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Whilst I appreciate there is still a long transfer window not ending until October 16, we play our first competitive game on Sunday.

I fully expect Ollie and Said will leave but if we can keep the rest of the squad and add a couple more we will be in good shape. Priority for me is a back up right back and a central midfield player, I think one could say we would have had a good transfer window. Losing Raya or Henry on top will be tough.

We should have gone up last year but we didn't and must move on. I fully expect we will do. Whilst I have not seen Toney play I am excited by his signing and together with Forss we have a back up striker something we lacked last year. I can see between them both will score around 30 goals and more than makes up for Ollie's (expected) departure.

The biggest signing for me however, is keeping Norgaard. To me was the player of the season and instrumental to our play.

The division is weak this year, and I have yet to see a team sign someone and think wow wish we brought him. C-19 has really affected some teams hugely so to think we have signed the player of league 1 shows our strength and appeal.

Start the season well, turn the 1-0 excessive defeats we had last year into draws and with lady luck on injuries, I can see us getting automatically promoted.

I predict we will finish Champions. But I have the right to change my mind on the morning of 17 October.
 

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I predicted top 2 last season when we had a lot of players to integrate and the unknown about whether and how quickly Watkins could make some form of central striker.

This season the competition is weaker (3 of the 4 strongest teams in the league, by some margin, went up). The relegated clubs don’t look up to much (when you’re getting in 36 year old Glenn Murray or the deeply limited Hugill...). We seem to be putting up a not for sale sign on everyone bar Ollie and Said and have replacements in, whether already owned or just bought in Toney. The spine and structure of the 8 least attacking positions is as last year- a miserly defence that transitions to feed attack Plentifully, but with a whole hard season together behind them.

I think like Leeds and WBA last season we’ll use the disappointment of missing out in ths play offs as a catalyst to go up comfortably. There’ll be unexpected set backs along the way and still vestiges of Brentford innit so I’m not going to say top spot but as with 13-14 I don’t really care whether we win the league or “just” get promoted. Though it would be the icing on the cake to be presented with the league trophy at our home game v Watford. Nobody will care what our seat colours are then.
 

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If we go into the season with the current squad (minus Said and Ollie) then we should get top six and are a good bet for top two. Looks like a weaker league. 2nd place, 30+ goals for Toney and massive seasons for Canos, Mbeumo, Emiliano, and Josh DaSilva.
 

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Top 2, hopefully champions. Oli replaced by Toney who knows English football and is a natural centre forward who I think will hit the ground running.

The rest of the side is completely settled. Sergi replaces Benrahma, with Fosu and Valencia to impact off the bench. Young Marcus an able hungry option from the bench.

Baptiste and Marcondes will play a huge part too in rotation with Dasilva and Jensen.

If I was being ultra greedy would like another DM in to support Norgaard.

Overall we're in great shape, think many of the opposition sides look very average. Good start imperative and believe we'll fly from there.
 

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Hmmmm i wouldnt discount the teams coming down. All three are still strong and will be a tough trio. Watford will be very strong and Norwich and Bmuff also have the players to compete at the top of this league.

For me i am hoping for top 6 and see where we go from there. The loss of Watkins and Said will be big regardless of the players coming in. Toney will hopefully fill in for OW................ But for me and i know he started slowly last season but SB was such a game changer/winner for us last year. Can we replace him? Who knows. We may even look at going for a different style as i would imagine the likes of Said are hard to come by.

But then again we have a few who are now a year further on in their development and i think our squad is still in a good place.

Hopefully one or two more to come in and no more outgoings.
 

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I think expectations are being guided by what happened last year and it’s all too easy to hope / expect we’ll do better this season.
We rely heavily on not getting injuries to key players with a relatively small squad (minus b teamers who can do a job).
The new ground effect may take some time to bed in and feel like home.
We often give the rest of the field a head start and by time transfer window is over we will probably have at least 3 new starters. Still no guarantee we will hit the ground running wherever the new boys come from.

