FAQ: How Much Money has Matthew Benham Put into the Club So Far?

PhilE

Definitely European Then :)
Joined
24 Mar 2014
Messages
3,698
Reaction score
39
Location
Camberley
Fascinating read that demonstrates just how much we have achieved and how much we owe to MB.

Huddersfield achieved promotion whilst being fiscally responsible and that’s the model we have to follow.
Although their revenue is similar and wages a little higher Huddersfield did not make anywhere near as much on player sales - As a result they made a loss of 20m (19m EPITDA) against out 1m (9m EPITDA).

Wages: Huddersfield 22m (against our 18m)
Commercial Revenue: 4m (2m)
Matchday Revenue: 4m (4m)
TV Revenue: 8m (7m)
Player Sales: 1m (13m)
 

Full Metal Jacket

Active member
Joined
11 Sep 2013
Messages
3,414
Reaction score
0
Although their revenue is similar and wages a little higher Huddersfield did not make anywhere near as much on player sales - As a result they made a loss of 20m (19m EPITDA) against out 1m (9m EPITDA).

Wages: Huddersfield 22m (against our 18m)
Commercial Revenue: 4m (2m)
Matchday Revenue: 4m (4m)
TV Revenue: 8m (7m)
Player Sales: 1m (13m)
So, a loss of £20m on revenues of £16m. And that's "fiscally responsible"! I think they gambled and were fortunate that it paid off. Things would surely have turned very sour for them if they hadn't got promoted.
 

jbee

Active member
Joined
22 Oct 2003
Messages
3,542
Reaction score
236
Location
Ealing
So, a loss of £20m on revenues of £16m. And that's "fiscally responsible"! I think they gambled and were fortunate that it paid off. Things would surely have turned very sour for them if they hadn't got promoted.
That's a little misleading as their wages were inflated by hefty promotion bonuses. What's also interesting about them is that they actually increased their matchday revenue by slashing prices, getting a huge boost in attendances. Of course this might not work if you're not challenging at the top but it's something to think about when Lionel Road comes round.
 
Last edited:

Doovster

Well-known member
Joined
2 Oct 2007
Messages
10,084
Reaction score
247
Location
Flackwell Heath, The Shire
So Benham only put in £1M last financial year? Tight fisted sod. And don't tell me about the additional Lionel Road investment cos my mate told me he's gonna make a fortune when all the flats are sold!!! :fishing:
 

Humblebee

Active member
Joined
4 Feb 2011
Messages
8,289
Reaction score
2
So Benham only put in £1M last financial year? Tight fisted sod. And don't tell me about the additional Lionel Road investment cos my mate told me he's gonna make a fortune when all the flats are sold!!! :fishing:
Benham out!;)
 

jlove

Well-known member
Joined
17 Dec 2002
Messages
32,592
Reaction score
284
Location
Vaison-la-Romaine
That's a little misleading as their wages were inflated by hefty promotion bonuses.
I would have thought any promotion bonuses would not show up until the next accounting period.
 

BEESRULE

Member
Joined
29 Jan 2007
Messages
179
Reaction score
0
Thinking about the squad value overnight, right now, must be the first time that it is equal to, possibly even greater, than MB's huge investment , which just highlights what a fantastic job the recruitment team have done.

Maupay 20m, Rico, Konsa, Mepham, Watkins 10-15m, Sawyers, Benrahma, Mokotjo 7-10m, soon adds up and are, in some cases, conservative estimates and probably below the club's valuation.

Incoming fee for Nico with Jeanvier, Canos, Marcondes, Bentley etc not included on that list.
 

Idaho Bee

Well-known member
Joined
15 Apr 2000
Messages
10,730
Reaction score
0
Location
Err, Home of the Potato, USA
Matthew Benham certainly is the "quiet achiever".

He is being successful on so many fronts re: BFC:

* Maintaining BFC as a championship club with League 1 revenues

* Managing Managerial changes while doing so

* Having a "selling club" that largely covers our substantial losses each year

* Building a brand new stadium in a very tricky site that is still in Brentford

* Creating a Brentford B team that is now getting accolades around the football world,

Doing all this without seeking the limelight himself.

We are very lucky to have him.
 

Newport Pagnell Bee

Active member
Joined
3 May 2004
Messages
9,636
Reaction score
0
Location
Lyme Regis, Dorset
Matthew Benham certainly is the "quiet achiever".

He is being successful on so many fronts re: BFC:

* Maintaining BFC as a championship club with League 1 revenues

* Managing Managerial changes while doing so

* Having a "selling club" that largely covers our substantial losses each year

* Building a brand new stadium in a very tricky site that is still in Brentford

* Creating a Brentford B team that is now getting accolades around the football world,

Doing all this without seeking the limelight himself.

