England v India Test Match Series (5th Test 1 July 2022 but at Edgbaston)

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World class by Bumrah after a poor Test last time out. Might be over by Tea
World class Bumrah & County class (Root aside) batting ! England collapsing just like England do! 👎🤬
 

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3 down after lunch.
146-5.
Game over.
Tbh India deserve to win the series. They have been largely on top and we rely on Root too much for our batting.
Please can we choose a dedicated keeper who can bat a bit. Bairstow is not good enough. As I type Ali goes. This is pathetic on this strip.
 

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The typical England middle order collapse in progress. Indian bowlers on fire. Only 1 result here today I’m afraid unless England can perform batting miracles .
 

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It's taken about 45 mins to go from all results possible to only one probable.
 

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And that is why you don't go into your shell - about to go 2-1 down
No you don't have stupid run outs and play silly shots because you are caught in 2 minds
 

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Go into your shell ?

5,6 and 7 faced 19 balls and got 2 runs. It has been a feature of this side.
19 balls for 2 runs is not scoring quickly is it lol this is exactly what I suspected would happen when we stopped playing in the 1st session - I'd rather we lost going for the target than getting routed by not playing
 

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Moeen for example, what pressure does he face in his normal batting situations, is it how many 6s need hitting or consolidating for 3 overs as a few wickets have gone quickly in a 20/20?
He gets thrust back into a fragile test side but none of them have many innings that require batting time, the same could be said for the Indians, Kiwis etc but they manage it, our guys are walking to the wicket totally unprepared for a long innings on the back foot. They’re all fantastic batsmen but mainly one day bullies imo.
 

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Moeen as well, a 34 year old picked on the back of form in joke franchise cricket. I'm really hoping the selectors lose their jobs after this series.
 

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I feel with the rise of Livingstone he may not have much longer in white ball cricket also.
Bairstow is arguably England best white ball player of all time so no chance on that happening and it shouldnt!
 

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No you don't have stupid run outs and play silly shots because you are caught in 2 minds
Both caused by pressure building - seen it far too often from England over the years, once you stop scoring it is very difficult to pick it up again and then you are looking to score off good deliveries or playing terrible shots
 

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Should have been it about two years ago, don't understand why we keep picking him.

Because there is no one else. The championship standard is no where near test level and its only going to get worse with the monstrosity that is the hundred.

How can you go from slapping about some medium pacers to face genuine bowling and expect to adjust to it. They need to start playing proper championship cricket and increase the standard.
 

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Livingstone in for Malan imo, Foakes in for Bairstow maybe, as Foakes is far and away our best keeper and a decent middle order batsman
Malan looks more of a test player than Bairstow and Pope, done nothing wrong. Needs to stay in and go to Australia.
 

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Malan looks more of a test player than Bairstow and Pope, done nothing wrong. Needs to stay in and go to Australia.
Malan will stay in as will Pope .

I remember on Pope Alex Stewart talking how wonderful he was before his debut and what a fantastic career he was going to have . He has to start to deliver now. Coming in at 5 and 6 when the hard work is largely done he should be doing better than he is.
 

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Because there is no one else. The championship standard is no where near test level and its only going to get worse with the monstrosity that is the hundred.

How can you go from slapping about some medium pacers to face genuine bowling and expect to adjust to it. They need to start playing proper championship cricket and increase the standard.
When they left Ollie Pope out of the side for the first three test matches I don't think you can say there is no-one else.

Agree with what you say about the hundred and championship cricket. The vast majority of championship cricket this season will be played in April, May and September with T20 and the Hundred taking the 'prime' slots in June, July and August. It shows where it is on the ECB's priority list.
 

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Malan will stay in as will Pope .

I remember on Pope Alex Stewart talking how wonderful he was before his debut and what a fantastic career he was going to have . He has to start to deliver now. Coming in at 5 and 6 when the hard work is largely done he should be doing better than he is.
Malan looks more of a test player than Bairstow and Pope, done nothing wrong. Needs to stay in and go to Australia.
Pope is several levels above Malan for me, he is also 11 years younger, don't understand how you can think Malan 'looks more of a test player'? They will both go to Australia anyway.

