Euro 2020 Finals tickets
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The right move. Better than trying to fudge it.
I’d already cancelled my hotels a week ago.
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This is must read for anyone with tickets
theathletic.com
Fans won’t get Euro 2020 refunds if games move — unless they act now
Football supporters have just 12 days to apply for a refund for Euro 2020 tickets or face losing their money should fixtures be moved amid growing doubts...
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Blimey, I’d get in quick!! Just in case UEFA run out of funds! You never know who is “on the take”!!?This is must read for anyone with tickets
Fans won’t get Euro 2020 refunds if games move — unless they act now
Football supporters have just 12 days to apply for a refund for Euro 2020 tickets or face losing their money should fixtures be moved amid growing doubts...
That’s crap and too risky for everyone, surely? The ticket costa were astronomical anyway! I’d get mine refunded ASAP, if I purchased any.
hanworthbee
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I have three for England v scotland... Going to wing It And see what happens as money gone already....
ladbroke
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That was my thinking.
I've got a single ticket for round 3 of group matches at Hampden. It cost roughly £50 - 18 months ago. Money I havent seen since. Yes itd be great to have money again in pocket but its a lottery either way.
Never have I been to any Euro or World Cup finals and I dont want to give that up 6 months before the event on the potential of it being cancelled.
I cant see it being moved from Hampden, but could see it behind closed doors. Unless UEFA really are money grabbing ****s and move it purely for revenue. I'm sure many countries currently don't have fans in, or many for that matter.
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My Father-in-Law got tickets through an ad in the Guardian to attend all of Englands games in the 1966 World Cup. He sent his cheque off, got the tickets, attended all the games and the Final. All totally legitimate. Nowadays?
Alex
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We have 7 for Munich and 7 for Budapest, think we best cash them in.
pompeybee
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A friend of mine still has a ticket for a game at Roker Park, which he bought at the gate on the night.
They’ve ‘updated the ts&cs’ after the tickets have been sold? Is that legal? Or will that only apply to new tickets sold? Even if it does would it constitute a fair contract? Sound like UEFA legal advisors are winging it slightly.This is must read for anyone with tickets
Fans won’t get Euro 2020 refunds if games move — unless they act now
Football supporters have just 12 days to apply for a refund for Euro 2020 tickets or face losing their money should fixtures be moved amid growing doubts...
pompeybee
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Can't really see the problem if they are offering a full refund. Don't suppose there are many experts on Swiss consumer law on here though.
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The point is that no one will know whether the match(es) for which they have tickets will have changed venue until March, at which point the chance to get a refund will have passed.
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I get the issue - I have a ticket myself for match in Bilbao - but I think they've covered themselves legally by offering a refund now. If you hold onto your tickets you're accepting the risk.
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I think I’ll keep my Wembley tickets and get a refund for those abroad.
I can’t see games being moved away from Wembley and then being played in front of fans. It’s the biggest stadium in use.
I can’t see games being moved away from Wembley and then being played in front of fans. It’s the biggest stadium in use.
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Very positive noises about Wembley still being able to host games. If anything, I expect we might end up with more games rather than fewer
I suppose it is legal to change the T&Cs provided the new terms are themselves legal, and if you offer people the opportunity to take a refund if they don't like it.
Getting a refund if the game is played behind closed doors is not a problem under the new T&Cs it is the wider uncertainty.
I have 2 tickets for games in Bilbao, Dublin and Rome across a fortnight. For all I know they go ahead as scheduled, they could be played behind closed doors (so I am then only on the hook for any travel costs incurred) or they could all end up played in Baku. Or my back garden.
It's hard to know what to do. I guess every individual has to weigh up the potential financial risk vs. their desire to attend which is not a happy position for anyone to be put in.
The only thing I would say is, if the games go ahead with fans there is bound to be demand for tickets issued pretty much anywhere in Europe for pretty much any game? With there having been no football with fans for so long. And UEFA have been good at doing re-sale portals to cut down on touting. The chances of being on the hook for tickets that you can't use personally and cannot re-sell at face value appear small to me - but all the more reason UEFA should bear this small risk rather than fans.