My prediction : 8th
 

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I think expectations are being guided by what happened last year and it’s all too easy to hope / expect we’ll do better this season.
We rely heavily on not getting injuries to key players with a relatively small squad (minus b teamers who can do a job).
The new ground effect may take some time to bed in and feel like home.
We often give the rest of the field a head start and by time transfer window is over we will probably have at least 3 new starters. Still no guarantee we will hit the ground running wherever the new boys come from.

My prediction : 8th
No chance.

Top two. And I’m pessimist by nature.
 

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Bit of tempting fate going on. We are well placed in terms of squad but we all know that every game is a test in this league. For me the key will be to build on our defensive strength as that's where the necessary consistency will come from.
 

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Bit of tempting fate going on. We are well placed in terms of squad but we all know that every game is a test in this league. For me the key will be to build on our defensive strength as that's where the necessary consistency will come from.
That's why I'm optimistic. The defence and midfield look like they will be intact when the transfer window closes.

We've generally always scored goals, despite changes in forward personnel, but the defence, apart from last season, has always been suspect. Every reason to be confident, Pinnock and Norgaard will be even better this season, and I'm sure the rest will be as steady, if not better, than they were last year as well.
 

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Our inability to get over the line will result in POs again. I think we will be harder to beat and less prone to dropping points against teams that get in our face and battle. Norwich and Watford will be dangerous and there could be a side that comes from out of the pack, Stoke perhaps. I always thought we would meet Fulham in this year's PO final - although I thought we would win - and expect us to be lining up against Colin's Middlesbrough in the PO semis. I am hoping that we will have acquired some mental strength but history says otherwise.
 

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Big target on our back but we've got some damn good players now. With Swansea as the best of the footballing teams, who knows which of the cloggers will come good. Top six and then break the jinx.(just been watching The Wire, so sentences shorter than usual, do you feel me?)
 

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Main worry is that there are a lot of anti-football teams out there now. Birmingham should be a good indicator of how we can cope with that. Good news is that in Toney we have a different option with the ability to go more direct.. I think with a more settled squad we should be in good shape and hope that the likes of Jensen, marcondes, Baptiste will kick on. Mbuemo will score a hatful, who will join him? We should def hit top 6 and if we start well and recruit well before the window.......
 

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I worry about two things....

Firstly, we’ve had a huge amount of exposure in the last few months. Everyone now knows how we play, and more importantly how we can be beaten.

Secondly, and I know I’ve mentioned this elsewhere just recently, but I do worry about the quality and inexperience of our squad players. I like Fosu, and Baptiste shows a lot of potential but the likes of Zamburek and Valencia bring very little to the table. The jury is still out on Goode... Roerslev is injured - seemingly for a while and even Marcondes and Canos - while ok, aren’t the players for another promotion push - all IMHO, of course. It goes without saying that I hope to proven very wrong and will gladly eat humble pie. :)

I’d expect us to finish 8th/9th.... apologies for the pessimism.
 

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In terms of raw squad quality, we're comfortably in the top 6.

I think the key thing for us will be how we deal with bad spells, when they inevitably occur in a long season. We have to make sure that a 3-game blip doesn't turn into 6 or 7 games, which can be a problem for teams under pressure or dealing with trauma from the previous season. It's happened to the likes of Leeds & Derby in recent years, who kept hitting a wall when the going got tough - and of course we had to ride a difficult spell ourselves on the road to promotion at the start of the 2013/14 season (remember Stevenage and Bradford away).

We have to use the extra experience as positive thing. We've got a young side who choked against Stoke and Barnsley when confronted with a new opportunity for the first time, but hopefully now we'll learn how to deal with them better next time, though it's a shame that we haven't had a proper pre-season to recover and prepare again. Hopefully we can put ourselves in a position like 13/14 when we were so far ahead anyway that we didn't have to rely on single high-pressure matches.

It's an old cliche, but take each game as it comes. We have the quality, and we have a hard-working group of players and staff. Let's make sure we get the psychological stuff right and keep growing.
 

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I worry about two things....

Firstly, we’ve had a huge amount of exposure in the last few months. Everyone now knows how we play, and more importantly how we can be beaten.

