England cricket one day and 20/20 squad

Brain-dead Bee

Ancient member
Joined
26 Jan 2003
Messages
8,575
Reaction score
20
Location
Ealing
Can't see a thread on this, so here goes.

Squad just announced

Capt: Collingwood
Bat: Cook, Bell, Pietersen, Trott, Shah
A-R: Yardy, Mascarenhas
WK: Prior
Bowl: Panesar, Anderson, Plunkett, Broad, Sidebottom

I'd imagine that we would leave out Trott or Shah, one all-rounder and one of the seamers each time.

Haven't seen enough of Trott to have a view on him. Mascarenhas looks a good bowler (who can bat a bit) in English conditions, and could do well against a poor WI team, but not sure how he'd be on good pitches abroad if we're looking to the future.

Batting doesn't seem too bad (down to 7 anyway) but bowling looks vulnerable
 
Last edited:

Edmundo

Whinging pom
Joined
5 Apr 2000
Messages
37,866
Reaction score
2,185
Location
Alexandria, NSW, Australia
A few surprises there, although another son of Cape Town and Chiswick's very own convict are just the latest in a long trend, I guess!

I'm unpersuaded that Yardy and Shah have what it takes.
 

londondude

Come on you bees
Joined
28 Jul 2004
Messages
3,589
Reaction score
190
Location
Gibraltar
I would say that the team got to be

Cook
Trott
Bell
Pietersen
Collingwood
Mascarenhas
Prior
Plunkett
Broad
Sidebottom
Monty
 

Edmundo

Whinging pom
Joined
5 Apr 2000
Messages
37,866
Reaction score
2,185
Location
Alexandria, NSW, Australia
I think Anderson may edge Plunkett out of the team. And Prior will most likely open with Cook. Trott or Shah at 3, KP at 4, Bell at 5, Collingwood 6, Mascarenhas at 7, then the rabbits.
 

West Ealing Bee

Only Reading
Joined
6 Apr 2000
Messages
16,572
Reaction score
0
Location
At the match
Cook and Prior will certainly open and I would expect Pietersen at four and Collingwood at five, as in the WC.

Mascarenhas will play and I reckon Panesar and Broad will be two certainties in the attack, the rest is open to debate.

If Yardy is an international cricket I'm a 23-foot green giant :sorted:
 

SpiderBee

Surrey Wyvern
Joined
4 Jan 2006
Messages
11,706
Reaction score
792
Location
East Cheam
I think Anderson may edge Plunkett out of the team. And Prior will most likely open with Cook. Trott or Shah at 3, KP at 4, Bell at 5, Collingwood 6, Mascarenhas at 7, then the rabbits.

....and of course the ferrets go in after the rabbits!:sorted:
 

red'n'white rick

Active member
Joined
5 May 2005
Messages
1,038
Reaction score
0
Location
Bracknell
I saw Mascarenhas play at the Oval yesterday , I think he lasted 2 balls and his bowling wasn't great.
 
OP
B

Brain-dead Bee

Ancient member
Joined
26 Jan 2003
Messages
8,575
Reaction score
20
Location
Ealing
I saw Mascarenhas play at the Oval yesterday , I think he lasted 2 balls and his bowling wasn't great.

Saw it on TV, His bowling looked OK in the circumstances: 1-13 off 2 overs, when Surrey were chasing 72 off 10 overs, with Brown, Benning, Ramprakash et al, wasn't a bad return, but he seemed to bat a little early (possibly as he was captaining them). At international level, I'd say he's more a No 8 than a No 7, but I'd expect him to have to bat at 7 because we probably need 4 other specialist bowlers - unless we play Yardy at 7
 

West Ealing Bee

Only Reading
Joined
6 Apr 2000
Messages
16,572
Reaction score
0
Location
At the match
First Twenty20 is half hour away.

England have left Bell, probably injured, Plunkett and Panesar out.

England: A Cook, M Prior (wkt), IJ Trott, K Pietersen, P Collingwood (capt), O Shah, D Mascarenhas, M Yardy, R Sidebottom, S Broad, J Anderson.

I hope if this was a 50 over match they would have picked Panesar, hopefully at the expense of Yardy.
 

Edmundo

Whinging pom
Joined
5 Apr 2000
Messages
37,866
Reaction score
2,185
Location
Alexandria, NSW, Australia
It's really stupid that we don't pick our best Twenty20 players to play Twenty20 Internationals. Shouldn't we be aiming to win the Twenty20 World Cup?
 

Les Beeavinu

Administrator
Joined
5 Aug 2002
Messages
60,227
Reaction score
9,083
Location
Sandhurst
It's really stupid that we don't pick our best Twenty20 players to play Twenty20 Internationals. Shouldn't we be aiming to win the Twenty20 World Cup?

The problem is, many of our contracted players are not very experienced at 20 / 20 so I guess this is an opportunity to see how good they are.
 

