Ezri Konsa - Signed for Aston Villa

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Because Brentford can't stop him moving to Villa for £12m even if Barcelona bid £100m if he wants to go to Villa.
.......can you imagine any agent recommending to their client to go to Villa - for instance- for £12 million when there's probably as much as that again in value to that agent in his client being sold to Barcelona - or any club for that matter - for £100million?.........
 

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.....you go to an auction, bid more than anyone else, and the 'lot' is yours - don't see what's difficult to understand about that, but some people can't be taught, I guess......
But that’s the point, it’s not an auction. We are contractually bound to accept the release clause amount of £12million as long as the player agrees terms.
So if I’m say Southampton and really want Konsa what I need to do is bid £12million but not a penny more and offer Konsa more in wages than Villa are offering to try to get him to change his mind. Offering £13 or £14million to Brentford changes nothing as it is up to the player once the £12million amount has been offered.
 
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No club is going to pay more than the release clause. 20 clubs could want him, but Brentford will only get 12 million. The club that gets him will be the one that gives him the best deal.
 

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it all depends on the wording in the contract. If it's a straight up automatic release clause then the club has to allow the player to talk to any club that matches it. However there is also such a thing as a "good faith clause" which requires the club to negotiate with any club that matches the figure (so can get higher fee or add ons etc) but it has to be done in good faith. So if Villa bid 12m the club can turn around and say they 400m for an extreme example.

It's like the Luis Suarez thing a few years back when Arsenal made a bid of 40m + £1 thinking that would trigger the release clause but it turned out to be a good faith clause.

Obviously no idea what clauses are in Konsa's deal but it could easily be a good faith deal which was why the Sky Sports guy said we had provisions should it be met. I would imagine most journalists would just use the phrase "release clause" as a all under 1 umbrella phrase without knowing the ins and outs of each deal.

This could turn out to be rubbish in the end if it's straight release clause but thought I'd try and clear up a little confusion.
 

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A release clause will be in the 'purchase' contract (i.e. the player signing for us); any clauses regarding additional onward payments will be in the sale contract (i.e. our agreement with the buying club). I can't see how there can be any connection between the two.
 

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Sun reports he’s in Birmingham having a medical. Not sure if there’s any truth in that or just speculation. However a win, win for the club. A nice clear profit for the club and another very clear message to young aspiring players that Brentford is the club to come to.
 

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This is a good deal for us.

I think Ezri has the potential to improve, but he certainly was on a learning curve with us.
He was steady but I never felt he was the finished article. A Bees player for a season, but not one that we all fell in love with, or to be honest do very much memorable football. However, I wish him all the best.

Lots of sideways balls across the back-line when going out from defence,as mentioned above.
Plus not the best defender from free-kicks and corners, and was caught out facing the wrong way a few times which led to letting in goals.
A couple of o.g.’s as well?

Good luck to him, it’s a win/win for us with cash, and more cash short-term for him.
Just wonder whether he’ll be one of the ones who leaves GP, and doesn’t quite make it in new surroundings.

If he’s worth £12 million, then Neal and Said must be each worth double that!!!
Spot in. Real potential but not finished article. Always had the feeling we were a properly stepping stone for him, which is fine but means no one is having a meltdown about this.
 

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Charlton fans when we signed konsa were alot like leeds are with Jansson. Plenty of #****ingbrentford, writing konsa off saying he couldnt even hold down a place in league one and they have better players available. Pleased for him if the movee is true, was still prone to mistakes and lapses of concentration sometimes though, if we really are going foe the big push this year though we cant afford those. I have no doubt by the end of his career though he will be an established premier league center back and possible international.
 

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I have a theory about our centre backs. Over the past few seasons, despite our attacking strengths and slightly shaky defence our centre backs have actually been the most successful players we have sold; Mepham, Mawson, Tarkowski, O’Connell, Egan..... does this suggest that we are really good at identifying real talent but haven’t (hopefully until now) had the best defensive coaches to bring out their best? When they go their careers go to the next level. Would a top defensive coach actually be our best signing?
 

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To be honest I don’t think his performances last year justified the hype.
But as usual it seems that I’m the only one.
I was a bit indifferent to him, and I don’t think we will miss him at all.
Jansson, Pinnock and Jeanvier all carry a greater goal threat, and I think will make a very hard to beat back three.
 

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.......can you imagine any agent recommending to their client to go to Villa - for instance- for £12 million when there's probably as much as that again in value to that agent in his client being sold to Barcelona - or any club for that matter - for £100million?.........
But it's irrelevant if the player wants to go to Villa. If however Barcelona do a deal on the side and give the player and his agent £88 million it's a different matter, but Brentford still only get £12million.
 

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To be honest I don’t think his performances last year justified the hype.
But as usual it seems that I’m the only one.
I was a bit indifferent to him, and I don’t think we will miss him at all.
Jansson, Pinnock and Jeanvier all carry a greater goal threat, and I think will make a very hard to beat back three.
I don't think you are the only one. Great potential etc but if we are going to lose one for £12M, then for me it's Konsa. I wish him well and trust we have a significant sell on clause.
 