Secondly, and I know I’ve mentioned this elsewhere just recently, but I do worry about the quality and inexperience of our squad players. I like Fosu, and Baptiste shows a lot of potential but the likes of Zamburek and Valencia bring very little to the table. The jury is still out on Goode... Roerslev is injured - seemingly for a while and even Marcondes and Canos - while ok, aren’t the players for another promotion push - all IMHO, of course. It goes without saying that I hope to proven very wrong and will gladly eat humble pie. :)

I’d expect us to finish 8th/9th.... apologies for the pessimism.
Assuming what the club says is correct; only Said and Ollie leave and if Canos replaces Said, this is our potential 'second XI'; Daniels, Thompson, Sorenson, Goode, Roerslev (injured), Baptiste, Zamburek, Marcondes, Fosu, Forss, Valencia. And there is still Halil on the bench. That is ridiculous squad depth.

It's noticeable how much some of the youngsters in there have bulked up - Sorenson looks a beast. They have also all been here a while now and know how we play.

IMHO, that team on its own finishes mid table.
 

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Assuming what the club says is correct; only Said and Ollie leave and if Canos replaces Said, this is our potential 'second XI'; Daniels, Thompson, Sorenson, Goode, Roerslev (injured), Baptiste, Zamburek, Marcondes, Fosu, Forss, Valencia. And there is still Halil on the bench. That is ridiculous squad depth.

It's noticeable how much some of the youngsters in there have bulked up - Sorenson looks a beast. They have also all been here a while now and know how we play.

IMHO, that team on its own finishes mid table.
Fosu > Canos.
 

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Said and Ollie are as good as sold and the replacements have been identified. For the good of everyone at the club it's best these deals are completed this week.

I know TF and the club have said that's it in terms of sales but sadly we know football isn't that easy. We need to hold our nerve and keep Rico and Raya at the club but also have them on board and happy with the club's decision - bids will come in before the 16th October which is likely to offer them big moves.

If we keep those two the squad is in a good place; defensively there is no reason why we can't repeat our record from last season; Goode and a more experienced Thompson will help.

Between Forss (I think he'll finish highest goalscorer) and Toney with a fit again Canos we'll replace the BMW goals. Apart from potentially losing Rayo and Rico our biggest issue is going to be our tactics.

When we seen Scott Parker completly changing his tactics in the final to a way he'll likely never use again we know we've a problem. Tactically we've been found out; managers know how to stop us being effective and this ultimately cost us promotion.

In a league that has Warnock, Rowett, O'Neill, Harris to name just four; add that to Forest, Birmingham and Barnsley's style of football we need a plan b.

TF is a great head coach, the club is like a factory from identifying players, using the same coaching set up right through the club to eventually improving the player to play first team football and adding significant value. However as we seen at the end of last season when the big crunch games come around; the ones to get over the line we need to think tactically which includes looking at the opposition.

Leeds, Forest, Stoke, Barnsley, Fulham tactically beat us hands down in the second half of last season. Sometimes plan A works but sometimes we need to be a bit more tactically aware to get over the line. Personally without being negative opportunties like last season won't come up every year; I don't see us challenging for top 2 for the reasons mentioned above (we're no longer a surprise and for some are easy to set up against) but I do reckon we'll compete for 5th, 6th.
 

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For the good of everyone at the club it's best these deals are completed this week
For the good of everyone at the club it's best to maximise the revenue from the sales.
 

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Assuming what the club says is correct; only Said and Ollie leave and if Canos replaces Said, this is our potential 'second XI'; Daniels, Thompson, Sorenson, Goode, Roerslev (injured), Baptiste, Zamburek, Marcondes, Fosu, Forss, Valencia. And there is still Halil on the bench. That is ridiculous squad depth.

It's noticeable how much some of the youngsters in there have bulked up - Sorenson looks a beast. They have also all been here a while now and know how we play.

IMHO, that team on its own finishes mid table.
I’m not sure MBS necessarily needed to bulk up, he was hardly a waif.
 

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To watch at least one game at Lionel Road.

