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Who can fail to get excited about this one :bound:

I am moist.

Can we limit the intelligent football commentary on here please and just ramp up the jingoism and references to world wars, churchill, dunkirk etc :yes:

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Absolutely!!! Here Goes!!!

Land of Cole and Rooney,
Mother of Heskey,
Wayne shall pass to the man on, then we might score three.
Wider still to Cashley, James' bounds be set;
God, who made Crouch mighty, make him mightier yet!

So he scores the first goal and wins for me my bet,
Hill's are giving me sevens, God help me win my bet!

Repeat to fade.
 
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Am I really the only one listening to Des Lynam reading 'If' and beating myself into a frenzy? I suppose you're all asleep or some other crap excuse for not being excited.
 
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lol thankyou, Good man.
 

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just the match England really needed to wake themselves the **** up, PLUS, once we knock the krauts out, the confidence will be back flowing through the team. sorted.
 

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We have thrashed the Germans in 1914/1918 , 1939/1945 and in 1966. The British bulldog might be asleep, but pull it's tail and it will turn around and bite yer ****ing head off.
 

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I think we'll be coming home on Sunday, can't see us beating the Germans crisp passing play and with Klose back they wont miss many chances, I cant see where our positivity comes from as we've played rubbish in 2.5 of the 3 games.
 

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I think we'll be coming home on Sunday, can't see us beating the Germans crisp passing play and with Klose back they wont miss many chances, I cant see where our positivity comes from as we've played rubbish in 2.5 of the 3 games.

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germany arent that good mate:cool:.......2-1 england and we storm through to quarters......we will get better and better;):sorted:
 

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Completely agree – Think people are a bit over the top just cos they smashed the Aussies.

Some players lacking the big game experience in their team.
 

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I will be astonished if e beat the Germans

Glenn Johnson and whoever plays with Terry are liabilities at the back

Plus one of our players will get sent off for 2 yellows
 
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wibs :yellowcard: for failure to be irrationally optimistic
 

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Cos Upson was that bad yesterday? Thought he was the best centre back with Terry in the 3 games so far!
 

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Is there a bandwagon smiley anywhere? If you read the comments in the Algeria thread then you'd think most people hated England and couldn't care less. What a surprise, one win, meeting the germans and everyones loving it.

Anyway i'd stick with the same line up. If it were Ledley King or Rio Ferdinand returning to fitness i'd bring them back but I don't think Carragher offers much more than Upson. The balance of having a left footed centre back helped yesterday especially allowing Terry to play right side.

My prediction is 1-0 England.
 

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****ing Yanks!

If they hadn't scored in injury time we would be having a laugh against Ghana and then the winner of Uruguay / South Korea

Instead we cop Germany and then Argentina (Mexico)

Let's just lose to the Krauts to get it over and done with :sad:
 

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****ing Yanks!

If they hadn't scored in injury time we would be having a laugh against Ghana and then the winner of Uruguay / South Korea

Instead we cop Germany and then Argentina (Mexico)

Let's just lose to the Krauts to get it over and done with :sad:

:imwith:
 

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****ing Yanks!

If they hadn't scored in injury time we would be having a laugh against Ghana and then the winner of Uruguay / South Korea

Instead we cop Germany and then Argentina (Mexico)

Let's just lose to the Krauts to get it over and done with :sad:

jesus, you can't want to the win the World Cup but not play the big team please... if we want to be the best team in the world, let's beat all the others... we can do it!
 

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Am I really the only one listening to Des Lynam reading 'If' and beating myself into a frenzy? I suppose you're all asleep or some other crap excuse for not being excited.

:eek:

Be careful :D

Every Englishman wants this game, i hope it is a cracker but more importantly i hope we win!
 

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I will be astonished if e beat the Germans

Glenn Johnson and whoever plays with Terry are liabilities at the back

Plus one of our players will get sent off for 2 yellows

Good to see someone else has a low opinion of Johnson. Good going forward but 100% useless as a defender.
 

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That old sage who is also known at Terry Butcher doesn't think there is any need to change the latest line up and formation.
Is that worrying?
 

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Is there a bandwagon smiley anywhere? If you read the comments in the Algeria thread then you'd think most people hated England and couldn't care less. What a surprise, one win, meeting the germans and everyones loving it.

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I don't hate England, I don't like a fair few of the players but such is life. You're right though, my imagination has been sitched on and the Krauts are on the agenda so all seems worthwhile now. We should have got 7 points without breaking sweat in that group but we're through and the big games await. I can't see us beating these bolied cabbages but I would love it, I mean love it if we do.
 

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I am meeting an old flame on Sunday. Had it arranged for a few weeks. I'd have been happy to miss the game but she now wants us to go someowhere we can eat and watch the game. :)
 

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Whats your reasoning pal as man for man i think we have the better starting 11.

James is an accident waiting to happen.
Lahm is light years ahead as a defender and attacking RB.
Their midfield move and find passes whereas we are still slow and ponderous, we simply don't flow like most top teams in the tournament IMO.
I can't see many goals in us whereas they have a fair few people who can find the net.
Having said that in 1990 they were the best team in the world and functioned like a machine, we were weird and had got to that semi by any sort of means and we gave them a right good game. Anything can happen but I will watch, will have a few beers inside me and hope for the best.
 