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To be honest I don’t think his performances last year justified the hype.
But as usual it seems that I’m the only one.
I was a bit indifferent to him, and I don’t think we will miss him at all.
Jansson, Pinnock and Jeanvier all carry a greater goal threat, and I think will make a very hard to beat back three.
I think you underestimate how young and inexperienced he was when he came to us.

And sure, he definitely had a wobble towards the end of the season, but I always say, no matter how talented and committed a player is, consistency is usually the last thing he adds to his armoury.

I think Ezri can go to the very top.
 

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A release clause will be in the 'purchase' contract (i.e. the player signing for us); any clauses regarding additional onward payments will be in the sale contract (i.e. our agreement with the buying club). I can't see how there can be any connection between the two.
Why not? A clause is a clause - it can be attached to anything. The contract can state what it likes - "in order to buy him the free is £Xm with a 25% sell on"
 

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Why not? A clause is a clause - it can be attached to anything. The contract can state what it likes - "in order to buy him the free is £Xm with a 25% sell on"
All this contract talk is doing my head in. I don't really get such things. :scratch::confused:

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Why not? A clause is a clause - it can be attached to anything. The contract can state what it likes - "in order to buy him the free is £Xm with a 25% sell on"
Blimey! You could put the clause into the player's contract but there's no point because it can't be enforced in another contract. The contract is between the Club and the player, not any club that might turn up later and negotiate sale contract between the two clubs. The "release clause" gives any club that meets it the right to speak directly to the player, who knows that the fee is pre-agreed, that's all.
 

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I do like Konsa and think he is potentially top drawer so am a little disappointed to not see him in the stripes again, but you cannot argue with the best part of £10m profit after 12 months, especially as he was part of a somewhat leaky defence!
 

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Blimey! You could put the clause into the player's contract but there's no point because it can't be enforced in another contract. The contract is between the Club and the player, not any club that might turn up later and negotiate sale contract between the two clubs. The "release clause" gives any club that meets it the right to speak directly to the player, who knows that the fee is pre-agreed, that's all.
That's simply not true. There can be any kind of clause attached - such as payment schedule. West Ham recently matched Maxi Lopes' minimum fee release clause but then pissed about by offering a different payment schedule set out in his contract, and therefore the offer was able to be rejected.

A release clause can contain any number of stipulations in addition to the fee price. It is a set of criteria matched that gets accepted - whether that is fee, payment schedule, additional fees, etc. The buying club has to honour any clauses attached.

I'm not saying that's the case in Konsa's case, but it could very well be as it's already been reported by a journalist with a decent track record.
 

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That's simply not true. There can be any kind of clause attached - such as payment schedule. West Ham recently matched Maxi Lopes' minimum fee release clause but then pissed about by offering a different payment schedule set out in his contract, and therefore the offer was able to be rejected.

A release clause can contain any number of stipulations in addition to the fee price. It is a set of criteria matched that gets accepted - whether that is fee, payment schedule, additional fees, etc. The buying club has to honour any clauses attached.

I'm not saying that's the case in Konsa's case, but it could very well be as it's already been reported by a journalist with a decent track record.
As you say, we just don't know but I can't see how anything in a contract between a club and player is enforceable in an entirely different contract between two clubs. It can only be "best endeavours" and "in good faith".
 

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I know some people will say he might go on to be amazing (and therefore worth even more than £12m), and he does have the potential to, but a good sell-on clause would nicely mitigate this to an extent.
We get a big chunk of money now, and the chances are, if he shines in the Prem and therefore proven there, he'll go for a lot more money than he would shining in the Championship and being sold upwards, so a sell-on clause for a player going for big money from a PL club to another (or abroad) would likely be a significant sum.
And if he doesn't kick on.....well we've had a blinder anyway and funded a quality squad right now.
I know it’s been rare but 100% agree, Konsa had a very good first season and will no doubt continue to improve but I’ll take £12M and players I reckon are a better fit for us at the back this season. We’ll see, I may be betraying a confidence but I don’t think Ezri will be a huge miss
 

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I know it’s been rare but 100% agree, Konsa had a very good first season and will no doubt continue to improve but I’ll take £12M and players I reckon are a better fit for us at the back this season. We’ll see, I may be betraying a confidence but I don’t think Ezri will be a huge miss
Totally in agreement. Ezri is still developing and work in progress compared to Pontus and Pinnock. I reckon Ezri will develop into a top CB over the next few years and one day move on for big bucks, but right now the extra physicality that the new boys bring, along with Norgaard in front will definitely make us harder to beat. Last year we started with rookies in Mepham and Konsa, and it showed. This year we have more seasoned pros and I can't wait to get started.
 

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From what I have seen of Racic I think he would do a decent job, poss better than Mads.
 

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I know it’s been rare but 100% agree, Konsa had a very good first season and will no doubt continue to improve but I’ll take £12M and players I reckon are a better fit for us at the back this season. We’ll see, I may be betraying a confidence but I don’t think Ezri will be a huge miss
Mate, I'm with you and IDBLI. Peace and harmony breaks on the GPG. One question, why would Villa go for Konsa over Jansson? Doesn't make sense to me :confused:
 

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Because if they've got a release clause you can talk to them if you bid that amount. There's no value in you bidding a single penny more.
(unless there's some other unusual clause in there)
The release clause sets a floor but after that it comes down to a normal negotiation if there's more than one suitor. If the player's agent is on a percentage of the fee they at least will have an interest in selling the higher bidder to their client.
 