Watch most games on ifollow enabling each time to take myself back to smoking weed in my mates shed whilst playing sensible soccer...

Expect to drop points against shut hoof ball merchants!!!

To lose FA cup third round

To gain promotion by April
 

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The treble.
 

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What happened at the end of the season? Specifically Stoke and Barnsley games, chuck in Fulham as well.

Have we been "figured out"? Did we crack under pressure? I don't know the answers but they both heavily influence how the new season will pan out.

I expect if we overcome whatever went on we'll be challenging at the top, anyone EXPECTING automatic clearly hasn't watched the Championship much :D
 

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I think BB is right to say that squad depth will be a major challenge this season. Jansson aside we got through last season largely unscathed as far as injuries go although we were starting to creak prior to the suspension and the team we had to put out at Luton wasn’t ideal.

Watkins has already been replaced and I’m hopeful Said will be as well. But aside from the Jensen/Marcondes debate, the first XI will more or less pick itself.

The schedule is gruelling so we could probably do with one or two more...
 

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For the good of everyone at the club it's best to maximise the revenue from the sales.
Totally agree. And from what I hear neither player are being disruptive and both training really well. The situation is what it is.
 

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...ahhh...the good old crystal ball thread doth return...we'll be a whole different team with the BMW being dismantled....but if Tesla Toney fires on all cylinders we're surely a top six team....i'd be very surprised if ANY team this coming season runs away with the league....extremely open....staying power and endurance required.
 

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I think starting season again BCD at our new ground will be helpful to us.
Expecting the season to be another entertaining rollercoaster, more unpredictable than any in recent history.
Hoping for somewhere between 1-6 again.....
 

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Top four for me. I'm a bit concerned that following Roerslev's injury TF is mentioning the possibility of playing 3-4-3 with wing-backs: that may have worked for other clubs but I've never yet seen it work for us, and with the proven strength of our two first choice central defenders I don't think it's a good idea to try this again.
 

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11/8 to be top 6. lumped 200 on as a sure thing. Hoping for top 2.

Always hope for top 2 or no point in existing.

If we get a good start there will be no stopping us, if we get our traditional sh*t start | will be less optimistic.
 

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Top four for me. I'm a bit concerned that following Roerslev's injury TF is mentioning the possibility of playing 3-4-3 with wing-backs: that may have worked for other clubs but I've never yet seen it work for us, and with the proven strength of our two first choice central defenders I don't think it's a good idea to try this again.
If you are worried about Roeslev then you are looking for things to be worried about. We have time, money and existing cover and he is only a back up to that position anyway.

We have three monster CB's now, 343 excites me massively. We have been screaming out for a plan B and putting 4 in the middle was what we needed ion the final.
 

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If you are worried about Roeslev then you are looking for things to be worried about. We have time, money and existing cover and he is only a back up to that position anyway.

We have three monster CB's now, 343 excites me massively. We have been screaming out for a plan B and putting 4 in the middle was what we needed ion the final.
I'm not particularly worried about Roerslev, though I think he may have reached the stage where is seriously challenging Henrik for a starting place. What I'm worried about is the possibility of reverting to three centre backs, a system that contributed to our poor points return early on last season.
 

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I'm not particularly worried about Roerslev, though I think he may have reached the stage where is seriously challenging Henrik for a starting place. What I'm worried about is the possibility of reverting to three centre backs, a system that contributed to our poor points return early on last season.
It also rescued our season in 18-19. I think the issue is to settle on the right formation for the players available and TF’s ability to rely on them to do the roles needed in it. 3CBs worked in 18-19 with Mepham/Jeanvier, Konsa, Barbet as it allowed us to get away without a decent CDM and push Henry and Dalsgaard up the pitch.

But not with Jeanvier, Pinnock and Janssen when the latter two were new in the team and the midfield was also not settled in the division or their roles in the team. Now it is possible that Goode, Pinnock, Janssen with Norgaard ahead could be a rock and allow for the other 6 outfield players to be much more attacking (combined with the whole team ethos of working hard defensively).