We are very lucky to have him.
Really? I've just been reading that he and his D'sOF haven't got a clue. We apparently need at least two strikers (proven goalscorers), a class DHM, maybe two, and a centre half or two. We need them now and loads more in the summer. Sadly, MB hasn't got a clue. Possibly the worst period in Brentford's history.
 

ruislip bee

Well-known member
Joined
25 Apr 2009
Messages
20,430
Reaction score
165
Really? I've just been reading that he and his D'sOF haven't got a clue. We apparently need at least two strikers (proven goalscorers), a class DHM, maybe two, and a centre half or two. We need them now and loads more in the summer. Sadly, MB hasn't got a clue. Possibly the worst period in Brentford's history.
What? Is that a serious post? Facebook I take it.
 
OP
Banana

Banana

Occasionally incorrect
Joined
7 Apr 2000
Messages
70,634
Reaction score
1,139
Location
London
I also read that some Salisbury residents think he’s got all his money back, or will have after Mepxit
 

mattdabee

Member
Joined
30 Aug 2015
Messages
80
Reaction score
0
Location
mildenhall suffolk
Really? I've just been reading that he and his D'sOF haven't got a clue. We apparently need at least two strikers (proven goalscorers), a class DHM, maybe two, and a centre half or two. We need them now and loads more in the summer. Sadly, MB hasn't got a clue. Possibly the worst period in Brentford's history.
Not forgetting ripping the soul out of the club by relocating to Brentford {couldn't a site in Brentwood be found} We want our Brentford back i.e. national league, the list goes on....
Still hoping a ron noades type figure can ride to our rescue Benham OUT!!
 

shouldbee

Active member
Joined
20 Jun 2005
Messages
8,366
Reaction score
31
Location
Richmond
Not forgetting ripping the soul out of the club by relocating to Brentford {couldn't a site in Brentwood be found} We want our Brentford back i.e. national league, the list goes on....
Still hoping a ron noades type figure can ride to our rescue Benham OUT!!
You may well laugh, Last Saturday I heard a fella near me saying he thought Pat Kruse was a better defender than our current centre backs...………...I know it's unbelievable :confused:
 
OP
Banana

Banana

Occasionally incorrect
Joined
7 Apr 2000
Messages
70,634
Reaction score
1,139
Location
London
£113.9m was mentioned as the number at the end of last season. So it's still rising.
 

BFC1997

Active member
Joined
12 Feb 2011
Messages
8,173
Reaction score
105
Location
Osterley
£113.9m was mentioned as the number at the end of last season. So it's still rising.
Finances are not my strong suit, so apologies if this is a stupid question.

If we manage to break even (or turn a small profit) in this last financial year, does that still mean the mentioned number rises, and if so, how can we know this?

Are there other vehicles for his investment into the club besides Brentford Football Club Limited?
 
OP
Banana

Banana

Occasionally incorrect
Joined
7 Apr 2000
Messages
70,634
Reaction score
1,139
Location
London
Finances are not my strong suit, so apologies if this is a stupid question.

If we manage to break even (or turn a small profit) in this last financial year, does that still mean the mentioned number rises, and if so, how can we know this?

Are there other vehicles for his investment into the club besides Brentford Football Club Limited?
Profit and Loss are different from Cash Flow.
 

BFC1997

Active member
Joined
12 Feb 2011
Messages
8,173
Reaction score
105
Location
Osterley
Profit and Loss are different from Cash Flow.
Thanks. So does this mean in theory we can turn a profit over the course of a year, but still owe Matthew Benham more at the end than when we started?
 
OP
Banana

Banana

Occasionally incorrect
Joined
7 Apr 2000
Messages
70,634
Reaction score
1,139
Location
London
Thanks. So does this mean in theory we can turn a profit over the course of a year, but still owe Matthew Benham more at the end than when we started?
Absolutely.

For example if we buy a player for £100m on a five-year contract, the contract is "charged" over the five years. So

Year 1: £20m loss, £100m cash required
Year 2: £20m loss, £0 cash required
Year 3: £20m loss, £0 cash required
Year 4: £20m loss, £0 cash required
Year 5: £20m loss, £0 cash required

So in Year 1, our "profit" would be hit by £20m, but our cash requirements would be £100m
 

wanderer paul

https://brentfordfcmemorabilia.wordpress.com/
Joined
28 Oct 2002
Messages
49,076
Reaction score
365
Location
Brentford
A staggering amount.
 

