Expectations for Season 20/21

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Of course it’s not over yet as we still have the play offs to get through but any sane Brentford fan will know we won’t win them, but then maybe we will for once but who really believes it will happen. I will scream and shout and wish and pray but in my heart I just can’t see us ever doing it.

Our 21 match run was brilliant and I started to genuinely believe this core group of players surrounded by some mediocrity might just have found the right combination to win games and do it the easy way however part of me had lost desire watching empty stadiums and not being there to be part of it.

The inevitable collapse can be explained in many ways and there are so many reasons; bad luck, running out of steam, injuries, the bigger squads having far more quality to call upon and maybe just Brentford doing a Brentford and sh*tting the bed when the gift is handed to them in lovely wrapping paper.

I think it is a bit of all of the above however for me the stand out reason is when it comes to scoring goals we are a one trick pony. Over the years we have collected players who have zero goals per game ratio’s, our back 4 chip in with nothing, our midfield three are the same, JDS can score goals but other than that we are dry.

The wide men have been “ok” I suppose with a handful each but when teams out 2-3 players on Toney you need goals from somewhere.

I am not one of these rediculois propel who thinks we will sell all our best players and settle for mid table, I think we will well 1 or 2 and replace and go again next year but in this season autopsy you have to say BM was 10% of last season, Ghoddos could be brilliant next year but had been a passenger this year and sergi has been his usual hit and miss. I don’t want to lose any of these three but we need another two better versions on the wing so we aren’t reliant on what are pretty average players. They all contribute but when we are relying on them as the main men we are never going to score enough goals IMO.

I am much happier to fail now and not lose to Watford on the last day and go through the same old Brentford Innit posts so I feel strangely relaxed about it all. The oaky offs feel like a free punch to me becaose there are better teams with bigger squads in form going into them,

I still believe next season will be massive for us whatever happens
agree apart from the in form teams bit.

Swans - lost 4 out of 6
Barnsley - lost 2 from 3 or 4 ?
Bmuff - won last 6 hopefully wont last
Bees - 1 defeat in 11
 
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My expectation has completely lowered from promotion to that we will remain in the same league next season. This is purely based on the performance and results in the last 8/9 games. If we do go up and I am not ruling it out still then it will be a bonus now. The last two home games in terms of results was hugely disappointing. Watford and Norwich are good but not great sides but have they really been challenged and put under any pressure over the last couple of months? That is what annoys me the most as we won’t ever find out now how they would have coped.

If we are in the championship next year then it will probably take 6/7 transfer windows to build again for promotion but as long as we beat Fulham (if they as expected come down) and Rangers and fans are back into stadiums then I can live with that.
 

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Absolutely don’t want to play Bournemouth over 2 legs. Best bet is to avoid them in the semis and assuming they get through (and we do) have a ‘Punchers chance’‘ against them in a one off game.
 

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it will probably take 6/7 transfer windows to build again for promotion
I expect MB and the DoF have a much more optimistic view on this then you.

I see no reason whatsoever why we won't challenge next season, 1 or 2 will go and they will be replaced as always.
 

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Bournemouth to win the play offs, and us to underperform and lose in Semi.
Bournemouth can still pip Watford to 2nd place ! They win all three and Watford draw one and lose two.
Cue us beating Bournemouth on Saturday.
 
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I expect MB and the DoF have a much more optimistic view on this then you.

I see no reason whatsoever why we won't challenge next season, 1 or 2 will go and they will be replaced as always.
I think you are being a bit conservative if you believe only 1-2 will go. Minimum 4 will go. I also have no issue with players leaving. Then again we may well go up. Let’s see. If we are still in the same league it will be a season of consolidation despite the ambitions of MB and DoF.
 

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I think you are being a bit conservative if you believe only 1-2 will go. Minimum 4 will go. I also have no issue with players leaving. Then again we may well go up. Let’s see. If we are still in the same league it will be a season of consolidation despite the ambitions of MB and DoF.
We may see first teamers going even if we go up. We seemed to manage with losing both our strikers on promotion last time.
 

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I think Watford are the only team in the Football League not to lose back to back league games.
 

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agree apart from the in form teams bit.

Swans - lost 4 out of 6
Barnsley - lost 2 from 3 or 4 ?
Bmuff - won last 6 hopefully wont last
Bees - 1 defeat in 11
Bournemouth are now on a run of 7 consecutive league wins, scoring 21 goals in the process. Bees have won 1 in 7 scoring a total of 5 goals in the 6 games other than Preston. The two games against Preston this season are both bizarre outliers.
 