Getting a refund if the game is played behind closed doors is not a problem under the new T&Cs it is the wider uncertainty.
I have 2 tickets for games in Bilbao, Dublin and Rome across a fortnight. For all I know they go ahead as scheduled, they could be played behind closed doors (so I am then only on the hook for any travel costs incurred) or they could all end up played in Baku. Or my back garden.
It's hard to know what to do. I guess every individual has to weigh up the potential financial risk vs. their desire to attend which is not a happy position for anyone to be put in.
The only thing I would say is, if the games go ahead with fans there is bound to be demand for tickets issued pretty much anywhere in Europe for pretty much any game? With there having been no football with fans for so long. And UEFA have been good at doing re-sale portals to cut down on touting. The chances of being on the hook for tickets that you can't use personally and cannot re-sell at face value appear small to me - but all the more reason UEFA should bear this small risk rather than fans.
Good news if true.
I'd be surprised they cut the acceptable range down to 50 kilometres - I'd have thought they'd have said something like 300 miles or anywhere within the same country. It doesn't actually give them very much flexibility.
e.g. you could move a game from Hampden to Celtic Park to enable more social distancing
But you couldn't move Bilbao's games to Madrid or Barcelona without offering refunds all round.
This is fine of course but a significant climb down.
I'd be surprised they cut the acceptable range down to 50 kilometres - I'd have thought they'd have said something like 300 miles or anywhere within the same country. It doesn't actually give them very much flexibility.
e.g. you could move a game from Hampden to Celtic Park to enable more social distancing
But you couldn't move Bilbao's games to Madrid or Barcelona without offering refunds all round.
This is fine of course but a significant climb down.
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Alex
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Did they ever actually say it, was it someone else scaremongering? It's on the ticket site as below that there has been no change.
Well, this is the policy.
I think it's splitting hairs whether the new reference to 50 kilometres is a change of policy or an overdue clarification of the original policy I think they are just covering their own backsides. Because the policy says, if your game is moved due to the pandemic and they decide (seemingly entirely at their own discretion) it's valid, you can't have a refund. They could have explained how they would decide whether your ticket is valid and included this 50 kilometre policy, but did not.
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So looks like this was always the case and it has only come to light due to them announcing a change of conditions that people have actually looked at the conditions they agreed to? I know I never looked a them. We're still stuck with 3 tickets for Munich as someone in our group bought them off stubhub and their policy is your stuck with them, if you cant use them re-sell them here. I hope the whole thing is played behind closed doors or cancelled.
I find that hard to believe given that the email from UEFA said " ... as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic, and also to reflect the 2021 tournament dates, we have made some changes to our ticketing terms and conditions, refund policy and the privacy notification associated with the ticketing sales".
I suppose it's possible that this now concerning part was always there. At the very least a previously obscure part of it relating to venue changes as a direct result of "force majeure" has become rather more important to need clarity ... Nothing wrong with that.
That's the spirit
I for one hope we get to attend some football
Alex
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Me too but it won't be the games I planned to go to in Amsterdam, Munich and Budapest. I wont be travelling out of the country in June, I do not deem it safe to do so and I have lost a shed load of money on this already. We booked non-refundable trains first class between venues, DB said as a result of the pandemic they would extend the validity of these tickets till October 20 as a goodwill gesture, this goodwill gesture caused my travel insurance not to pay out as they said the tickets weren't cancelled or unusable even though the whole reason for their purchase was cancelled.That's the spirit
Its a personal thing for me as the issue I have is with the stubhub tickets as I didnt and wouldnt have bought these tickets, someone else in our group thought it was a good idea to do this and now we are stuck with them.
Ashford Bees
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This will be in a single country, possibly 2, all behind closed doors. There's no way this is going to be a fans attended tournament until the whole of Europe is vaccinated and Covid free.
