Expectations for Season 20/21 (2 Viewers)

Mr Cynical

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What happened at the end of the season? Specifically Stoke and Barnsley games, chuck in Fulham as well.

Have we been "figured out"? Did we crack under pressure? I don't know the answers but they both heavily influence how the new season will pan out.

I expect if we overcome whatever went on we'll be challenging at the top, anyone EXPECTING automatic clearly hasn't watched the Championship much :D
I don't think we've been figured out particularly, teams have put players behind the ball at GP in particular ever since the Warburton days. There was an element of cracking under pressure but I think the main issue was just running out of steam. We started post lockdown on fire but 10 games in just under a month is a massive test of endurance and you could see we were starting to struggle by the Charlton game. I think the main issue for us was our intense pressing game and our lack of rotation. That's what will cause us issues this season again as there are a load more midweek fixtures. We need to be confident in the squad to rotate a little bit more and keep players fresher. The experience of last year will stand us in good stead if we're there or thereabouts at the crunch this season. I think with Toney and Forss up front we have some different options which is good but I do worry for us if (god forbid) Norgaard picked up an injury. We really need to look at some back up there. Otherwise I think we're in reasonably good shape (particularly if we can bring in a decent Benhrama replacement)..
 

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However I have put my money where my mouth is and backed Toney to be top goalscorer so if we 'only' lose 2 players top 6 is very likely
Half hearted effort and rather pessimistic :fishing:

I've gone for the Brentford as Champions and Toney Top Goal Scorer double at 40-1
 

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I am struggling to find to 3, let alone 7/8 teams that have a better squad than us. I will be disappointed right now if we finished in the play-offs. Top 2 must be our aim and believe we will get it.
3 teams down from the Prem all have bigger & more experienced squads than us and plenty of money to improve them prior to deadline day :shrug:
 

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For the good of everyone at the club it's best to maximise the revenue from the sales.
Yep - we know when to hold ‘em and when to fold ‘em. If they go in October I’m not bothered.
 
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Said and Ollie are as good as sold and the replacements have been identified. For the good of everyone at the club it's best these deals are completed this week.

I know TF and the club have said that's it in terms of sales but sadly we know football isn't that easy. We need to hold our nerve and keep Rico and Raya at the club but also have them on board and happy with the club's decision - bids will come in before the 16th October which is likely to offer them big moves.

If we keep those two the squad is in a good place; defensively there is no reason why we can't repeat our record from last season; Goode and a more experienced Thompson will help.

Between Forss (I think he'll finish highest goalscorer) and Toney with a fit again Canos we'll replace the BMW goals. Apart from potentially losing Rayo and Rico our biggest issue is going to be our tactics.

When we seen Scott Parker completly changing his tactics in the final to a way he'll likely never use again we know we've a problem. Tactically we've been found out; managers know how to stop us being effective and this ultimately cost us promotion.

In a league that has Warnock, Rowett, O'Neill, Harris to name just four; add that to Forest, Birmingham and Barnsley's style of football we need a plan b.

TF is a great head coach, the club is like a factory from identifying players, using the same coaching set up right through the club to eventually improving the player to play first team football and adding significant value. However as we seen at the end of last season when the big crunch games come around; the ones to get over the line we need to think tactically which includes looking at the opposition.

Leeds, Forest, Stoke, Barnsley, Fulham tactically beat us hands down in the second half of last season. Sometimes plan A works but sometimes we need to be a bit more tactically aware to get over the line. Personally without being negative opportunties like last season won't come up every year; I don't see us challenging for top 2 for the reasons mentioned above (we're no longer a surprise and for some are easy to set up against) but I do reckon we'll compete for 5th, 6th.
Need to disagree on this comment. Leeds to me and pains me to say it have been the second best team in the Championship I have seen after Wolves in the last 6 years. Despite dominating possession against us at home they really didn't create anything. Forest won with a deflection and we just weren't good enough on the night to break them down. Stoke played for a draw and scored from a Raya error. We didn't play well but had a nailed on penalty. Barnsley for me were impressive and a team that needed to win but if Watkins scores that goal (if ....) then we win and go up. Barnsley also should a week early beaten Leeds at home. Fulham changed their tactics just for us, we all wanted them to play Mitrovic from the start and yes they were the better side in the first half (should have been a man down) but I just couldn't see them scoring and they scored from a wonder/ fluke goal. Let Parker live of that performances for the next year ..... we didn't get the wins in those games but not sure I would say we were tactically beaten hands down. More we didn't impose our own game or froze.
 