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Bournemouth are now on a run of 7 consecutive league wins, scoring 21 goals in the process. Bees have won 1 in 7 scoring a total of 5 goals in the 6 games other than Preston. The two games against Preston this season are both bizarre outliers.
yes as i said , hopefully it wont last
 

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Football is a funny old game, as we know, but let’s assume there are no real implosions and Norwich (already promoted) get the five points out of nine they need to guarantee champions status and Watford get the three out of nine to guarantee promotion. That leaves Bournemouth, Swansea and ourselves who could all theoretically finish anywhere between second and seventh, but in each case neither of those polarities seem likely and all end up in the playoffs. That leaves Barnsley and Reading fighting over the final place, with the former obviously favourites.
Bees have one game in hand over the others in the top seven and need three points out of twelve to guarantee that play off place. So let’s aim to get those three as soon as possible and then (assuming again that Watford don’t implode) go in for some judicious but proactive and meaningful squad rotation (between games and during them) for the remainder of the regular season.
I have no doubt that we are capable of beating any of the other play off teams (albeit with a marginal preference for avoiding Bournemouth if possible).
538 still have us as favourites (just) to be the third team promoted this time around and if it’s good enough for them it’s good enough for me. COYB
 

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Football is a funny old game, as we know, but let’s assume there are no real implosions and Norwich (already promoted) get the five points out of nine they need to guarantee champions status and Watford get the three out of nine to guarantee promotion. That leaves Bournemouth, Swansea and ourselves who could all theoretically finish anywhere between second and seventh, but in each case neither of those polarities seem likely and all end up in the playoffs. That leaves Barnsley and Reading fighting over the final place, with the former obviously favourites.
Bees have one game in hand over the others in the top seven and need three points out of twelve to guarantee that play off place. So let’s aim to get those three as soon as possible and then (assuming again that Watford don’t implode) go in for some judicious but proactive and meaningful squad rotation (between games and during them) for the remainder of the regular season.
I have no doubt that we are capable of beating any of the other play off teams (albeit with a marginal preference for avoiding Bournemouth if possible).
538 still have us as favourites (just) to be the third team promoted this time around and if it’s good enough for them it’s good enough for me. COYB
It’s a cliche but the thing about cliches is they’re true- just take it a game at a time. As fans at home we have no control or influence over what happens on the pitch and we have long memories of past disappointments. Bournemouth have a PL squad and are on a good run. That doesn’t mean, even with our mediocre form, we can’t win tomorrow. If we do, it is not impossible Millwall beat Watford. Everything looks very different at 5pm.
 
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So we will finish the season 3rd. All in all, despite the disappointment of not making the top 2, still an exceptional performance and to get more points than last year is a huge achievement. More so with the shortened pre-season we had and losing two players for 60 odd million.
 

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So we will finish the season 3rd. All in all, despite the disappointment of not making the top 2, still an exceptional performance and to get more points than last year is a huge achievement. More so with the shortened pre-season we had and losing two players for 60 odd million.
and we got to a cup semi final !
 

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Yep would have gone up last season with that points tally. 7 defeats all season is very impressive and will stand us in good stead in the playoffs - going in good form as well
 
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Yep would have gone up last season with that points tally. 7 defeats all season is very impressive and will stand us in good stead in the playoffs - going in good form as well
That win against Bournemouth last week was so important. Gave the team and fans a big confidence boost and has seriously put doubts into Bournemouth. I am really not fussed whom we play in the play offs.
 

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Yes- I don’t get all those folks saying TF will walk or get sacked and that MB will just be content with 3-4 years of rebuilding. We’ll buy, see players who were underwhelming this season blossom next, be fighting for top 6 again. As fans, until we finally win the play offs we’ll always be nervous about not going up in top two but that’s just us, nothing to do with the club. They’re likely more focused in getting the current group to win and avenge their personal memories of 2020 than to fixate on 2013, 2002 or 1997, the most recent of which was when most of them were barely in secondary school. I doubt they get Peter G in to do a reverse QPR pep talk and remind them that as a club we cannot win play offs and that they have a duty to maintain that ethos.
As things have worked out we've got closer to 2nd than I thought we would 6 weeks ago; to finish on 87 points would be unbelievable. Those substitutes at home to Blackburn; not reacting to Rooney's changes etc etc. Fine fine margins but this season we look a very focused set up going into these play off's. It's hard to get excited as we know about previous heartbreak but there is something about this squad; and the hurt from last August, our stronger defence and ability to nick a goal has me believing this could be our time - TF rightly won't go but there will be a bigger transition than usual in my opinion but lets hope we get through these play off's instead.
 

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As things have worked out we've got closer to 2nd than I thought we would 6 weeks ago; to finish on 87 points would be unbelievable. Those substitutes at home to Blackburn; not reacting to Rooney's changes etc etc. Fine fine margins but this season we look a very focused set up going into these play off's. It's hard to get excited as we know about previous heartbreak but there is something about this squad; and the hurt from last August, our stronger defence and ability to nick a goal has me believing this could be our time.
It’s a great achievement. Though no need to beat ourselves up if the final margin is a point as the results of the last few rounds of games may well have been different had we still been in with a chance of first or second as Norwich and Watford would have played differently in their games if not already promoted. It’s much calmer potentially finishing a point off after missing second a couple of weeks back than for that to have happened in the very last round of games. I never expect much from us in POs but think we’re going into them in the best circumstances ever.
 

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