England v Pakistan 4th Test, The Oval

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Gonna need a lot of rain to save this one, folks. At least I watched the cricket that there was!
Well, indeed. It's raining now here in Brixton so your wish might be granted. I still quite enjoyed yesterday, in a masochistic sort of way, since I don't go to many internationals and it was good to see the players in RL. The kids even managed to enjoy the day. One of them got a glare from KP—who was fielding on the boundary—when the lad shouted "out!" at him. I spotted a couple of Bees too, which was nice.

Rain now getting heavier.
 

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I have a ticket for tomorrow....................I am not mad keen on using it at the moment.
 

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great rendition of last of the summer wine being played by the band !
 

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I don't see any reason why we can't save this :shrug:

Cook and Strauss have done well and we have plenty of quality to come. The pitch looks decent and although Asif is bowling well they don't have an attack that would frighten. If conditions are decent, and they should be better we can bat for all of tomorrow and give ourselves a chance to escape with a draw.

Good bowling performance from Harmison in particular, pity he isn't consistant :( but with rhythm he gets better and better.

First hour is big, Strauss has batted well through the series and Cook is a dogged player who likes to bat for long periods.

If Pakistan can look untroubled once the new ball has gone and the clouds have gone why can't England?
 

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Pakistan are refusing to come onto the field and play!
 

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The umpires are on the pitch, they think it's all over ...
 

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From the BBC: There is chaos at The Oval. Nobody knows what has happened. Rumours are flying around. Has the match been awarded to England because Pakistan are refusing to come out? The England players are in their training kit, standing around on their balcony.
 

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This has been the most interesting bit in a rather uneventful and dull series.
 
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According to BBC:

BBC web site said:
1807: Those same fans are amusing themselves by constructing the longest pint-pot snake of the summer so far. It's a monster - at least three anacondas in length.
 
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Covers coming on now...
 

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They have allegedly been accused of cheating with the ball. I for one am not surprised about that. :rolleyes:
 

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Statement: Meetings will take place at the close of play (i.e now) to determine whether play will take place tomorrow.
 

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I take it you didn't enjoy the day out. It was looking good for England to grind out a draw.

Sky team reckon that nothing untoward happened, indicating that it was a bad Hair day.
 

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I've had a chance to watch the highlights now and I'm still fuming! It was such a good day's cricket until the absurd scenes after tea. One of the biggest gripes was the refusal of the PA at the ground to tell us anything about what was going on. I've no idea whether or not the Pakistanis were tampering with the ball, but I was brought up to believe that the first rule of cricket is that the umpire's decision is final, whether or not you like it. And the Chairman of the PCB is not telling the truth when he says that the Pakistan team planned only a short delay and protest, because if that was the case, they would have come out to resume play when the umpires came out for a second time, with the England batsmen. But they didn't, so the PCB Chairman is telling porky pies.

And I still don't know whether or not to go to the Oval tomorrow!
 

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I was listening it on TMS and they were saying communications between officials and crowd were a joke. Having seen the highlights of it. It could possibly be a member of the crowd who have tampered with the ball
 

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Cricinfo reporting:

It's just been noted that the ICC office will be closed tomorrow. As the press release has it: "The day has been declared a holiday in Dubai to mark the Ascension of the Prophet (PBUH). The office will be open as normal on Sunday 20 August (8.30am - 5pm) and, after the day off, it will reopen at 8.30am on Tuesday 22 August." Could this situation get much more farcical? Probably not...
 

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Isn't there someone from the ICC in England? The match referee should be able to sort it out on his own, surely?

By the way, the Channel 5 highlights didn't do justice to the boo-ing that Pakistan received when they eventually took the field, and there were loud chants of "You're cheats and you know you are." I didn't see any coverage on C5 of the longest plastic beer glass snake I've ever seen, either.
 

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you'll get it, won't you?

if you're complaining about today - you got to see a fair chunk of cricket :shrug:
 

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An unbelievable situation.

For Hair to penalise Pakistan in this way he had to be 110% sure they had doctored the ball and IMHO the battering Pietersen was giving it I don't see how he can be sure.

Pakistan have every right to be upset with the way they were treated but those are the rules and once Hair makes that call they have to play on, their mini-protest lost them any sypathy and, it seems, the match.

IMHO the umpires and Pakistan were both in the wrong. Pakistan had the moral high-ground but gave it away and the umpires have the rules on their side and if the match referee won't 'sack' them England must be awarded the match.

