Expectations for Season 20/21

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We've got more than enough in this squad to do much better than that. December is a real killer of a month though with some big games and a lot of them so would certainly be good to get Norgaard back by then. Should have Roerslev back then too... I think not making play offs would be regarded as a big disappointment by the club..
There are no exceptional teams this season. Watford look hard to beat but there’s no reason at all why we shouldn’t be around the top 2
 

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I think it's become clear that this season is going to be totally batsh*t in all divisions with players more tired, more prone to injury and with home advantage all but obliterated. There will be more and more freak results (hopefully Preston was one) and it's going to be hard to predict.
 

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Its too tough to call. Our squad is finding its feet and we are losing a few to injury each week.

If we can get in that top 6 i will be over the moon.
 

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This is all going to be about how good our team is when the full squad are used and whether we can still win/draw enough games without our best players.

As we've already seen, players will get injured and those that don't will get tired. We were lucky with injuries last year, with our best players injury free. It's a great opportunity for top 2, but really a bit of a lottery this season. What I would say is we didn't sign Toney (and he didn't come here) just to be also rans.
 

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Its too tough to call. Our squad is finding its feet and we are losing a few to injury each week.

If we can get in that top 6 i will be over the moon.
I don't think you are too wide of the mark to be honest. The merry-go-round of games and no crowds will produce so many odd results this year and despite the shrewd addition of Toney losing the calibre of Said and Ollie will impact us. Injuries are not being kind to us at the moment. I think the long term of the squad is extremely good but I think this may be a season of flirting with the play-off's rather than a top two finish.
 

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I don't think you are too wide of the mark to be honest. The merry-go-round of games and no crowds will produce so many odd results this year and despite the shrewd addition of Toney losing the calibre of Said and Ollie will impact us. Injuries are not being kind to us at the moment. I think the long term of the squad is extremely good but I think this may be a season of flirting with the play-off's rather than a top two finish.
Flirting with the play offs is what we did 2015-2019. Top half and not mathematically out of sight of top 6 until 3-4 games off the end of the season in all but one in which we did just enough while teams above us imploded. I think we’re better than we were those 5 seasons even if not as strong as we finished last season. Finishing below 6th would be a massive disappointment and you’d have to be almost horizontally relaxed to think otherwise.
 

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Flirting with the play offs is what we did 2015-2019. Top half and not mathematically out of sight of top 6 until 3-4 games off the end of the season in all but one in which we did just enough while teams above us imploded. I think we’re better than we were those 5 seasons even if not as strong as we finished last season. Finishing below 6th would be a massive disappointment and you’d have to be almost horizontally relaxed to think otherwise.
No I don't believe I'm horizontally relaxed at all AB that's my opinion for what it's worth. We've lost 60 million pound worth of talent, recovering from the bitter psychological impact of missing out on promotion last season and having to bed in new players on top of the surreal nature of Covid football in an empty stadium. Add Norgaard's injury etc and it'll be a difficult October and November.

Yes I 'aspire' to a Top Six but it's going to be a funny old season.
 

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Didn’t realise how badly Wycombe are doing 6 games 6 defeats and just one goal! And against us I thought they looked ok
 

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Infogol currently have us finishing second based on xG...

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Worth just reminding ourselves that despite a fairly indifferent & inconsistent start and a leaking defence, we are just 4 points off 2nd spot. And the clubs above us haven't exactly set the world alight yet. Get that defence back to where it was last season and we should certainly be up there if the squad players step up to the plate.
 

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That's the annoying thing. ''Tis league is weaker than last year. Even Reading haven't played anyone decent yet. We've got to get it going soon though!
 

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3 points out of 6 at Sheff W and Stoke is what was expected at best. Having won the first game it feels worse but its ok
We could have not lost but drawn both and got 2 points. As it is we have 3 and the same goal difference.
 

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We got just one point last season from the 4 away games we have played so far.
 

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We could have not lost but drawn both and got 2 points. As it is we have 3 and the same goal difference.
Exactly, I think if you'd offered 3 points from those 2 games most people would have been happy. 4 even more so..
 