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Whats your reasoning pal as man for man i think we have the better starting 11.

I think Germany will look at putting pressure on Johnson as he has a tendency to stay upfield-in a similar way to a lot of wing backs. Podolski will fancy his chances. IMO England lack genuine pace both at the RB position and Barry's holding role. Terry is not the quickest but reads the game well and his determination counts for a lot.
The centre halves will have their hands full with Klose and Barry will have to be on his toes with Ozil attacking from deeper.
A lot will depend on Milner's crossing and Gerrard linking with Cashley. If Lampard can win central areas we have a good chance of winning what looks to be another nail-biter. As NB says I would love to see us win-it's just the pace and positional issues that, for me, are a worry
 

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I am meeting an old flame on Sunday. Had it arranged for a few weeks. I'd have been happy to miss the game but she now wants us to go someowhere we can eat and watch the game. :)

Sounds like a good women! :sorted:
 

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I think Germany will look at putting pressure on Johnson as he has a tendency to stay upfield-in a similar way to a lot of wing backs. Podolski will fancy his chances.

Yeah you can have the Glenn Johnson argument. Very lucky not to get a yellow yesterday but even against Algeria he was either very leggy of just plain slow. Milner will no doubt have instructions to double up on Podolski for Sunday.

Genuine pace in Defoe up front and if used correctly can scare ze Germans
 

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If we win I'd love to hear what Baconburger has to say
He's really getting up my bugle:nono:
 
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****ing Yanks!

If they hadn't scored in injury time we would be having a laugh against Ghana and then the winner of Uruguay / South Korea

Instead we cop Germany and then Argentina (Mexico)

Let's just lose to the Krauts to get it over and done with :sad:

Aussie Bee :yellowcard: as IF, we'd have slipped up to Ghana and if not definitely to Uruguay

However we cannot fail to beat ze germans and i just hope to god it's argentina after. This is exactly as it has been prophesized :yes: :bound:
 

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jesus, you can't want to the win the World Cup but not play the big team please... if we want to be the best team in the world, let's beat all the others... we can do it!


First of all you reckoned The Italian knew all when he left Walcott at home for the waste of space called SWP - he knows what he is doing - yeah right

Now you want us to beat every decent team in world football to win the world cup - FFS

Give me the easy road to glory any day - its winning the bloody thing that counts - not making it as hard as possible

We might beat Germany but I can't see us beating the Argies - Messi will walk rings around the chav Terry and co
 

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Hope I dont upset too many fellow Bees on here but I support Germany, always have done always will part of my heritage (also partly Austrian but that's another story). I usually get very nervous when these two play each other but htis time am quite relaxed about it and looking forward to it. I don't expect germany to win mainly because of their youth and inexperience, however Loew has decided to form the nucleus of his squad from the successful U21's that won the Euro U21 comp last year. Give them till 2014 and they will be a real force.
 

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Hope I dont upset too many fellow Bees on here but I support Germany, always have done always will part of my heritage (also partly Austrian but that's another story). I usually get very nervous when these two play each other but htis time am quite relaxed about it and looking forward to it. I don't expect germany to win mainly because of their youth and inexperience, however Loew has decided to form the nucleus of his squad from the successful U21's that won the Euro U21 comp last year. Give them till 2014 and they will be a real force.

Up yours Gunther!;)
 

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I think Germany will look at putting pressure on Johnson as he has a tendency to stay upfield-in a similar way to a lot of wing backs. Podolski will fancy his chances. IMO England lack genuine pace both at the RB position and Barry's holding role. Terry is not the quickest but reads the game well and his determination counts for a lot.
The centre halves will have their hands full with Klose and Barry will have to be on his toes with Ozil attacking from deeper.
A lot will depend on Milner's crossing and Gerrard linking with Cashley. If Lampard can win central areas we have a good chance of winning what looks to be another nail-biter. As NB says I would love to see us win-it's just the pace and positional issues that, for me, are a worry

agree with most of that. Cashley hasn't shown it yet but he can be as much of a weapon for us as Maicon is for Brazil.
 

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Hope I dont upset too many fellow Bees on here but I support Germany, always have done always will part of my heritage (also partly Austrian but that's another story). I usually get very nervous when these two play each other but htis time am quite relaxed about it and looking forward to it. I don't expect germany to win mainly because of their youth and inexperience, however Loew has decided to form the nucleus of his squad from the successful U21's that won the Euro U21 comp last year. Give them till 2014 and they will be a real force.
Do you live part of the year in Stuttgart NB?
 

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I'm not overly fearful of Germany - they are a decent side, when has Garmany ever produced anything else, but we'll have to beat a lot better teams to win this than them.

Lahm, Ozil and Klose will be the main men for them.

Lahm is a fine player but I think he will be just as worried of Cole running into the space behind him as he will trying to get forward. And the space Lahm leaves is perfect for Rooney, who loves dropping into that left channel.

Ozil is a fine playmaker and Barry will have to be alert but the two German holding players will have to deal with Rooney and Gerrad dropping into the space they like to play in, Ozil will probably get less ball than he has in the other games.

