Eng/Ger vs our promotion

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I think we can all agree that it wasn’t comparable to Brentford winning promotion, or indeed a good derby win over Fulham or QPR.

But why so many people want to play it down rather than just enjoy it is beyond me. We just beat one of our biggest rivals in the knockout competition of a major tournament. Just enjoy it.

When we beat Fulham 4-1 at Craven Cottage no one was bleating on about it being “a poor Fulham team”, which it was…
I have no explanation for it, I just have no emotional investment in the National team at all, and never have. I don’t look down on those who do, I don’t understand it, but I do respect it.
I can see the relevance in the past when there was a sense of Englishness, and National identity, but I guess that has almost become something to be ashamed of now for all the wrong reasons.
My Grandads generation fought and died for their families and way of life, but these days people find bullshit reasons not to have a vaccine to protect themselves and their fellow Englishmen (and women) from Covid.
 
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I did not even jump out of my chair when England scored. When I watch the bees on TV my wife always knows if we won from the noise emanating from the TV room. Yesterday she had to ask me the score!
Nothing can compare to being at LR and Wembley when we won promotion and I have been supporting for over 65 years. I hope England win the Euros but if not, no big deal.
Whilst always wanting England to win, I cheered louder when I watched Marcondes' goal at Wembley for the 42nd time
 

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No test of loyalties form me, I would be cheering for Christian, Matty and the rest of the Denmark squad.
The Ingerland millionaires will be out to get us relegated from August 13 while Thomas and the boys will be out to stop them........Come on Denmark :sorted:
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I like the attitude of this England squad, but in national terms, Ukraine have much more to play for. As for MJ and CN, their late, substantial cameos are perfect from a club point of view, even if the coaches will want to start work with them. Loving this tournament. World Cup Willy has even been revived on Brentford Loyal. What a gas.
 

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I haven't felt as strongly for England over the past 12-14 years or so as I felt before, before then it probably was country over club. Now I won't watch most friendlies... I will the qualifiers if I'm bored and I will watch all the tournament stuff. Yesterday I was happier than I thought I'd be, once we took the lead I was really happy! Was a great unexpected feeling.

Swansea, well firstly I had pessimism sewn into me to the point where I wouldn't even relax on the 85th minute in case something happened (even though I knew we had won). Plus I was feeling pretty groggy from the vaccine the day before. It meant I couldn't just 'enjoy it' until after the 90th minute and even then I felt achy all over with a headache so barely felt like drinking! (I did, but I didn't feel like it and stopped after about 5 drinks...) My second dose is the day of the Arsenal game in what has turned out to be a horribly timed vaccination!

However all day long I would take our promotion if offered the two! England winning is a nice treat, but Brentford gaining promotion is so huge to everyone and the impact of that will last a long time! Half my thinking over the past year and a half was on that eventuality. Either England winning yesterday and us staying in the Championship, or us winning promotion and England crashing out in the group stage I would easily take the latter. I just feel so much more connected to Brentford than I do England.
 

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Does anyone know if there are any B-Teamer's on the fringe of that Ukraine squad which I can route for against England?





:fishing:

No but one of their players maybe went to Syon Park once so that’ll be good enough for some (who also enjoy eating chicken Kievs)
 

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I was delighted England won last night because it's a great morale-booster for the nation after all the pandemic tribulations. However, it shows how conditioned I am to disappointment that I didn't cheer when we scored - simply waited until the game had restarted and it was too late for VAR to intervene !
Even if we win the Euros - and it's still a big 'if' - there's no question that the Bees' promotion will mean so much more. And though I won't be rooting for Denmark if we meet them I'll certainly be hoping that CN and MJ continue to show their undoubted class.
 

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I think on a personal level for most of us Brentford’s promotion this season and the campaign ahead will be very difficult to match as an experience.

I think we must remember that we are somewhat in a bubble though. If England won a major tournament, less so the Euros - but especially a World Cup - the entire nation would go bananas.
 

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A really easy one! Our promotion by a mile! In fact, strangely, I feel a bit less passionate about England this tournament because of it.
 

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If England meet Denmark it will be in the semi final. So, suppose Jensen and Norgaard in the starting line up for Denmark, a test of loyalties?
Surely the best for Brentford is The Denmark go out in the next round with Jensen and Norgaard having played really well. Quarter finals still an achievement for Denmark so not as if they’ll be filled with disappointment that could lead to a hangover for the start of the season and would mean they are able to get some rest in and join pre season training earlier than they would if they’re playing for another week.

Whilst England get to the final and Saka plays a blinder but picks up a minor o jury keeping him out until 14th August.
 

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Light years apart for me. 35 years of pain came out when that final whistle went at Wembley. I pounded the sofa, screaming like a banshee and the dog ran away and hid lool

When I was a kid England meant everything though.
 

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Brentford over England definitely. But I've always said that there are two things I want to experience at some point in my life:

1) Brentford winning a playoff final at Wembley

2) England winning a major tournament

It was amazing to cross one of those off this year, think getting both in 2021 might be asking too much!