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Worth just reminding ourselves that despite a fairly indifferent & inconsistent start and a leaking defence, we are just 4 points off 2nd spot. And the clubs above us haven't exactly set the world alight yet. Get that defence back to where it was last season and we should certainly be up there if the squad players step up to the plate.
And Reading won't keep it up.
 
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I’m still confident despite the last two results we will be challenging the top 2.
This league really hasn’t settled down yet. I don’t expect it will until middle of December and how teams cope with rotation etc. Even Stoke made 4 changes to their side tonight from Saturday and their fans weren’t happy. These international breaks haven’t helped. I for one would have scrapped the internationals for a year.
I actually thought we played reasonably well tonight just the substitutions baffled me. If we can get the team selection and subs right we will get the results in due course, especially as we have a red hot striker.
Also we have the funds to strengthen in January whilst most other clubs may not and also Norgaard back. Let’s see how the next few games pan out but still confident.
 

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The over expectations from some beggars belief really. We will be top 6 and hopefully pushing for top 2 come end of season.

Have to remind yourself that this league is full of "big clubs" who I'm sure their fans rightly believe each season expect top 6. Just look at Forest fans or Leeds before they went up.

The way some of our fans speak so negatively about the team and club is shocking. God forbid we don't go up in next say 5 years. They'll a be giving themselves heart attacks through stress.
 

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And Reading won't keep it up.
They might if they replicate the season they lost the play off final to Huddersfield despite xG putting them well in the bottom half. But that would be remarkable. At the moment they seem to be putting away some very unlikely chances. Maybe they’ve got a bunch of exceptional players who need only the barest sniff to score. Or maybe they’re just lucky.
 

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Wycombe have been pretty hard done by so far with some poor decisions from refs, but 1 point from 8 games isn't going to convince anyone they'll stay up even if they do adapt to the level a bit. Their first two goals were also down to really bad play at the back, haven't seen yesterdays goal yet.

Playoffs or more are still easily there for us, we just need to find that solidity and consistency. We will have to rotate a fair amount though, and I would rather a proactive approach to that, rather than waiting until the injuries pile up. I think it's going to be an inconsistent season for most teams though, and something we shouldn't judge too harshly.
 
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Keep hanging in there until December or even the New Year when we can get players in or back and then see where we can go.
 

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I know it's been said before, but this league really is there for the taking. No-one (bar Reading) has put any sort of run together yet and even they blew out against Coventry on Friday. Only a week or two ago, some posters were worried Bristol C were getting out of reach and we are now above them, despite being inconsistent ourselves.

It is such an inconsistent division. Today, Millwall get spanked at home by average Udders, Bournemouth can't beat lowly Derby at home and Watford lose to Barnsley. Add to that Preston, who smashed us, lose to Birmingham at home. If we can just avoid any more serious injuries and put a decent run together, we really should be top 2.
 
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I know it's been said before, but this league really is there for the taking. No-one (bar Reading) has put any sort of run together yet and even they blew out against Coventry on Friday. Only a week or two ago, some posters were worried Bristol C were getting out of reach and we are now above them, despite being inconsistent ourselves.

It is such an inconsistent division. Today, Millwall get spanked at home by average Udders, Bournemouth can't beat lowly Derby at home and Watford lose to Barnsley. Add to that Preston, who smashed us, lose to Birmingham at home. If we can just avoid any more serious injuries and put a decent run together, we really should be top 2.
Agree with all of this and nothing I have seen from the first 9 games has changed my mind from my original post that we will be champions. At times this season we have lost or not picked up the points expected by our own failings rather than the opposition.
 

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I know it's been said before, but this league really is there for the taking. No-one (bar Reading) has put any sort of run together yet and even they blew out against Coventry on Friday. Only a week or two ago, some posters were worried Bristol C were getting out of reach and we are now above them, despite being inconsistent ourselves.