Australia and NZ have closed their borders until 2022....can see Europe following suit to be honest
Australia and NZ have closed their borders until 2022....can see Europe following suit to be honest
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It seems the decision will be made in April. Just goes to show what we've always known - England is capable of hosting a major tournament with only 2 months' notice, so quite why FIFA is handing out tournaments to Qatar, Russia and the entire North American continent...
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Glad I held onto my tickets!
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I would assume that if a decision is to be made in April then the intervening period will need to be filled with a lot of planning...and an agreement that we would be willing.It seems the decision will be made in April. Just goes to show what we've always known - England is capable of hosting a major tournament with only 2 months' notice, so quite why FIFA is handing out tournaments to Qatar, Russia and the entire North American continent...
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So Hampden/Scottish government have confirmed 25% (12k) will attend.
So how do theh decide who gets to go? Pairs/multiples of 2, singles? Other groups....
Im a single ticket holder. Personally can't see it.
So how do theh decide who gets to go? Pairs/multiples of 2, singles? Other groups....
Im a single ticket holder. Personally can't see it.
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hanworthbee
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Whoever drinks the most can get in ...
if it's like the snooker - which I had tickets for until 2 hours ago - they will ask who wants a refund /volunteers not to attend, sometimes multiple offers, and then there'll be a ballot of everyone else. whether they can bias it partly or entirely towards the more expensive tickets, I'm not sure. I doubt they will split booked groups up in terms of success of failure, you'll just all get a ticket or not get one. whether they can hope with separate households being booked together...shrug.
The snooker is probably easier because at least I had the option of just saying I'd go to the same session in 2022 instead (when I hope the pubs and the city in general will be fully open, etc).
And if the games in Ireland (or elsewhere) get moved to England or Scotland, will any of those tickets get offered to those who bought tickets but were unlucky in England/Scotland ballots? A nightmare.
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Let's be honest the whole thing should be hosted in one country. With Covid clearly not under control in Europe and only just "under control" here the whole idea of squads moving around hotels and cities is stupid.
Clearly UK with our vaccination programme would be a clear favourite just to host it. But politics and money will prevent sensible decisions being made.
Clearly UK with our vaccination programme would be a clear favourite just to host it. But politics and money will prevent sensible decisions being made.
Kingston Bee
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Fully agree, and this is football we are talking about. Being sensible does not come into it.
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Agree entirely - even if there had been no pandemic.
But it's all to do with money (for the hosts) and the UEFA Blazers wanting to keep in with as many Member Associations as possible, so they'll continue to spread it round as widely as they can.
Meanwhile, today was the deadline for the various host cities to disclose how many fans their governments would allow to attend.
Most have said they will allow between 25% and 50%, though Rome and Munich have yet to confirm exactly how many.
While it's not looking so good for Dublin, who are due to host 3 group games and a knockout. Shift them across the water to England? (Cardiff has also been mentioned)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56667738
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Actually the Mail is claiming Bilbao is also looking shaky:
Euro 2020 host Bilbao at risk of losing matches -England could benefit
- Bilbao told UEFA it could accommodate 25 per cent capacity at the San Mames
- However, the Spanish FA has since undermined the host city and say it couldn't
Euro 2020 host Bilbao at risk of losing matches -England could benefit
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I think it’s more likely those games will get moved to another Spanish stadium, probably Atletico’s.
England may well get the Dublin games
Someone mentioned elsewhere about the foolishness of the Europe-wide idea, even pre-pandemic.
I'm not sure about that. I think it was considered a pragmatic solution back in 2012 - after the last recession and with the tournament now being 24 teams (a bigger foolish decision perhaps), only Turkey had shown a serious interest in bidding. The smaller countries that were happy to host a 16 team tournament perhaps co-hosting with one other, but a larger tournament is a much bigger commitment.
