriously.......these are "professional" footballers and shouldn't be wrapped up in cotton wool if they aren't performing to the expected level of their job. We support and pay our money to watch Brentford and therefore I think we are entitled to be allowed to express our opinions. As most people have said he does possess skill however for the majority of matches he plays in he goes missing and spends most of his time diving around on the floor. I personally don't think he is consistent enough to be in a team who has aspirations of reaching the premier league and it doesn't have anything to do with being a "typical Brentford supporter" but it has everything to do with people not continuing to be blinkered
Im afraid it does. Your point also highlights the self entitled aspect that has crept into our supporters expectations. The club has aspirations, our fan base has suddenly got this demand for us to be blowing teams away each week and winning the league at a counter.

Like Canos he may not be dominating games but **** me give him some support instead of expecting the world.

Funny how it goes quiet on here after a few wins. A few losses and you all come back with a bang.

You also seem to forget we drew with a team playing well sitting second in the league.......................... or did we lose?

As you were.
 

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All professional players have skill and talent. The more successful ones have more skill than others and are able to show it consistently. Daniel Bentley produced some skilful, matchwinning saves for us at times. Unfortunately, he also lost us many points with regular howlers, which is why he is no longer here. Marcondes shows similar levels of consistency - it's just his mistakes or lack of application don't normally results in goals against.
And you can also say these players are the ones in the advanced positions looking to create and thread a ball which will not always result in the desired end product.
 

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All professional players have skill and talent. The more successful ones have more skill than others and are able to show it consistently. Daniel Bentley produced some skilful, matchwinning saves for us at times. Unfortunately, he also lost us many points with regular howlers, which is why he is no longer here. Marcondes shows similar levels of consistency - it's just his mistakes or lack of application don't normally results in goals against.
If you think there's a lack of application from Marcondes then you're watching the wrong player. For me, Marcondes is suffering from a similar problem to Mbeumo. We've changed 2 out of the front 3 and also to some degree the way we play going forward, particularly when Ghoddos plays. They're still learning how to interact with each other. To get the best out of our attacking players they all need to be on the same wavelength so we can play our quick one touch passes and get in behind the opposition. That's just not happening at the moment, so those little flicks or those balls into space end up going to no-one or his runs across the pitch into space or into the pen area aren't getting picked out. It's no coincidence that EMs best run of form was in the second half of last season when we were pretty settled with our attacking players and tactics. As it is he's still getting into great positions and scoring opportunities. Main criticism for me would be that he's not taken some very good chances. If he had he'd have been on 4 or 5 goals by now and we'd be having a very different conversation..
 

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He's been fine-ish but hasn't done enough to warrant a new contract IMO. Far fewer goal involvements than he should've had, too inconsistent and seems to give away a startling amount of needless free-kicks.

He wouldn't be anywhere near the team if we'd been promoted so I'd struggle to see the logic and justification for a new contract.
 

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All professional players have skill and talent. The more successful ones have more skill than others and are able to show it consistently. Daniel Bentley produced some skilful, matchwinning saves for us at times. Unfortunately, he also lost us many points with regular howlers, which is why he is no longer here. Marcondes shows similar levels of consistency - it's just his mistakes or lack of application don't normally results in goals against.
yes but he said he had yet to see much talent. Since the re-start hes'shown loads.
 

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My feeling on Marcondes is that he's a good final third player but is not good in build up and doesn't offer much defensively. It's telling that he didn't do much at Nordsjaelland until they played him as a forward. He works hard and will contribute as a decent option in our 4-3-3 but there is no ideal role for him where he could really flourish and focus on goals and assists and he isn't really good enough to have the system rebuilt around him.

One thing we clearly have been trying is having him arrive in the box for inswinging crosses from the left half channel. He scored against Swansea in the playoffs like that and we have tried it a few times now this season. That is something he can offer that our other midfielders can't.
 
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Easy for them to forget the good stuff NL when its easy to throw the negatives out there. Dont worry though, a few wins and it will go quiet again.

Sign of the times.
I like many others on here have supported Marcondes when we were allowed into grounds and now having to watch on TV for the simple reason he's a Brentford player and I don't slag off our own players for the sake of it, I will offer constructive criticism and say in his case he's had more than enough time to show his worth and apart from the occasional false dawn he is out of his depth, you like a few others on here need to climb down from your high and mighty perch and lose the idea that you have some sort of divine right to start metaphorically wagging your finger at people who offer an opinion on a Brentford player that's different to yours and said people should be put in the same pigeon hole as some of the "Supporters" who flood Twitter with absolute negative garbage, you seriously need to get your head out of the sand.
 

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I like many others on here have supported Marcondes when we were allowed into grounds and now having to watch on TV for the simple reason he's a Brentford player and I don't slag off our own players for the sake of it, I will offer constructive criticism and say in his case he's had more than enough time to show his worth and apart from the occasional false dawn he is out of his depth, you like a few others on here need to climb down from your high and mighty perch and lose the idea that you have some sort of divine right to start metaphorically wagging your finger at people who offer an opinion on a Brentford player that's different to yours and said people should be put in the same pigeon hole as some of the "Supporters" who flood Twitter with absolute negative garbage, you seriously need to get your head out of the sand.
Bit rich.............. You must be missing the nonsense negativity above blaming a players form and contribution on his hairstyle and a pre match comment.

But you crack on.

Crawl back into that wood work............................. Suppose you will when we start winning a few games. :sorted:
 

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I don’t think he wants to stay and not sure offering a new contract would be good business by us. If he wasn’t Danish he would have been binned months back. There’s a player there, but not a consistent enough one.
Just as a matter of interest, what's his being Danish got to do with anything?
 

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Bit rich.............. You must be missing the nonsense negativity above blaming a players form and contribution on his hairstyle and a pre match comment.

But you crack on.

Crawl back into that wood work............................. Suppose you will when we start winning a few games. :sorted:
Seriously I think you need to double check what website you are on, as far as I’m aware this is a “fans forum” in which supporters are allowed their opinions. I’m pretty EM doesn’t read this website and won’t be too concerned about the comments. The idiots who post abuse on social media are out of order but supporters posting their views on here is a totally different matter. He isn’t consistently good enough, we would all love for that not to be the case but as some have said it seems as though he has been given more opportunities than some but still doesn’t consistently deliver in MY OWN OPINION for which I am allowed to have and also express in a fans forum!
 

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Seriously I think you need to double check what website you are on, as far as I’m aware this is a “fans forum” in which supporters are allowed their opinions. I’m pretty EM doesn’t read this website and won’t be too concerned about the comments. The idiots who post abuse on social media are out of order but supporters posting their views on here is a totally different matter. He isn’t consistently good enough, we would all love for that not to be the case but as some have said it seems as though he has been given more opportunities than some but still doesn’t consistently deliver in MY OWN OPINION for which I am allowed to have and also express in a fans forum!
Havent said you cant.

Still think theres been some nonsense posyed about him bar his form.

And thats my opinion.
 

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