ITK

Member
Joined
9 Aug 2018
Messages
100
Reaction score
5
Just hope the team can repay him by getting promotion sometime soon
 

Les Beeavinu

Administrator
Joined
5 Aug 2002
Messages
55,574
Reaction score
520
Location
Sandhurst
Well if he didn't keep selling all our best players they would have by now (Tongue firmly in cheek!!!! :) )
If we didn't keep selling our best players we'd have non scoring Hogan up front, a disinterested Jota on the wing. the sometimes calamitous Harlee Dean at centre back and Jake Bidwell. Mepham would have done a Mawson, Maupay would be at Brighton, Benrahma who, Henry currently injured at Villa........
 

Idaho Bee

Well-known member
Joined
15 Apr 2000
Messages
10,730
Reaction score
0
Location
Err, Home of the Potato, USA
While it is a staggering amount, it does at least represent significant "value for money" compared to many "investments" in football clubs. (Looking at you Fulham and QPha).

For that 113 million pounds he has seen the club promoted from the vortex which is the bottom two divisions, plus 4 seasons of Championship football against some of the big boys in English Football. In addition we're close to having a new stadium which should last us for 50 years or more.

Compare that to say Fulham spunking 100 million pounds on one failed season.
 

BEEcool

Active member
Joined
14 Feb 2005
Messages
1,258
Reaction score
59
£113 million is a staggering amount of dosh. MB could have bought a superyacht for that.
 

Ealing Bee

Active member
Joined
5 Jun 2002
Messages
9,258
Reaction score
249
Location
Now Chiswick (proud to be a YIMBY)
£113 million is a staggering amount of dosh. MB could have bought a superyacht for that.
Well, an "Entry Level Superyacht", maybe:

"M/Y Eclipse is a luxury motor yacht built by Blohm+Voss of Hamburg, Germany... ...The yacht was delivered to Russian businessman Roman Abramovich on 9 December 2010.... ...The yacht's cost has been estimated at €340 million.

Eclipse has two helicopter pads, 24 guest cabins, two swimming pools, several hot tubs, and a disco hall.[8] It is also equipped with three launch boats and a mini-submarine that is capable of submerging to 50 metres (160 ft). Approximately 70 crew members are needed to operate the yacht and serve the guests. For security, Eclipse is fitted with a missile detection system"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_(yacht)

Though I'm not sure Mr. Benham would require quite the same level of security features... lol
 

Ealing Bee

Active member
Joined
5 Jun 2002
Messages
9,258
Reaction score
249
Location
Now Chiswick (proud to be a YIMBY)
While it is a staggering amount, it does at least represent significant "value for money" compared to many "investments" in football clubs. (Looking at you Fulham and QPha).

For that 113 million pounds he has seen the club promoted from the vortex which is the bottom two divisions, plus 4 seasons of Championship football against some of the big boys in English Football. In addition we're close to having a new stadium which should last us for 50 years or more.

Compare that to say Fulham spunking 100 million pounds on one failed season.
Tbf, whatever the financial lunacies at Fulham or QPR, it is arguable whether getting BFC out of Lge One represents vfm for Mr. Benham's £100m, since the club is still costing him significant money on a season-by-season basis whilst in the Championship.

But providing the London property market holds up, he may get at least some protection/security from the enabling development at LR? (Unsure who actually benefits from this?).

More importantly, should BFC get to the PL, it should offer the chance to recoup a decent chunk of his investment, even if they dropped back down after a season or two.

Though I'm sure his ambition is for BFC to become more established, like eg Watford or Bournemouth. In which case, it's hard to see how even with a 17k stadium, however new, there could be any margin to repay him after the level of re-investment needed to keep the club in the PL was laid out.

As against that, he would see a massive capital gain in the value of an established PL club, were he ever to decide to cash in (part) or sell-up (whole), thereby securing his investment to date.

No doubt he has worked out all the permutations far better than any of us could (or me, at any rate ;)), so it would be fascinating to know exactly what he has in mind.
 
Last edited:

BEEcool

Active member
Joined
14 Feb 2005
Messages
1,258
Reaction score
59
Well, an "Entry Level Superyacht", maybe:

"M/Y Eclipse is a luxury motor yacht built by Blohm+Voss of Hamburg, Germany... ...The yacht was delivered to Russian businessman Roman Abramovich on 9 December 2010.... ...The yacht's cost has been estimated at €340 million.

Eclipse has two helicopter pads, 24 guest cabins, two swimming pools, several hot tubs, and a disco hall.[8] It is also equipped with three launch boats and a mini-submarine that is capable of submerging to 50 metres (160 ft). Approximately 70 crew members are needed to operate the yacht and serve the guests. For security, Eclipse is fitted with a missile detection system"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_(yacht)

Though I'm not sure Mr. Benham would require quite the same level of security features... lol
True. MB looks like the type of bloke that would be more at home on a pedalo in any case.
 