I will say that England winning 2-0 and seeing all the celebrations at Wembley brought back great memories of just a few weeks ago so don't see why we can't enjoy both!
 

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Not even close but I work with a Ukrainian who was in Glasgow and today is feeling like I did after the playoff final
 

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Sadly I feel no allegiance with this England team. I was pleased they won but if they had lost I would not have been very bothered. Not sure why this is as in the past I have got very passionate about Englands progress in other tournaments.
As for the Bees winning at Wembley..........no words, no words.
 

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Sadly I feel no allegiance with this England team. I was pleased they won but if they had lost I would not have been very bothered. Not sure why this is as in the past I have got very passionate about Englands progress in other tournaments.
As for the Bees winning at Wembley..........no words, no words.
Kind of agree with this..maybe its an age thing.. I used to absolutely love watching England but now if we win great, but if we dont i wont lose any sleep over it. Don't see the same enthusiasm in the country either... Seen very few flags out of car windows or on houses as there were in Euro 96 for example. Patriotism is a dieing trend.
Anyway nothing will compare to our play off win ever!
 

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Patriotism is a dieing trend.
I'm not sure that's true (certainly if you read the tabloids) but I think there's a growing disconnection between international professional sport and the man on the Clapham omnibus. We had a good reaction to the London Olympics but that was personality-based in many cases. I think the years of bad press (mainly from those same tabloids) have taken their toll. For example, most Bees fans have a connection to Denmark through the individual personalities of our players but fewer seem connected to the England squad.
 
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Kind of agree with this..maybe its an age thing.. I used to absolutely love watching England but now if we win great, but if we dont i wont lose any sleep over it. Don't see the same enthusiasm in the country either... Seen very few flags out of car windows or on houses as there were in Euro 96 for example. Patriotism is a dieing trend.
Anyway nothing will compare to our play off win ever!
i've seen one car far flag and none hanging outside houses. less and less every tournament it seems, the last I remember kitted out was 2006
 

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Can't really compare as Brentford is part of my daily life.
England only has real importance on occasions throughout the year, but, I do get hugely excited for England games but in a different way.
What is true, though, is that I'd be less bothered about losing than Brentford.
 
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Is it not that the standard of (attacking) football that we have become accustomed to is rather higher than what was on show last night? Other than Saka and Sterling who really showed their class? Grealish showed the difference when he eventually came on.
 

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As others have said the England win is nowhere near as special - and won't be even if we win the whole damn thing.

Unlike England for whom success is shared by all English football fans and quite a lot that never watch football normally, Brentford is much more personal. England is like a bit of good news for someone in your local whereas in comparison Brentford is like something in your family.
 

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I thought it was just me. I can't put my finger on what it is, normally emotionally involved watching England (flags outside house, in car etc) but like others was really pleased when we one but didn't jump and down when we scored like I do normally. I think I was emotionally drained from being at the play off games, the euphoria and absolute nervousness that I dont think I have felt before of winning at Wembley was unbelievable and I think anything else pales into insignificance. I'm hoping its because I thoroughly expected England to get out of the group and also to beat Germany but I don think it is
 

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As others have said the England win is nowhere near as special - and won't be even if we win the whole damn thing.

Unlike England for whom success is shared by all English football fans and quite a lot that never watch football normally, Brentford is much more personal. England is like a bit of good news for someone in your local whereas in comparison Brentford is like something in your family.
Well put Phil and I wouldn't disagree but like others have said we should be able to enjoy both (and many will - hopefully).

It feels like I've just had a really nice shepherds pie (Bees promotion) for lunch/dinner and now someone's asking me would I rather have had that or have a slice of the rather tempting cheesecake (England winning the Euros). Well, thanks fella, I think I'd like both please. If he then comes back and says "sorry, there's no cheesecake", I'll reply "no problem, I've had a lovely dinner and I'm happy as Larry (Signy)"
 

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The Football Gods have already been extremely generous this Summer. Anything else is a bonus in my view.

If the question is Club vs Country. It's Club every time
 

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No comparison with Brentford getting promotion. Pleased that we won and great if we go on to the final and win, but does not come close to Brentford reaching the prem. Think its because of the more personal involvement I feel I have with Brentford on a day to day basis, with England I dip in as and when. Last nights result was mega though, very enjoyable without going OTT.
 

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Well put Phil and I wouldn't disagree but like others have said we should be able to enjoy both (and many will - hopefully).

It feels like I've just had a really nice shepherds pie (Bees promotion) for lunch/dinner and now someone's asking me would I rather have had that or have a slice of the rather tempting cheesecake (England winning the Euros). Well, thanks fella, I think I'd like both please. If he then comes back and says "sorry, there's no cheesecake", I'll reply "no problem, I've had a lovely dinner and I'm happy as Larry (Signy)"
If it had been last year and with the POs before Euro 2020 I don’t think any cheesecake however good would have taken away the taste of the shepherd’s bush pie made with river rat droppings rather than mince!
 