As for Pope doing better than he is, this is his first test match of the series and he scored 81 in the first innings, which is going to be the top score by an English batsmen in the test match.
 

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Pope is several levels above Malan for me, he is also 11 years younger, don't understand how you can think Malan 'looks more of a test player'? They will both go to Australia anyway.

As for Pope doing better than he is, this is his first test match of the series and he scored 81 in the first innings, which is going to be the top score by an English batsmen in the test match.
Les is saying that Pope should stay in (I think), as I am . He needs to deliver bigger scores. He averages only 31 atm. The fact we don’t have anyone capable of building big scores (apart from Root) is England biggest problem. The Ashes will be a complete embarrassment.
 

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Les is saying that Pope should stay in (I think), as I am . He needs to deliver bigger scores. He averages only 31 atm. The fact we don’t have anyone capable of building big scores (apart from Root) is England biggest problem. The Ashes will be a complete embarrassment.
Hopefully Stokes will be back for the Ashes. A batting lineup of the below is capable if they stop chopping and changing:

Burns
Hameed
Malan
Root
Stokes
Pope
Butter
Woakes

I would also take Crawley, Livingstone and Foakes to Australia.
 
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Well that was 💩💩💩
 

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Brilliant from India but pathetic batting from England today, losing 10 wickets for just 140 odd runs on a flat wicket in bright sunshine.

I really don't like these defensive tactics from Silverwood and Root, what other home side wouldn't go for a run chase when needing 290 with 10 wickets in hand? As Mark Waugh said, if you don't go for this run chase then why do you play the game?

We are a very ordinary test side.
 

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a very poor 4 hours or so... the openers had done the hard work but the brittle middle order fell apart. Very good work from India who batted very well in the secodn innings and bowled exceptionally well today.
 

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Lots of people above commenting on the batting for obvious reasons but the absence of a decent spin bowler is also a massive problem. Look at the job Jadeja did for India - holding an end up, bowling it fast into the rough probably helping the seamers get the reverse swing ours were unable to get.

We desperately need to find a decent spinner asap, even one who is simply economical!
 

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Brilliant from India but pathetic batting from England today, losing 10 wickets for just 140 odd runs on a flat wicket in bright sunshine.

I really don't like these defensive tactics from Silverwood and Root, what other home side wouldn't go for a run chase when needing 290 with 10 wickets in hand? As Mark Waugh said, if you don't go for this run chase then why do you play the game?

We are a very ordinary test side.

Who says we didn't go for the runs? Looked to me as though the plan was to play normally first session and then start to step it up after lunch. Sure, we were about 15/20 runs lower at lunch than we would have liked but as soon as we started to try in session two to score more quickly we lost wickets - and that was then that in terms of a run chase.
 

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Lots of people above commenting on the batting for obvious reasons but the absence of a decent spin bowler is also a massive problem. Look at the job Jadeja did for India - holding an end up, bowling it fast into the rough probably helping the seamers get the reverse swing ours were unable to get.

We desperately need to find a decent spinner asap, even one who is simply economical!
Another feck up by Silverwood and Root. Should be playing Leach instead of Moeen.
 

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Malan will stay in as will Pope .

I remember on Pope Alex Stewart talking how wonderful he was before his debut and what a fantastic career he was going to have . He has to start to deliver now. Coming in at 5 and 6 when the hard work is largely done he should be doing better than he is.

Malan has done nothing wrong since coming in other than failing to do an impression of Usain Bolt today! He has looked a calm presence at three and will (and should) stay IMO.

Pope reminds me of early-career Ian Bell: huge amounts of talent and the potential to score lots of runs for England but a bit dodgy in defence and always finding ways to get out. Let's hope his career comes good like Bell's did! :)
 

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Another feck up by Silverwood and Root. Should be playing Leach instead of Moeen.