As others have said, late season we lost out through tactical rigidity to teams who set up to exploit its negatives. Dismissing 343 or other tweaks out of hand would be to double down on that and be a case of “we’ll do Plan A better”.

Late last season our only response (Stoke, Barnsley) to being behind in games where we just had to get a result was to move to a makeshift 3-0-7 throwing everyone up and playing Norgard and Dalsgaard as CBs. It didn’t work, or left us open to the counter (Barnsley, Fulham). Being able to make a gentler in game switch from 433 to 343 or even 442(!) because we have the players to do it would potentially be the difference that secures automatic promotion and stops us being “found out”.
 

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I'm not particularly worried about Roerslev, though I think he may have reached the stage where is seriously challenging Henrik for a starting place. What I'm worried about is the possibility of reverting to three centre backs, a system that contributed to our poor points return early on last season.
He hasn't played it in any pre season so I shouldn't worry too much, however it is a good option should we need to put another player in the middle.
 

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What happened at the end of the season? Specifically Stoke and Barnsley games, chuck in Fulham as well.

Have we been "figured out"? Did we crack under pressure? I don't know the answers but they both heavily influence how the new season will pan out.
I've never been overly concerned by the 'figured us out' approach, we've been playing the same way for 8 years, so everyone already knows how to play against us. Whether it's enough to stop us is another matter and many clubs struggle with it. Those who are happy to take the 'we won't be in the game, but we won't let you be in it either' approach will be more successful in stopping us, and a few 0-0's or 0-1 losses will always occur as a result. It's up to us to be good enough and inventive enough to be able to break through teams like that, which we couldn't manage for Stoke and Fulham (Barnsley just pressed us to sh*t, a very different approach). Everyone knew how to play against Leeds though, but they still got 93 points.

There are a number of teams like that this season, with Karanka and Warnock being added into the mix since we last played those teams, so we need to be able to do better against those sides. Marcondes could be key there IMO.
 

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I wonder how mobile Goode is. Is there a chance that TF might have a look at Chris Wilder’s overlapping CBs approach? Perhaps if we’re without Rico for any reason or moving to 352 to play Forss and Toney to wrestle a game back.
 

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Unbeaten and 100 points...
W27 D19 L0. Too many draws to be fun to watch. 100 points and unbeaten at home would be better entertainment.
 

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It's all been Said, but surely the biggest concern is the publicity?

If teams are smart enough, they will all do a Stoke against us, and honestly I Canos seem teams getting less than a point against us playing that way... we had no idea how to deal with that last season.

If we're smart enough, we'll put together a solid plan B.... 3-5-2 has been mentioned which would be Goode but maybe we need to implement plan B quicker next season, once we realise the other team has no intension of attacking us, I think we'd be Mads not to.

I've noticed a load of external pundits Rayating us pretty highly and predicting top 2, bit like on here actually! To be Frank, I would still be extremely happy with top 6.

At least we don't still have Jake Bidwell.

Sorry this whole post was lazy, please ignore.
 

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With BMW promotion, without 10th.
Well thats not going to happen is it - Ollie is already replaced and I dont think anyone really thinks Said will play another game.

However I have put my money where my mouth is and backed Toney to be top goalscorer so if we 'only' lose 2 players top 6 is very likely
 
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I worry about two things....

Firstly, we’ve had a huge amount of exposure in the last few months. Everyone now knows how we play, and more importantly how we can be beaten.

Secondly, and I know I’ve mentioned this elsewhere just recently, but I do worry about the quality and inexperience of our squad players. I like Fosu, and Baptiste shows a lot of potential but the likes of Zamburek and Valencia bring very little to the table. The jury is still out on Goode... Roerslev is injured - seemingly for a while and even Marcondes and Canos - while ok, aren’t the players for another promotion push - all IMHO, of course. It goes without saying that I hope to proven very wrong and will gladly eat humble pie. :)

I’d expect us to finish 8th/9th.... apologies for the pessimism.
I am struggling to find to 3, let alone 7/8 teams that have a better squad than us. I will be disappointed right now if we finished in the play-offs. Top 2 must be our aim and believe we will get it.
 

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