It is such an inconsistent division. Today, Millwall get spanked at home by average Udders, Bournemouth can't beat lowly Derby at home and Watford lose to Barnsley. Add to that Preston, who smashed us, lose to Birmingham at home. If we can just avoid any more serious injuries and put a decent run together, we really should be top 2.
I think the Championship is always inconsistent. There are few clubs who are so poor they’ll be the whipping boys and few so good they walk it. Everyone else will have some quality and the ability on their day to beat anyone. It balances over the season- I’d not be surprised to see Forest and Derby finishing top half and Reading bottom half.
It would be interesting to see how we coped with hitting the top and holding off challengers as we’ve not had to do that in this division but sitting just off and reeling the leader in is something we did well last season and starting it now 9 games in rather than with 9 games left is encouraging.
I think it’ll be between us and Norwich but both Watford and Bournemouth have the ability to grind out results. Nobody else particularly worries me if we just keep on doing our thing.
 

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After yesterday’s performance, it’s hard to imagine we won’t make top 6. A few more performances like that over the next month or so and I’ll be confident of automatic promotion.
 

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I am getting a bit tired of reading that the league is so much weaker this season, read the same last and in fact all but our first season in the Championship, logically it must now be really dire!!!

I hope we again finish in the top 6 positions but, unlike some, I don’t expect it as a given right. The expectation that we will blow teams away is ludicrous, as is the suggestion that when we do win the opposition were poor. This season is all about managing squad depths, those that manage it best will ultimately get to the top however injuries will play havoc with the best of plans, as we have seen.

As far as we are concerned we have a squad of players that flew out of lockdown and took us from playoff hopefuls to very nearly promoted, we tried again in the playoffs but ultimately just ran out of gas. Whilst the players are no doubt physically fit I would suggest the mental fatigue is very real and might explain why some have yet to get up to speed.

For some posters the decision that some of the players are not good enough has already been made, however some have a remarkably poor record is assessing player ability as evidenced by previous discussions regarding the abilities of various centre forwards!!

The coaches see the players in a daily basis and the medical team assess them both prior and during games, as such they probably have a far better idea of players ability and contribution than those watching from afar.

This is a squad game and we need to support every member of that squad, particularly if they are having a bad run of form. Together we can achieve great things but the negativity seen on here regarding players will not have gone unnoticed and will not have improved confidence.

We have a team capable of promotion but along the way need some luck with injuries etc, I am confident that over the next few months as the crazy schedule dies down our results will improve it just needs patience, plus an avoidance of Twitter etc!!
 

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I am getting a bit tired of reading that the league is so much weaker this season, read the same last and in fact all but our first season in the Championship, logically it must now be really dire!!!

I hope we again finish in the top 6 positions but, unlike some, I don’t expect it as a given right. The expectation that we will blow teams away is ludicrous, as is the suggestion that when we do win the opposition were poor. This season is all about managing squad depths, those that manage it best will ultimately get to the top however injuries will play havoc with the best of plans, as we have seen.

As far as we are concerned we have a squad of players that flew out of lockdown and took us from playoff hopefuls to very nearly promoted, we tried again in the playoffs but ultimately just ran out of gas. Whilst the players are no doubt physically fit I would suggest the mental fatigue is very real and might explain why some have yet to get up to speed.

For some posters the decision that some of the players are not good enough has already been made, however some have a remarkably poor record is assessing player ability as evidenced by previous discussions regarding the abilities of various centre forwards!!

The coaches see the players in a daily basis and the medical team assess them both prior and during games, as such they probably have a far better idea of players ability and contribution than those watching from afar.

This is a squad game and we need to support every member of that squad, particularly if they are having a bad run of form. Together we can achieve great things but the negativity seen on here regarding players will not have gone unnoticed and will not have improved confidence.

We have a team capable of promotion but along the way need some luck with injuries etc, I am confident that over the next few months as the crazy schedule dies down our results will improve it just needs patience, plus an avoidance of Twitter etc!!
There will be a load of teams which are currently doing well whose squads will have fallen apart by February and we’ll find ourselves with a fully fit and match hardened full squad. We don’t need to be top now and are well placed to keep ticking over, in or around the top 6 and with more to give. Reading have just lost twice in a row and will be 12th at Christmas and we’re only 4 points off 2nd.
 