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He's 3 times better than PJ obviously. Got to hand it to the recruitment team they've done it again
 

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That "itk" wolves chap who made his video claiming konsa was already through the door is going to look like a right tit if he ends up signing for one of their biggest rivals. All credibility gone, brilliant
 

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I know it’s been rare but 100% agree, Konsa had a very good first season and will no doubt continue to improve but I’ll take £12M and players I reckon are a better fit for us at the back this season. We’ll see, I may be betraying a confidence but I don’t think Ezri will be a huge miss
Don't worry. Despite your trying to insult or wind me up at every opportunity - I still remember we actually agree on a lot (in fact I can't remember many things we disagree on bar Sawyers overall merit rather than just passing/skill). ;)
I've previously said I think Konsa has plenty of potential, and could go all the way, but it is still just potential, and wasn't brilliant defensively in our own box imo (yet).
So, whilst he's still young, and may well develop and turn into a megabucks defender, like you (and the others on this thread), I think the new back line may be significantly stronger in the most important way (outright defensively), and may also be just as good at the nice things (like bringing the ball out, playing passes, or scoring). Jansson reliably chips in with a few goals each year for example and definitely is a much stronger leader than we've had for ages.
 
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The release clause sets a floor but after that it comes down to a normal negotiation if there's more than one suitor. If the player's agent is on a percentage of the fee they at least will have an interest in selling the higher bidder to their client.
Not sure what you mean by a floor. The release clause essentially sets a ceiling for the transfer fee (because there's no value in paying more).
Negotiations with the player (and agent) and bidding club for their personal terms following that clause being met are a different matter and then it becomes competitive.
 

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Totally in agreement. Ezri is still developing and work in progress compared to Pontus and Pinnock. I reckon Ezri will develop into a top CB over the next few years and one day move on for big bucks, but right now the extra physicality that the new boys bring, along with Norgaard in front will definitely make us harder to beat. Last year we started with rookies in Mepham and Konsa, and it showed. This year we have more seasoned pros and I can't wait to get started.
And I agree with you. At the moment, apart from injury, Rico is a better back, even as a wing back and he was when he was nineteen. I just don’t get how these guys do it. Then again, still got to win some games yet.
 

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Not sure what you mean by a floor. The release clause essentially sets a ceiling for the transfer fee (because there's no value in paying more).
Negotiations with the player (and agent) and bidding club for their personal terms following that clause being met are a different matter and then it becomes competitive.
It's a floor because nobody can get the player for less. Many clubs might focus just on the personal terms to get the player having met the release clause level but that might not be enough on its own.
 

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Very similar player and can definitely step up I think..
I think I’ve noticed you’ve suggested this a few times re Racic MrC and, on the little I have seen him, agree 100%. He has that something about him that seems to set him apart. Same goes for Oksamen ( not at CB obviously). Not the finished articlle, either of them, but the signs are there.

Having thee guys waiting in the wings seems to make the sort of money we’re getting for our young players even sweeter somehow - there’s more of the likes of Konsa & Mepham coming through, they aren’t once in a generation.players
 

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I think I’ve noticed you’ve suggested this a few times re Racic MrC and, on the little I have seen him, agree 100%. He has that something about him that seems to set him apart. Same goes for Oksamen ( not at CB obviously). Not the finished articlle, either of them, but the signs are there.

Having thee guys waiting in the wings seems to make the sort of money we’re getting for our young players even sweeter somehow - there’s more of the likes of Konsa & Mepham coming through, they aren’t once in a generation.players
He just seems very comfortable on the ball, plays with his head up and seems to be in the right place at the right time in general which is a very good start! Seen him a few times and always been impressed. I think if he hadn't picked up an injury he'd have been in ahead of Mads..
 

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It's a floor because nobody can get the player for less. Many clubs might focus just on the personal terms to get the player having met the release clause level but that might not be enough on its own.
Well I'd argue they can, as the club can accept less if they want, but this is going way off at a tangent now so let's just be happy with a cart load of wonga for a decent defender with lots of potential :)
(if it happens)
 

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I'll miss him, I think he'll keep improving and I just plain enjoyed watching him play, but due to the release clause, if £12M is the absolute maximum that Brentford will ever get for him then now is definitely the best time to sell.
 
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I think he is a class player and £12m will end up being a steal for Villa in the long run. He will be better that Tarkowski. But we can’t complain about a £10m profit after just one season with us (and he didn’t have to go on strike).

Personally I would prefer Konsa over PJ (as would Dean Smith it seems), not that it’s a case of one or the other of course, just hypothetically speaking.
 

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Awkward when turning with the ball at his feet, part of a very dodgy defence that needed changing and imo needs to grow a few inches. 9 mill profit is actually stunning. He might kick on but we’re not selling the Crown Jewels here.
 
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