Klose is the one genuine goal threat, and very good in the air, but he's not a man who makes his own goals, cut the supply - much of which comes from Lahm - and we shut him down.

Take away the result against Australia featuring the world's worst offside trap and they have scored once in two games, a long range shot that would have been saved by a better keeper.
Their keeper has looked suspect on crosses, particularly set pieces, and they haven't come up against anyone who wants to run in behind them like Defoe.

I'm not saying England will win - my main fear is a loss on penalties TBH - but Germany are a small hurdle to cross compared to what lies ahead.
 

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agree with most of that. Cashley hasn't shown it yet but he can be as much of a weapon for us as Maicon is for Brazil.
Cashley 'Ole would be dangerous going forward if he didn't have a gaping gap in front of him. He needs a left-sided midfielder who can play him in and not someone who drifts across the middle bumping into Rooney.
 

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To those hoping to avoid the bosh in the last sixteen I say 'nonesense' my good man (or woman). I reckon half the problem so far has been the fear factor of looking silly against piss poor opposition. The other half being a combination of Rooney's obsession with shooting into human walls rather than passing to clean through team mates, a manager who makes Morrissey appear to have a personality, and a ball what bounces funny.

I'm expecting...... no that's wrong isn't CBU........ We will see a far far better England on Sunday. Take the Bees last season - V Yeovil, Exeter and Brighton, crap. Leeds, Millwall and Norwich - brilliant!

The bosh will have a bash rather than pack their defence with eleven men and then we will see what the boys are made of. To win the World cup you've got to beat the better teams so bring them on :sorted:.
 

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That Donovan goal has finished us, Germany, Argentina and Spain or what might have been Ghana, Uruguay, Brazil
 

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To those hoping to avoid the bosh in the last sixteen I say 'nonesense' my good man (or woman). I reckon half the problem so far has been the fear factor of looking silly against piss poor opposition. The other half being a combination of Rooney's obsession with shooting into human walls rather than passing to clean through team mates, a manager who makes Morrissey appear to have a personality, and a ball what bounces funny.

I'm expecting...... no that's wrong isn't CBU........ We will see a far far better England on Sunday. Take the Bees last season - V Yeovil, Exeter and Brighton, crap. Leeds, Millwall and Norwich - brilliant!

The bosh will have a bash rather than pack their defence with eleven men and then we will see what the boys are made of. To win the World cup you've got to beat the better teams so bring them on :sorted:.
The team will be more up for it than if we played Ghana but we had a great chance of getting to the semi finals (if US didn't win yesterday) which I'd much prefer to playing Germany in the last 16.
 

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I'm not overly fearful of Germany - they are a decent side, when has Garmany ever produced anything else, but we'll have to beat a lot better teams to win this than them.

Lahm, Ozil and Klose will be the main men for them.

Lahm is a fine player but I think he will be just as worried of Cole running into the space behind him as he will trying to get forward. And the space Lahm leaves is perfect for Rooney, who loves dropping into that left channel.

Ozil is a fine playmaker and Barry will have to be alert but the two German holding players will have to deal with Rooney and Gerrad dropping into the space they like to play in, Ozil will probably get less ball than he has in the other games.

Klose is the one genuine goal threat, and very good in the air, but he's not a man who makes his own goals, cut the supply - much of which comes from Lahm - and we shut him down.

Take away the result against Australia featuring the world's worst offside trap and they have scored once in two games, a long range shot that would have been saved by a better keeper.
Their keeper has looked suspect on crosses, particularly set pieces, and they haven't come up against anyone who wants to run in behind them like Defoe.

I'm not saying England will win - my main fear is a loss on penalties TBH - but Germany are a small hurdle to cross compared to what lies ahead.

Good summery WEB and if England are fired up then i see no reason why we cannot win.These games always come with a great build up and we have enough experienced players to rise to the occasion.

What ever people think of John Terry,the bloke when he crosses the white line is an absolute winner.If the other players can follow his attitude we can win the game.Rooney will come good shortly with a goal flurry as he was so badly unlucky yesterday.Gerrard can open the germans with his passing and David James has kept two clean sheets and will be full of confidence.

It will be interesting so to see if the Germans went a goal down how they react.Hopefully a classic awaits and an England victory with it.
 

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The team will be more up for it than if we played Ghana but we had a great chance of getting to the semi finals (if US didn't win yesterday) which I'd much prefer to playing Germany in the last 16.
Makes no difference to me. Last 32 or last 16, we'll either beat them or we won't. There's no prize for reaching the semi final and if you're gonna be world champions you've gotta be able to beat them all. If you look back on it and think, for example 'we might not have won this if we hadn't have avoided Brazil' then you're not bona fide world champs in my opinion. Which we are. Ain't that so CBU? :shrug:
 

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Completely agree – Think people are a bit over the top just cos they smashed the Aussies.

Think people are way over the top cos we beat Slovenia 1-0. We should have been out of sight and ended up shatting bricks for the last 15.

I want to be optimistic but we really fecked up by not winning the group which presents a much easier ride to the final.
 
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