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I am getting a bit tired of reading that the league is so much weaker this season, read the same last and in fact all but our first season in the Championship, logically it must now be really dire!!!

I hope we again finish in the top 6 positions but, unlike some, I don’t expect it as a given right. The expectation that we will blow teams away is ludicrous, as is the suggestion that when we do win the opposition were poor. This season is all about managing squad depths, those that manage it best will ultimately get to the top however injuries will play havoc with the best of plans, as we have seen.

As far as we are concerned we have a squad of players that flew out of lockdown and took us from playoff hopefuls to very nearly promoted, we tried again in the playoffs but ultimately just ran out of gas. Whilst the players are no doubt physically fit I would suggest the mental fatigue is very real and might explain why some have yet to get up to speed.

For some posters the decision that some of the players are not good enough has already been made, however some have a remarkably poor record is assessing player ability as evidenced by previous discussions regarding the abilities of various centre forwards!!

The coaches see the players in a daily basis and the medical team assess them both prior and during games, as such they probably have a far better idea of players ability and contribution than those watching from afar.

This is a squad game and we need to support every member of that squad, particularly if they are having a bad run of form. Together we can achieve great things but the negativity seen on here regarding players will not have gone unnoticed and will not have improved confidence.

We have a team capable of promotion but along the way need some luck with injuries etc, I am confident that over the next few months as the crazy schedule dies down our results will improve it just needs patience, plus an avoidance of Twitter etc!!
You are sometimes too sensible to be on this board :)
 

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we are 9 up on last year for Hud at home and Shef Wed & Luton away.
1 up on wall away
1 down on Brum away
3 down on preston home
2 down on swansea home
2 down on Fulham/Norwich home
net 2 points ahead of last season.
 

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Steadily falling. I am currently watching Wales scrape past Georgia in the rugby, playing some God-awful stuff. It's remarkable how the two teams I follow closely in football and rugby are mirroring each other in the past few months.
 

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A slight improvement in our current form would just about get us into the top six. I am not enjoying this season, who could?, but at worst it will enable the DoFs to assess the squad thoroughly and we might not suffer the loss of vital players like we just have.
 

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On the basis of what we have seen so far IMO we are loooking around 10th.l think we will struggle to get anything at Barnsley and maybe a draw at Rotherham.Maybe Norgaard will put us on track.
 

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One expectation I did have is that we would be able to name a full bench

In a season with a more hectic schedule, where we have more international players being called up, we have a smaller first team squad

injuries to Shandon and Christian haven’t helped but by my reckoning we are two players down since the run in

(Janelt Toney Ghoddos replace in numbers Kamo Said Watkins but we also played Halil, Zam, Joel). Forss is one extra body although we did technically have Karelis at club

I don’t understand it and I wonder if our DOFs now regret the loans of Halil and Zam who are not exactly racking up appearances elsewhere
 

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.........i expect this season to come and go....and it will.....next season will be so much better in so many ways....please hurry up 21/22 season.
 

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One expectation I did have is that we would be able to name a full bench

In a season with a more hectic schedule, where we have more international players being called up, we have a smaller first team squad

injuries to Shandon and Christian haven’t helped but by my reckoning we are two players down since the run in

(Janelt Toney Ghoddos replace in numbers Kamo Said Watkins but we also played Halil, Zam, Joel). Forss is one extra body although we did technically have Karelis at club

I don’t understand it and I wonder if our DOFs now regret the loans of Halil and Zam who are not exactly racking up appearances elsewhere
Would have been handy to have them around. We did know how busy the fixture schedule would be.
 

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I wonder if the club has made a strategic call about personnel and the cost base. I would not be surprised if the decision was made that emerging from Coronavirus in a robust financial state was the priority this season. The amount of salaries that we have loaned out and the decision to stick with the playing squad mainly intact looks like a corporate steer rather than a football decision. No doubt TF would have wanted to the use the Said money to buy a finished product but I would guess John Varneys overall economic forecasts would carry more weight with MB. Some of TFs reaction might be read as a frustrated ‘ I know some players are not really consistent first team quality but I was not allowed to strengthen’
 

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