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3 teams down from the Prem all have bigger & more experienced squads than us and plenty of money to improve them prior to deadline day :shrug:
Norwich even by their own admission were surprised they went up season before last but they were by far the poorest side in the Premiership last year, they are on a run of not knowing how to win games. Not sure I agree they have a better squad. Bournemouth are losing all their best players. Good win today but have a new manager and can see them top 6. Watford I agree, think they are our main challengers for top spot but have a new manager and expect they will lose a couple more players.
 

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We absolutely need to be pushing for the top spot. The squad will be the best we've ever had. Let's be positive.
 

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Can see us struggling to start with as being dissapointed on missing out on promotion also with all the transfer speculation to carry on into the season wont help either.so hope we can finish top 10
 

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Can see us struggling to start with as being dissapointed on missing out on promotion also with all the transfer speculation to carry on into the season wont help either.so hope we can finish top 10
top 10 ??? lol
 

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We absolutely need to be pushing for the top spot. The squad will be the best we've ever had. Let's be positive.
I believe we will struggle to get a better squad than last year but I hope your right but we need a few more in first.
 

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I believe we will struggle to get a better squad than last year but I hope your right but we need a few more in first.
Compare the squad now to the start of last season..

We have far more depth in the striker position and Toney may well offer us even more than Ollie did. So many of the younger players are stronger and more ready. Halil, Baptiste and Fosu are here from the start of the season. Marcondes has found his feet. Mbuemo, Norgaard and Jensen are fully established. The back four are fantastic and up to speed. The only negative is the probable loss of Said and we dont yet know he will be replaced. Unless there's a change of heart and we sell Raya.

The squad is stronger.
 

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Compare the squad now to the start of last season..

We have far more depth in the striker position and Toney may well offer us even more than Ollie did. So many of the younger players are stronger and more ready. Halil, Baptiste and Fosu are here from the start of the season. Marcondes has found his feet. Mbuemo, Norgaard and Jensen are fully established. The back four are fantastic and up to speed. The only negative is the probable loss of Said and we dont yet know he will be replaced. Unless there's a change of heart and we sell Raya.

The squad is stronger.
Agree with a lot of that but I think to say, at this stage, that Toney may well be an upgrade on Ollie is stretching optimism to the extreme.
 

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Is the squad stronger than last season if we don't include Ollie and said...with only Toney replacing them it's a def no....atm I don't think we have a strong enough squad to compete at the very top as the games are so often ....had it been a normal season ie starting early August I'd think differently
 

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Is the squad stronger than last season if we don't include Ollie and said...with only Toney replacing them it's a def no....atm I don't think we have a strong enough squad to compete at the very top as the games are so often ....had it been a normal season ie starting early August I'd think differently
See psg150’s post above. If you look at it as just Toney for Ollie/Said then no but as a whole squad, yes we are stronger than we were at the beginning of last season.
 

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Agree with a lot of that but I think to say, at this stage, that Toney may well be an upgrade on Ollie is stretching optimism to the extreme.
PSG150 was comparing the squads at the beginning of the season. None of us knew that Ollie’s transition to CF was going to work so wonderfully well. So IT is a player in the correct position already
 

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My expectation is that we will finish as Champions...


... I've had that expectation for the last few seasons, though.
 

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Agree with a lot of that but I think to say, at this stage, that Toney may well be an upgrade on Ollie is stretching optimism to the extreme.
Wait and see on that. I'm very positive about Toney. Will turn out to be an inspired signing.
 

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The Not The Top 20 boys have us as Runners up, with Norwich champions and Watford third place.
 

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I'm pretty certain that we will finish in the top half of this division. That will be the 13tjh season in a row that we have finished in the top half of the league we are competing in. Doubt if anybody else in the EFL can match that?
 

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Wait and see on that. I'm very positive about Toney. Will turn out to be an inspired signing.
Hoping you’re right and am confident he’ll be good for us but to say he will contribute more than Ollie did last year (goals and all round play) would be a huge ask for his first year
 

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We have a squad capable of quite amazing things but we also need for luck to smile on us with no injuries or dodgy ref decisions.

