England v New Zealand, Second Test

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You would drop Burns after he has scored 132 and 81 in two test matches? 🤨
As i said i have not watched England play in a few years. I don’t know Burns averages, i picked up on the NZ commentator yesterday that Root is the only English batsmen with an average over 40, the rest of our batting averages are well behind the nz boys. I confess I don’t know as much as you. I have watched cricket over the years, good and bad, but I was amazed just how poor we looked.
 

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38-3 Jesus. Burns is in the changing room now though.
 

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As i said i have not watched England play in a few years. I don’t know Burns averages, i picked up on the NZ commentator yesterday that Root is the only English batsmen with an average over 40, the rest of our batting averages are well behind the nz boys. I confess I don’t know as much as you. I have watched cricket over the years, good and bad, but I was amazed just how poor we looked.
Can’t disagree we look poor.
 

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Pope gone, although they have sent it up stairs.
 

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Technique problems left right and centre with these players I’m afraid.
 

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Would be starting to get very concerned now if I had a ticket for tomorrow
 

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Dog sh*t.
 

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Both our top scorers from the first innings out for ducks. Reminds me of a certain county....
 

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There are many players who have had bad starts to their careers who have gone on to do well. There can't be many who have had worse starts than Bracey. Div 2 players must despair, they're never going to be selected after this.

hang on, we are div.1 thank you
 

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Dreadful stuff. This must be one of the poorest top 7s we've put out in test cricket in the last 20 years.

May as well tell Wood and Broad to swing the bat and give the crowd some entertainment.

Stokes, Buttler, Bairstow, Malan, Sam Curran, Woakes, Archer and Leach should all come into contention for the India series.
 

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Dreadful stuff. This must be one of the poorest top 7s we've put out in test cricket in the last 20 years.

May as well tell Wood and Broad to swing the bat and give the crowd some entertainment.

Stokes, Buttler, Bairstow, Malan, Sam Curran, Woakes, Archer and Leach should all come into contention for the India series.

Bairstow won't be.
 

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Let's give some credit to a very good NZ side. Thought they have been impressive in their series. Will be an excellent contest next week.

16 wickets falling on a batting day 3 with the pitch being flat. That is interesting.

England were always going to prioritise the India series for this summer so I don't blame them for picking this side but as Nasser Hussain said the top 5 with the exception of Stokes and Butler are the best out their for England. That should be a worry and more so not playing a spinner especially when the conditions/ weather and winning the toss should have meant a spinner was essential.
 

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This was all kinds of awful. The worst thing is, nobody is even surprised.

The bowlers, as usual, played their part with the ball and kept the team in it. The batters, as usual, cocked it up.

If this is how we play a decent seam and swing attack we will get annihilated over the next 10 tests.

Also, and maybe it is just me, but I really struggle to “like” the team under Root/Silverwood. It all feels very Mourinho/Siege mentality.

Plenty of players to come back. Hard to pick the best side but we need to find a balance. If they want Anderson and Broad in we need an in-form Moeen as the spinner which allows for a third seamer (Woakes/Curran/Archer/Wood) as well as Stokes.

The side is missing that fight and grit that players like Stokes, Bairstow etc give. I am in the minority but I even liked the idea of Roy in the test side - OK it didn’t work out. Good luck picking a squad for India tests with limited (if any?) FC cricket to be played.
 

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The England players all need to go back to their counties and work on their batting technique and decision making and also how to build and innings and get through a difficult spell within an innings in the County Championship games for the next three weeks........oh........oh yeah........I wonder where the real problem is.
 

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This was all kinds of awful. The worst thing is, nobody is even surprised.

The bowlers, as usual, played their part with the ball and kept the team in it. The batters, as usual, cocked it up.

If this is how we play a decent seam and swing attack we will get annihilated over the next 10 tests.

Also, and maybe it is just me, but I really struggle to “like” the team under Root/Silverwood. It all feels very Mourinho/Siege mentality.

Plenty of players to come back. Hard to pick the best side but we need to find a balance. If they want Anderson and Broad in we need an in-form Moeen as the spinner which allows for a third seamer (Woakes/Curran/Archer/Wood) as well as Stokes.

The side is missing that fight and grit that players like Stokes, Bairstow etc give. I am in the minority but I even liked the idea of Roy in the test side - OK it didn’t work out. Good luck picking a squad for India tests with limited (if any?) FC cricket to be played.