I also think the travel issue wouldn't have been such an issue in normal times. Since about 1998 the idea of having local groups within a country has largely been ditched because "fans want to see loads of different teams" - so players and fans schlep around every corner of Brazil or France or wherever to follow their team. Flying between European capitals is not actually much more time consuming or expensive than a long journey within one country. some of the country pairs for groups are a bit laughable (Dublin and Bilbao, Rome and Baku) but it's better than a total jumble.
I'm not sure about that. I think it was considered a pragmatic solution back in 2012 - after the last recession and with the tournament now being 24 teams (a bigger foolish decision perhaps), only Turkey had shown a serious interest in bidding. The smaller countries that were happy to host a 16 team tournament perhaps co-hosting with one other, but a larger tournament is a much bigger commitment.
I also think the travel issue wouldn't have been such an issue in normal times. Since about 1998 the idea of having local groups within a country has largely been ditched because "fans want to see loads of different teams" - so players and fans schlep around every corner of Brazil or France or wherever to follow their team. Flying between European capitals is not actually much more time consuming or expensive than a long journey within one country. some of the country pairs for groups are a bit laughable (Dublin and Bilbao, Rome and Baku) but it's better than a total jumble.
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hanworthbee
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22k at wembley this summer..wonder how they'll allocate the tickets
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Random ballot among existing ticket holders apparently
I still have tickets for the quarter final in Rome who are letting in 25-33% capacity. If I keep the tickets and am selected to actually get a seat in any ballot, I would have to obey international travel rules to get to and Rome to attend the game - at the moment this involves 5 days quarantine on arrival in Italy and 2 negative Covid tests.... By early July, who knows. Have to decide on these today.
I also have tickets for Dublin and Bilbao who are threatening not to have any fans. I wonder if those games could be moved to England? Have to decide on these by Monday by when hopefully there will be news on which country the game will be played in!
None of the tickets is life changing money. I may return hold on to the Rome tickets on the off chance and return the others...and so, just put up with missing out if I get the tickets and there is no "travel corridor" by then.
I also have tickets for Dublin and Bilbao who are threatening not to have any fans. I wonder if those games could be moved to England? Have to decide on these by Monday by when hopefully there will be news on which country the game will be played in!
None of the tickets is life changing money. I may return hold on to the Rome tickets on the off chance and return the others...and so, just put up with missing out if I get the tickets and there is no "travel corridor" by then.
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We’ve dumped our Rome tickets - no chance of getting there IMO.
If I were you I’d be more inclined to hold onto the other two as they could be moved to London.
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I don't have a link, but my Spanish friend told me yesterday that UEFA have announced that the Bilbao games are going to Madrid or Seville. I had tickets for Spain v Sweden in Bilbao but have decided I can't be doing with the uncertainty about where and when, rearranging travel and accommodation etc.
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Athletic now reporting that UEFA unlikely to sanction a move to Seville as they don’t want new venues coming into the fray at this stage.
Very likely Wembley will get some more games
nick logan
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as no travelling fans , are tickets being resold ?
Perhaps. I have a Dublin group match, not the knock-out game that might feature England.
The detail of this article
Wembley to be given extra Euro 2020 tie
Wembley is set to be given an extra Euro 2020 last-16 tie - which could involve England - when Uefa addresses uncertainty around matches in Dublin, Bilbao and Munich on Friday.
www.bbc.co.uk
"A fixture clash means Dublin's group-stage games will not go to Wembley."
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" Stadiums in England other than Wembley are thought to have been ruled out for the group matches that were due to be played in Dublin. "
so I think I'm pretty unlikely to find the Dublin tickets end up being of any use. We'll see about Bilbao.
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No, they’ll still be well over-subscribed due to the capacity restrictions i.e 22,500 at Wembley.
I expect the tickets for overseas fans will be stripped out during the ballot process but that will still leave far more tickets sold than seats available.
I’ve still got tickets for up to six Wembley games but I’m not holding out much hope of my tickets being valid for any.
ladbroke
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Can't believe they've moved Dublin fixtures to St Petersburg.