I predicted last season ( at the height of our poor run) that we would be safely in the playoffs but miss out on the two automatic places, and I see no reason why that cannot be replicated.

Unfortunately I feel that both Watford and Norwich have the players to mount a very decent campaign this season although accepting that the former will probably be on their 4th manager by season end!!
 

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10th would be an achievement
We managed 9th the season after Warburton went, we sold Gray, Tarkowski, Dallas, Diagouraga, appointed Marinus, had Judge and Bjelland get injured. 10th would be an incredibly poor season for us on the basis of the quality and cost of the squad we have without SB and OW compared to our previous seasons in the division. It would involve us going on a losing run like when Smith left and Rob Rowan died.
 

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I think it’s all about the management and coaching. Looks pretty good. I hope they learned from last years failures. So much power without results at the beginning of last season. Brum will be an education.
 

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i think 10th is possible with margin for error infinite and top.6 within reach.
Anything can happen and with an infinite margin of error we could finish 24th or indeed be expelled from the league entirely.
 

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You got it in one
It’s nice these days starting the season without high expectations. No disappointment and much happiness likely. Not like in the old days when often the team would manage to undershoot even quite modest ones!
 

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It’s nice these days starting the season without high expectations. No disappointment and much happiness likely. Not like in the old days when often the team would manage to undershoot even quite modest ones!
Despite some of the pessimism here, I suspect that both the club management and the majority of fans are both aiming and expecting to finish top 2. We should but blips and patches of poor form will lead to meltdown in certain parts of our fanbase.
 

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We have a squad capable of quite amazing things but we also need for luck to smile on us with no injuries or dodgy ref decisions.

I predicted last season ( at the height of our poor run) that we would be safely in the playoffs but miss out on the two automatic places, and I see no reason why that cannot be replicated.

Unfortunately I feel that both Watford and Norwich have the players to mount a very decent campaign this season although accepting that the former will probably be on their 4th manager by season end!!
I do agree. I'm hoping we have just enough to finish above Norwich. Unfortunately, Watford will probably win it. Bees 2nd. Norwich 3rd. Stoke 4th (playoff winners). Cardiff 5th and Bournemouth 6th.

Relegation: Wycombe, Luton and QPR.
 

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I do agree. I'm hoping we have just enough to finish above Norwich. Unfortunately, Watford will probably win it. Bees 2nd. Norwich 3rd. Stoke 4th (playoff winners). Cardiff 5th and Bournemouth 6th.

Relegation: Wycombe, Luton and QPR.
I think Wycombe will stay up moderately comfortably through sheer determination as Burton did. Their problem will be next season.
 

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Sorry but not looking at the top 6 this season.
 

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10th would be an achievement
You live a completely different world to me, no offence but we are on completely different stratospheres.

10th would be one of our worst seasons since we came up, having finished two points off the auto's and having replaced out CF with our record signing we are aiming for the top 2.

Top 10 would not be a disaster but it would be a major disappointment to the club and all the fans.
 

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I really hope so, but concerned we have another slow start.
The likely starting 11 against Brum will only include one new player, that being Ivan Toney. The rest all have at least 1 year of Championship experience under their belts.

No reason at all why we will start slow.
 

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The likely starting 11 against Brum will only include one new player, that being Ivan Toney. The rest all have at least 1 year of Championship experience under their belts.

No reason at all why we will start slow.
I hope so mate, it needs to be our time.
 

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I think beautiful as though the new stadium is, our results at home might cost us making the play-offs. I hope I am wrong. I don't what history suggests but my gut feeling tells me that sides that move into a new stadium tend to struggle for a few years and we were pretty strong at Griffin Park. Think we finish 10th and reach the Quarter Finals of the one of cup competitions.
 

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I think beautiful as though the new stadium is, our results at home might cost us making the play-offs. I hope I am wrong. I don't what history suggests but my gut feeling tells me that sides that move into a new stadium tend to struggle for a few years and we were pretty strong at Griffin Park. Think we finish 10th and reach the Quarter Finals of the one of cup competitions.
I think you may have a point, although this season is so different to all the other times teams have moved stadium because there’s no fans.

Whilst our home form may dip slightly I’m confident we’ll pick up more points away from home (As We did in the post lockdown run in) due to Covid restrictions on fans which will balance it out.
 

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