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you might as well start a thread if you could save one person from certain death would it be your child or a bloke you used to sit next to at school but havent seen since the day you left

absolutely no comparison and would be the same even if we win the final 10-0

None of that is to say I wasn't delighted we won and would be utterly over the moon if we win it

But come on its all about the mighty Bees
 

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It was great but I have been surprised all tournament how much less I am invested in England compared to 2018. I think that our playoff win has put the strength of feeling for the national team in some serious context.
 

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Never been that fussed with the fortunes of the England team and will always prioritise Brentford over my country. I also have a soft spot for the Germans, and have always received some quite horrible abuse because of it.
 

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If England meet Denmark it will be in the semi final. So, suppose Jensen and Norgaard in the starting line up for Denmark, a test of loyalties?
Nope. I'm English and will be supporting England.

I want Jensen and Norgaard to do well but lose and I have Danish family so have always supported them unless they play England!
 
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Genuinely think that two seasons of high excitement and anxiety following Brentford has dulled the senses - . nothing can reach that level.

QPR fans probably prematurely ejaculated when Sterling scored.
 

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Genuinely think that two seasons of high excitement and anxiety following Brentford has dulled the senses - . nothing can reach that level.
Agree with this.
And I also think that for years and years, the most hope any of us Bees fans had of witnessing a "meaningful" football success, was from our National side. (No matter how poor they were). So any failure by them was even more painful (for me).
Now we've experienced proper success at club level, the "need" for our National side to perform for us, has diminished somewhat. (I think)
I'll still ****ing love it if we win the thing, but the "desperation" is no longer there.....
 

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England first for me 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 But preferred Brentford going up than winning against Germany…..Winning the whole thing would be a different story. This does not detract from the fact that I love Brentford btw. I literally don’t understand those fans who don’t support their country, proper mental. Those who would want Denmark to beat England, there literally are no words :thumbs:
 

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I will also add that those Englishmen that slate England and bang on about how irrelevant it is to them are the ones that never go to the matches home or away. Fortunately there is a great group of Brentford fans that follow the national team and have a great time meeting brilliant like minded people from all over the country. Its easy to criticise something you don’t understand and have no first hand experience of from the comfort of your living room, attend a match with an open mind and you might be surprised.
 

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i've seen one car far flag and none hanging outside houses. less and less every tournament it seems, the last I remember kitted out was 2006

There's a few round my way.

Interestingly enough, the tw*t round the corner from me who normally has a F****m pennant hanging in his window replaced it the other day with a Wales flag when they reached the round of 16. It came down pretty sharpish. He hasn't replaced it yet but if he puts up a Mumford & Sons poster, the windows are going in....
 

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No comparison - the play-off win is likely to be the highlight of my Bees supporting life unless something utterly ridiculous happens like winning PL, even an FA Cup win wouldn't compare. England winning the Euros would probably mean a footballing summer that could never be topped however....
 

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No comparison - the play-off win is likely to be the highlight of my Bees supporting life unless something utterly ridiculous happens like winning PL, even an FA Cup win wouldn't compare. England winning the Euros would probably mean a footballing summer that could never be topped however....
If you had not mentioned the FA Cup I could have agreed whole heartily with your post.
 

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If you had not mentioned the FA Cup I could have agreed whole heartily with your post.
To me the FA Cup has been demeaned over the past 20 years and is nothing like as prestigious as it used to be in it's pomp - now it is another breeding ground for PL youngsters and reserves in the main.
 

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No test of loyalties form me, I would be cheering for Christian, Matty and the rest of the Denmark squad.
The Ingerland millionaires will be out to get us relegated from August 13 while Thomas and the boys will be out to stop them........Come on Denmark :sorted:
Are you kidding If we beat Ukraine I hope we smash Demark 10 0 I couldnt care less if we 2 or 10 in their squad. They are playing for Denmark not Brentford so I could not give a toss. Just dont get injured
 

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I go to a lot of England games despite, if I’m honest, not being comfortable with some of the “baggage” that comes with it.

I went loads in the 90s and early to mid 00s. In 2007, I was on my way to a game against Germany and was so appalled by the behaviour of some England fans towards small groups of Germany fans - mainly ‘scarfers’ who were with their families - that I stopped going for about nine years.

But then I decided not to let a small group of ****s take away something that I enjoyed. Been to loads of games since and had some cracking days/nights.

I fell in love with football at the age of 8 because of Italia 90, Gazza, Lineker etc. Until then I’d been largely ambivalent despite my dad’s best efforts. So who knows if I’d even have experienced the lows and highs of Brentford if it wasn’t for that tournament and that team.

In terms of a comparison, England will always remain a distant second but the beauty of international football is that it doesn’t have to be one or the other.

Back in our League One and League Two days I would often get Arsenal and Man Utd fans asking me “but which other team do you support?” I’d always answer “England…”
 
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