Edmundo

Whinging pom
Joined
5 Apr 2000
Messages
37,866
Reaction score
2,185
Location
Alexandria, NSW, Australia
Well perhaps we should be letting them play Twenty20 for their counties? Or picking Darren Maddy, James Benning, Ali Brown, Paul Nixon, Mark Ramprakash and Nayam Doshi for the Twenty20 squad
 

wanderer paul

https://brentfordfcmemorabilia.wordpress.com/
Joined
28 Oct 2002
Messages
52,394
Reaction score
4,662
Location
Brentford
West Indies 208/8 (20 ov)
England


oh dear !!!!!

going for at least 10 an over.................................... could be 11 by the end..............

edited it ! 10.40 an over.................going to be interesting !!
 
Last edited:

West Ealing Bee

Only Reading
Joined
6 Apr 2000
Messages
16,572
Reaction score
0
Location
At the match
Well perhaps we should be letting them play Twenty20 for their counties? Or picking Darren Maddy, James Benning, Ali Brown, Paul Nixon, Mark Ramprakash and Nayam Doshi for the Twenty20 squad

I we pick Surrey players we'll ge nowhere :fishing:

Leicestershire is surely the place to look :shrug:

It's a tough call as the best players should be the best players no matter what game they play, and international players have not played county Twenty20 so haven't had the chance to prove themselves in the way the players you name have.

I would want Trescothick, Flintoff, Collingwood, Pietersen and Panesar in any England team for any game but I suspect they don't have good county Twenty20 records :shrug:
 

West Ealing Bee

Only Reading
Joined
6 Apr 2000
Messages
16,572
Reaction score
0
Location
At the match
England 40-1 in the fifth.

Decent start, Gayle's overs will be key, I think England might regret not playing Panesar.
 

Les Beeavinu

Administrator
Joined
5 Aug 2002
Messages
60,227
Reaction score
9,083
Location
Sandhurst
Or Notts. Luke Wright of Sussex seems to know what its about.
 

Jimbee

Who's the dummy?
Joined
7 Apr 2000
Messages
16,264
Reaction score
2
Location
In suspended animation
Well perhaps we should be letting them play Twenty20 for their counties? Or picking Darren Maddy, James Benning, Ali Brown, Paul Nixon, Mark Ramprakash and Nayam Doshi for the Twenty20 squad

I like the way you cheekily slipped in a couple of non-Surrey there to throw us of the scent.
 

maddogging

The Silver Fox of the GPG
Joined
12 Jul 2002
Messages
12,102
Reaction score
1,192
Location
Hemel Hempstead
I we pick Surrey players we'll ge nowhere :fishing:

Leicestershire is surely the place to look :shrug:

It's a tough call as the best players should be the best players no matter what game they play, and international players have not played county Twenty20 so haven't had the chance to prove themselves in the way the players you name have.

I would want Trescothick, Flintoff, Collingwood, Pietersen and Panesar in any England team for any game but I suspect they don't have good county Twenty20 records :shrug:


if you want a Kolpak X1 then yes, Leicestershire is the place to look
 

wanderer paul

https://brentfordfcmemorabilia.wordpress.com/
Joined
28 Oct 2002
Messages
52,394
Reaction score
4,662
Location
Brentford
West Indies 208/8 (20/20 ov)
England 90/5 (10.5/20 ov)

woops!!!!
 

Edmundo

Whinging pom
Joined
5 Apr 2000
Messages
37,866
Reaction score
2,185
Location
Alexandria, NSW, Australia
Darren Maddy plays for Warwickshire :thumbs:
Yes, of course - I meant he isn't a Surrey player. I just reeled off a few names from the top of my head. My point is that there is no way in a million ****ing years that Owais Shah should be playing Twenty20 Internationals ahead of players who are actually competent at it.
 

West Ealing Bee

Only Reading
Joined
6 Apr 2000
Messages
16,572
Reaction score
0
Location
At the match
there is no way in a million ****ing years that Owais Shah should be playing Twenty20 Internationals ahead of players who are actually competent at it.

Shah is Ramprakash ten years on.

Enough talent to play international cricket but it's not all there for some reason.

I would agree he shouldn't be playing and if Bell was fit he wouldn't be.
 

Les Beeavinu

Administrator
Joined
5 Aug 2002
Messages
60,227
Reaction score
9,083
Location
Sandhurst
Maddy
Prior
Hildreth
Pietersen
Collingwood
Wright
Swann
Trego
Bresnan
Broad
Smith

:shrug:
 

Jimbee

Who's the dummy?
Joined
7 Apr 2000
Messages
16,264
Reaction score
2
Location
In suspended animation
Yes, of course - I meant he isn't a Surrey player. I just reeled off a few names from the top of my head. My point is that there is no way in a million ****ing years that Owais Shah should be playing Twenty20 Internationals ahead of players who are actually competent at it.