Yes please :)
 

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Shizzz just seen the score. They must be desperate to see the football tomorrow!
 

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Wonder if England players are on some sort of bonus today, to make sure they get a decent number of overs played, so the authorities can minimise the spectator refunds.......
 

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Wonder if England players are on some sort of bonus today, to make sure they get a decent number of overs played, so the authorities can minimise the spectator refunds.......
No!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
 

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One ball was all it took.

NZ need 38 to win.
 

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England just can't bat consistently in test cricket any more. I suspect it's a combination of the players not being good enough and the increasing reliance of one day and 'smash it out the ground' cricket in recent years.

I did a bit of googling for England's lowest totals:

England Cricket Team Records & Stats | ESPNcricinfo.com

Although 122 doesn't quite feature, England have 6 of the lowest totals on this list in the past 5 years (5 of those in the past 3 years). When you consider these stats are on the entire history of England test cricket, that's pretty pathetic.
 

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England just can't bat consistently in test cricket any more. I suspect it's a combination of the players not being good enough and the increasing reliance of one day and 'smash it out the ground' cricket in recent years.

I did a bit of googling for England's lowest totals:

England Cricket Team Records & Stats | ESPNcricinfo.com

Although 122 doesn't quite feature, England have 6 of the lowest totals on this list in the past 5 years (5 of those in the past 3 years). When you consider these stats are on the entire history of England test cricket, that's pretty pathetic.

Im in agreement with your first point. It’s as if fans only want to see the shorter version of the game. 50 overs 40 overs 20/20 now 100. Batsmen in particular in England don‘t get enough of the “ grinding innings “that were about 20 or so years ago
 

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England&Wales XI for 1st test vs India 10 years ago:

Cook
Strauss
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Morgan
Prior
Broad
Swann
Tremlett
Anderson

:love:
😭
🤷‍♂️

Apart from arguably Stokes for Morgan and Archer for Tremlett, I'd have far more confidence in the other retirees getting their pads on and doing a far better job than the current incumbents.
 

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Im in agreement with your first point. It’s as if fans only want to see the shorter version of the game. 50 overs 40 overs 20/20 now 100. Batsmen in particular in England don‘t get enough of the “ grinding innings “that were about 20 or so years ago
Need to decide what we want then.test match cricket is the ultimate for me, and many others. Looking at the audience participation at Edgebaston they really loved it. Whoever runs the format of test cricket needs to get together and sort it out. It is slowly dying. I am limited in my cricket knowledge, but do we blame the shorter format game? Other countries seem to cope with it. Are the people at the very top just passengers, and do they need flushing out?
 

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England&Wales XI for 1st test vs India 10 years ago:

Cook
Strauss
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Morgan
Prior
Broad
Swann
Tremlett
Anderson

:love:
😭
🤷‍♂️

Apart from arguably Stokes for Morgan and Archer for Tremlett, I'd have far more confidence in the other retirees getting their pads on and doing a far better job than the current incumbents.
Maybe an argument for putting Buttler in for Prior
 

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Need to decide what we want then.test match cricket is the ultimate for me, and many others. Looking at the audience participation at Edgebaston they really loved it. Whoever runs the format of test cricket needs to get together and sort it out. It is slowly dying. I am limited in my cricket knowledge, but do we blame the shorter format game? Other countries seem to cope with it. Are the people at the very top just passengers, and do they need flushing out?

For me it’s Test Match Cricket for me, just by the name alone says it TEST
 

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We are top notch at white ball under the astute Morgan. Maybe he should lead all the sides in Australia. Red and White ball teams.
 

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We are top notch at white ball under the astute Morgan. Maybe he should lead all the sides in Australia. Red and White ball teams.
Apart from the fact his body couldn’t cope with 5 days of cricket and he hasn’t played red ball in years I would say that’s a good shout.
Root isn’t a captain. I’ve said above that the team isn’t “likeable” under him. Very little honesty. Too many soundbites. There is a lot of knowledge in the game and very little of it seems to be taken on board after a heavy defeat.
I find it amazing that Anderson and Broad still want to keep going tbh. If I had to bowl my heart out for 120 overs and then watch that batting I would be tempted to throw the ball to Crawley, Sibley et al and say “we have to do your job, you can do ours”
 

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England selections let them down in this series.. Stokes , Bairstow, Woakes and Buttler coming in would make this instantly better..
 
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