If Pakistan had played on, complained bitterly at tea and after the day they would have probably been proved to be in the right and come out with everyone on their side.

I suspect we will now see Pakistan fly home and Hair and Doctrove never umpire a match again.

It's a shame as England batted really well and were on the way to justifying my optimism, but that will now get forgotted.

It has also cost Ian Bell the chance to make cricketing history :(
 

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I don't think Pakistan will fly home. They have no beef with England and have been very clear about that. They will be happy to play the ODI series as long as Hair isn't the umpire. And I wouldn't blame Doctrove, the junior umpire, either.

Yes I will get tomorrow's ticket money refunded, minus 10%. But I think that there should be a refund of today's too, or at least a portion, as it wasn't bad weather that resulted in the loss of the evening session.
 

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Sky have confirmed that the match has been abandoned which possibly means England would win by default.

Seriously though, this is a farce. No one yet knows what the result is yet. Pietersen was hitting sixes into the crowd, which means it could have bounced off concrete or anything.
 

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High farce all round.

I was at the Oval with Edmund, The Prophet and Feltham John. I had only planned on staying to the tea interval as I have a busy day at work tomorrow and needed to prepare for that.

At around 2.30pm there was a protracted delay while the umpires inspected the ball and, what was odd to me at the time, they then presented a new set of balls to the batsmen. There then followed the simple statement that England had been awarded a five run penalty with no further explanation to the crowd. If it hadn't been for the fact that I was tuned to TMS, on and off, I wouldn't have been any the wiser.

Thought no more of it: left the Oval at around 4pm when the players went off for an early tea, bad light cutting short the afternoon session.

Followed the rest on the TV and TMS and the whole thing sounds like a complete shambles.

I accept, of course, that the umpire's decision is final and should be accepted without question. A quick "google" for the words Pakistan and ball-tampering throw up 11,900 entries in just 0.15 seconds. They are hardly new allegations. And no, the irony that this should be happening at the Oval is not lost on me!

Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, the allegation against Pakistan is a very serious one. Darrell Hare (and it was Darrell who was taking the initiative on this) is effectively accusing the Pakistani team of cheating; it is not sufficient to say that the ball has been tampered with, he needs to have direct evidence that a member of the Pakistani side was responsible for this.

It's hardly an original thesis, I know, but I have never felt particularly comfortable with the fact that when Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram first perfected the art of "reverse swing" there was always the nudge-nudge, wink-wink implication that it wasn't exactly, urm, cricket. Fast forward to the Summer of 2005 and Simon Jones plays a large part in returning the Ashes on the back of his bowling at Trent Bridge and Edgbaston with his reverse swing.

There can be few rights and wrongs in this, just intransigence, but I do think the ICC are guilty of staggering incompetence if they are unable to resolve this. The cricket authorities need to be aware of mugs like me who continue to shell out staggering amounts of money for a game that is poorly administed.
 

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so the ECB should have to pay for this? give me a break...

agree with WEB, Pakistan were in the right but have handled this awfully :nono:
 

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Sky have confirmed that the match has been abandoned which possibly means England would win by default.

their website doesn't mention this, and the BBC Sport headline is "Cricket bosses bid to save test"... :shrug:

it seems staggering that this couldn't have been sorted a lot, lot quicker, but the ICC are a bunch of morons :sad:
 

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. . . but I do think the Pakistani's were being a bit childish!

I would hate to think that any England team were accused of cheating, but would expect them to knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.
 

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so the ECB should have to pay for this? give me a break...
The cricketing public certainly shouldn't have to. I'm fed up of being taken for granted, the stupid bad light rule, being lied to by the bloke on the PA today and although the amount of money to me is trivial, the principle is there and the ECB, PCB and ICC should acknowledge some responsibility, but they won't of course. They will hide in their hospitality boxes, wearing their stupid bacon and egg ties and continue to treat us mugs with contempt. :mad1:
 

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The meeting involving the captains, the umpires, the coaches, the referee, ICC representative etc. We are now awaiting an adjudication from the ICC.

From 5Live
 
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If the umpires refuse to stand, why don't they replace the umpires?
 

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Cricinfo now reporting:

9.10pm After the news that the Test was off there are again further conflicting reports coming out of the The Oval with sources saying the match is still on. The amazing events continue to unfold.

8.50pm The Test match has finally been called off after a farcical afternoon and evening on the fourth day. The actual result is, as yet, unknown, but we will keep you posted.
 
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