Somebody in the commentary box made a similar comment but was put down by the statistician. You'd be surprised if you have a look compared to some of the names you mention.
 

SpiderBee

Surrey Wyvern
Joined
4 Jan 2006
Messages
11,706
Reaction score
792
Location
East Cheam
Got 2 tickets for tonight.:cool:
Free bar buffet etc etc:alcoholic

AV IT:sorted:

(Pissing down in Sutton)!:(
 

West Ealing Bee

Only Reading
Joined
6 Apr 2000
Messages
16,572
Reaction score
0
Location
At the match
Better from England tonight, accurate bowling and good catching, just about got home with the bat but I'm concerned none of the top five took responsibility for getting the runs.

I wouldn;t have picked Shah at six, but I guess that's whay I'm sitting here :shrug:

If the crowd at The Oval tonight is an indication of your average Twenty20 crowd I'm glad I stick to Test cricket :shrug:
 

The H

poker semi-professional
Joined
4 Apr 2000
Messages
22,734
Reaction score
1
Location
South Ealing
Better from England tonight, accurate bowling and good catching, just about got home with the bat but I'm concerned none of the top five took responsibility for getting the runs.

I wouldn;t have picked Shah at six, but I guess that's whay I'm sitting here :shrug:

If the crowd at The Oval tonight is an indication of your average Twenty20 crowd I'm glad I stick to Test cricket :shrug:


i'm more concerned about the bowling........ it was 8+ an over... then i got a round in and no acceleration from WI.... 2 wts from Ryan, but still... 180 was a min from along way out... did we close out well or did the WI miss out...
 

Jimbee

Who's the dummy?
Joined
7 Apr 2000
Messages
16,264
Reaction score
2
Location
In suspended animation
Better from England tonight, accurate bowling and good catching, just about got home with the bat but I'm concerned none of the top five took responsibility for getting the runs.

I wouldn;t have picked Shah at six, but I guess that's whay I'm sitting here :shrug:

If the crowd at The Oval tonight is an indication of your average Twenty20 crowd I'm glad I stick to Test cricket :shrug:

:imwith: Funny for about 2 minutes but the stewarding was a joke.
 
OP
B

Brain-dead Bee

Ancient member
Joined
26 Jan 2003
Messages
8,575
Reaction score
20
Location
Ealing
Better from England tonight, accurate bowling and good catching, just about got home with the bat but I'm concerned none of the top five took responsibility for getting the runs.

I wouldn;t have picked Shah at six, but I guess that's whay I'm sitting here :shrug:

England bowled a bit better, but the difference from the first game was probably that WI lost Smith and Chanderpaul and the 2 youngsters didn't look up to it. The more experienced players could well have got another 12-15 runs in the same time and that might have put it beyond England (though of course we've been missing players - esp Flintoff - in both games)
 

West Ealing Bee

Only Reading
Joined
6 Apr 2000
Messages
16,572
Reaction score
0
Location
At the match
i'm more concerned about the bowling........ it was 8+ an over... then i got a round in and no acceleration from WI.... 2 wts from Ryan, but still... 180 was a min from along way out... did we close out well or did the WI miss out...

International Twenty20 will see scores of 180+ on decent pitches, like we saw at The Oval, anyone going for around 8 is doing a good job IMHO :shrug:

Edmundo and I were saying Gayle has to take some responsibility for the result, Shah was hitting everything behind square and he kept third man and fine leg up, if one or two boundaries had been turned into twos we probably wouldn't have got home.
 

West Ealing Bee

Only Reading
Joined
6 Apr 2000
Messages
16,572
Reaction score
0
Location
At the match
England bowled a bit better, but the difference from the first game was probably that WI lost Smith and Chanderpaul and the 2 youngsters didn't look up to it.

I wouldn't argue.

I think we're going to struggle in this one-day series unless someone takes responsibility for the runs, and to be honest it has to come from the top four, leaving it to five and six will not win matches.
 

SpiderBee

Surrey Wyvern
Joined
4 Jan 2006
Messages
11,706
Reaction score
792
Location
East Cheam
tell us about it in about 6 hours :sorted:


Thoroughly enjoyed it although I am not a big fan of 20/20.
Far too much white wine/lamb curry and some strange spectators who obviously have never been to cricket before!lol
Just got 2 similar tickets for test (Friday) v India.:cool:
And you wonder where all the ECB money goes!:nono:
Now got 2 tickets for Charity Shield as well :confused:

Prawn sarnie anyone?:fishing:
 

londondude

Come on you bees
Joined
28 Jul 2004
Messages
3,589
Reaction score
190
Location
Gibraltar
Well done to the boys. 1 0 up in the series
 

weymouth bee

Active member
Joined
9 Aug 2002
Messages
8,824
Reaction score
0
Sooooooooooo pleased they won today.
Let's hope they win on Wednesday.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top Bottom