Hasn't played a lot of cricket apparently but then neither had Woakes and he did fine!
 

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We are 2nd rate.
 

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My eyes are on how Matt Parkinson develops. He needs as much quality cricket as possible. Leach is a great competitor but not that special to keep out Ali.
Is Moeen special? Averages 37 with ball (Leach averages 30) and since the start of 2018 Moeen only averages 16 with the bat in test cricket so he's not adding much there either.

Parkinson could be a special talent (fingers crossed), Amar Virdi is a very good young bowler as well, turns it a long way.
 

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Really enjoyed listening to the radio commentary of the cricket yesterday, whilst gardening and today, whilst working. Excellent coverage. Yesterday during the tea break, they went over the leg over incident with Brian Johnston and Aggers. Really funny. Not heard it before.
 

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Seems to be that our middle order consists of very good white ball batsmen. I think if we are always in losing situations, having to survive, then our batting lineup is never going to work. Malan and Pope are good options for Test, I think Bairstow can be but need to be a wicket keeper to fulfil his potential. Stokes coming back will no doubt help and maybe the breakthrough of Livingstone aswell, not sure if he is built for Test cricket though
 

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Seems to be that our middle order consists of very good white ball batsmen. I think if we are always in losing situations, having to survive, then our batting lineup is never going to work. Malan and Pope are good options for Test, I think Bairstow can be but need to be a wicket keeper to fulfil his potential. Stokes coming back will no doubt help and maybe the breakthrough of Livingstone aswell, not sure if he is built for Test cricket though

Livingstone has a first class average of 38 and has also taken 43 first class wickets at mid-30s. Might be worth experimenting with particularly if Stokes does not return.
 

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Livingstone has a first class average of 38 and has also taken 43 first class wickets at mid-30s. Might be worth experimenting with particularly if Stokes does not return.
Don't see why not, question is who do you take out for him? Bairstow or Buttler. I'd take out Bairstow for Livingstone and Foakes in for Buttler
 

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Really enjoyed listening to the radio commentary of the cricket yesterday, whilst gardening and today, whilst working. Excellent coverage. Yesterday during the tea break, they went over the leg over incident with Brian Johnston and Aggers. Really funny. Not heard it before.
It was brilliant yesterday. Have you heard when Johnston sets up Aggers?


and this brilliant windup below of Boycott. GB got his 100th 100 at Headingley and they tell him the 100 he got in England v ROW series was going to be wiped out. making it his 99th 100 at his home ground 😂 Take a listen.

 

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Just back. Full credit to India. Bowling attack was absolutely on the money from start to finish.

As for England... swung on two moments of thoughtlessness, for me. Both involving left-handers safely protected at the none-striker's end from Jadeja who was beginning to make it spit and spin out of the foot-holes (to left-handers). Tactically important then to keep the right-hander on strike. Both incidents coming from the first ball of a Jadeja over...

1. Hameed hits it straight at short cover and calls for a single. There was NEVER a run. And even if it was 50-50 (which it wasn't), why so desperate to put the left-hander at the danger end with 5 balls left in the over and 70 overs left in the day to get 250 runs?

2. Again, first ball of a Jadeja over, with Moeen (left-hander) fresh at the crease and struggling. Root pushes fractionally wide of the fielder and they sneak a single. Fine... the run was on (just)... but in the circumstances, why take it? Very next ball, Jadeja gets one to spit and Moeen is caught at backward short. Mindless.

Finally, @badgerbee I'm sober as a judge but so full of pringles I can't face my dinner.
 

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Michael Vaughan's assessment in the post match TMS analysis of the fundamental England&Wales flaws:
1) On a flat pitch when the ball isn't swinging bowling 80mph seam does not win you matches.
2) The current side does not have the mental fortitude to turn a game round when things start going against them.

We are getting trashed (again) in Oz :(
 
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