Isleworth_Bee

Well-known member
Joined
18 Jan 2005
Messages
21,434
Reaction score
263
Location
Basingstoke
Hearing a fan yesterday talking about Benham pocketing all the transfer fees and how he hasnt spent a penny on BFC..................:banghead:
 

jlove

Well-known member
Joined
17 Dec 2002
Messages
32,592
Reaction score
284
Location
Vaison-la-Romaine
Hearing a fan yesterday talking about Benham pocketing all the transfer fees and how he hasnt spent a penny on BFC..................:banghead:
Perhaps a new half-time entertainment where these intellectually-challenged individuals are stripped to the waist, publicly flogged and then paraded around the pitch for vegetables to be thrown at them to increase their vitamin intake.
 

nocoat

King of the Geeks
Joined
19 Jan 2001
Messages
47,461
Reaction score
113
Location
No longer my beloved NAM
Hearing a fan yesterday talking about Benham pocketing all the transfer fees and how he hasnt spent a penny on BFC..................:banghead:
I used to pity them now I ****ing loathe them. Arseholes. Look at Jersey Road, Look at Lionel Road, Look at the teams we play every week, look at the players like Maupay, Look at us rattling buckets and walking to wycombe and hartlepool.

delete as appropriate. ****ers.
 

IDontBeeLieveIt

Well-known member
Joined
6 Dec 2013
Messages
14,722
Reaction score
0
I used to pity them now I ****ing loathe them. Arseholes. Look at Jersey Road, Look at Lionel Road, Look at the teams we play every week, look at the players like Maupay, Look at us rattling buckets and walking to wycombe and hartlepool.

delete as appropriate. ****ers.
Sad thing is it can only be total lack of awareness of the clubs financial situation.
If they had half a clue about the finances of the club even the most stupid wouldn't be saying that sort of thing.
 

Herbert

Formerly known as newbee79
Joined
2 Jul 2011
Messages
10,662
Reaction score
53
Location
Northolt
Sad thing is it can only be total lack of awareness of the clubs financial situation.
If they had half a clue about the finances of the club even the most stupid wouldn't be saying that sort of thing.
Not just that. The lack of knowledge many Brentford fans have about the club in General is at times amazing
 

jlove

Well-known member
Joined
17 Dec 2002
Messages
32,592
Reaction score
284
Location
Vaison-la-Romaine
There's a gulf of difference between what is probably the majority of fans, who just turn up to enjoy a match, meet their mates and go home again, and those who deliberately chose to spread the sort of stories that you hear occasionally, like the one above.

In any large and diverse fan base, there will be "leaders" of these sorts of moans and their followers will be the ones repeating them because they know no better.
 

thenightfly

Active member
Joined
13 Apr 2009
Messages
2,050
Reaction score
1
Have no idea if correct thread?

Interview with the long-retired Ronaldo...

https://www.ft.com/content/de15acf8-70e7-11e9-bbfb-5c68069fbd15

Excerpt:

“His new life has been centred on a range of business ventures, including 9ine, a sports marketing agency that he founded with the one-time British advertising supremo Martin Sorrell. (Sir Martin resigned as chief executive of WPP last year, amid allegations over his conduct, which he denied. Ronaldo says he has no knowledge of the specific claims.)

The big one came last year. In a two-year stint in London, where he learnt English, he was approached to buy unfancied sides such as Charlton Athletic and Brentford. Instead, in September he acquired 51 per cent of Real Valladolid, a team in the lower reaches in La Liga, Spain’s top division, for €28m”
 

psg150

Active member
Joined
12 Jan 2014
Messages
1,716
Reaction score
60
Location
Hanwell
We absolutely need to be thankful for what MB has done for the club. Without him we would be nowhere. But he's smarter than just spending £113m.. if you were to look at a notional balance sheet of the club including estimated player asset values then the amount he's put in is probably not that far off now what his club is worth.. how many owners can say that?
 

pensioner

Member
Joined
10 Oct 2010
Messages
605
Reaction score
3
Location
brentford
Hearing a fan yesterday talking about Benham pocketing all the transfer fees and how he hasnt spent a penny on BFC..................:banghead:
Hope he gets his money back, and some, for what he has done for us. Don't begrudge him whatever he can make out of a well thought through strategy.
 

nick logan

Well-known member
Joined
6 Apr 2000
Messages
30,737
Reaction score
317
Location
Essex
I think he might. If he ever decides to sell.
how would he , even if we got to prem , we would need to stay there for us to make money. AFCB have spent loads to stay afloat in the prem.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top Bottom