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He also goes on to say "..it's only 4%...".
The issue we see in government and some social & political commentators is the use of stats to downplay the issue and therefore leading to inaction. So, what I am talking about is it is too easy to fall into the trap of statistics as an excuse to do nothing. Those that want to maintain the status quo and avoid change, because change costs money and power, are very smart at manipulating and downplaying issues of inequality.

If it is only 4% coming from the UK that means 96% of us are not sending racist tweets. If you think many more are racist inside but don't show the traits I don't know how to help you with that.
 

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He also goes on to say "..it's only 4%...".
The issue we see in government and some social & political commentators is the use of stats to downplay the issue and therefore leading to inaction. So, what I am talking about is it is too easy to fall into the trap of statistics as an excuse to do nothing. Those that want to maintain the status quo and avoid change, because change costs money and power, are very smart at manipulating and downplaying issues of inequality.
I'm certainly not the most tech-savvy person out there, but I know to use a VPN to pretend to be somewhere else.
 

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If it is only 4% coming from the UK that means 96% of us are not sending racist tweets. If you think many more are racist inside but don't show the traits I don't know how to help you with that.

Agree that it is really hard to know what to trust or how to interpret when it comes to stats. That's where very smart statisticians and data scientists come in. All I know is most people who have abhorrent views , don't air them publicly. I guess I would like us all to keep working on eradicating that minority, however small it is and not wait until we have absolute proof of the exact scale of the issue.
For the avoidance of doubt, I am not trying to have a go at you and apologies if that's how I have come across. Inequality (in all forms) is something I feel very strongly about.
 

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... which makes you wonder whether that had been replicated in training.

Suggestion: £10k ante every day in a shootout competition
Successful: take a share of the pot
Miss: get dog's abuse from everyone for the rest of the day

Downside: Possibly either against current employment legislation or actually a hate crime
 
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... which makes you wonder whether that had been replicated in training.

Suggestion: £10k ante every day in a shootout competition
Successful: take a share of the pot
Miss: get dog's abuse from everyone for the rest of the day

Downside: Possibly either against current employment legislation or actually a hate crime
Surely the only way to train for penalties is:
1. Hit them hard - like the Germans always do (as hard as a Vitali tackle!). If hard enough you can even hit down the middle like Deeney
2. Go either for inside the post like Harry Kane or Ivan
3. or high like Harry Maguire
all shots 2 foot inside the post and low, will have every chance of being saved as were Sanchos and Saka. They hit them reasonably well, but goalkeeper has 50:50 chance of guessing right.
 

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Build special goals with say 3 foot square ‘bins’ top right and left, keep taking penalties until you can do 3 in a row. And hit them Maguire (or Grainger) style
 

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The analogy of comparing walking along a plank on the floor vs 50 ft up was used a few times during the tournament.. So why not practice 50ft up on a narrow plank?
 

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Surely the only way to train for penalties is:
1. Hit them hard - like the Germans always do (as hard as a Vitali tackle!). If hard enough you can even hit down the middle like Deeney
2. Go either for inside the post like Harry Kane or Ivan
3. or high like Harry Maguire
all shots 2 foot inside the post and low, will have every chance of being saved as were Sanchos and Saka. They hit them reasonably well, but goalkeeper has 50:50 chance of guessing right.
Agree, you would think that clubs would have a structure built to place between the posts leaving only a small percentage of the goal available, bottom and top corners, narrow channel down the middle, players have to be focused on hitting the vacant area 10 times out of 10.
 

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The analogy of comparing walking along a plank on the floor vs 50 ft up was used a few times during the tournament.. So why not practice 50ft up on a narrow plank?
Blooming health and safety probably.
 
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... which makes you wonder whether that had been replicated in training.

Suggestion: £10k ante every day in a shootout competition
Successful: take a share of the pot
Miss: get dog's abuse from everyone for the rest of the day

Downside: Possibly either against current employment legislation or actually a hate crime
I do agree with your key point that there has got to be some jeapody. So the losing team has to stay behind for 2 hours extra training, with the winners being sent somewhere nice (like the Apprentice ..)
 
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Agree, you would think that clubs would have a structure built to place between the posts leaving only a small percentage of the goal available, bottom and top corners, narrow channel down the middle, players have to be focused on hitting the vacant area 10 times out of 10.
Is there also something about the demeanour of the taker? All the successful kickers seem to be looking downwards as they approach the spot, and does this help them kick hard, past their lowered head, through the ball ? A bit like a golfer having to keep their head down. Also stops them looking directly at the keeper.
 

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I do agree with your key point that there has got to be some jeapody. So the losing team has to stay behind for 2 hours extra training, with the winners being sent somewhere nice (like the Apprentice ..)
I don't think can replicate the jeopardy involved whatever try in training.
Strangely in a normal match situation the cute penalty takers most often or not are successful whereas in a penalty shoot out (eg. Rashford or Jorghino in final) can come unstuck. This also (in addition to extra pressure) could have to do with the goalkeeper's own mentality plus fact not just facing the one penalty. Which then comes back to taking keeper out of the equation decide before taking high or low left or right and hit hard. If all five penalty takers with sufficient technical skills took that approach likelihood is that at least four out of five will be successful. Normally that would be enough to win or take to sudden death.... in 1996 that was exactly our approach and we scored all five...unfortunately so did Germany!
 

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Agree that it is really hard to know what to trust or how to interpret when it comes to stats. That's where very smart statisticians and data scientists come in. All I know is most people who have abhorrent views , don't air them publicly. I guess I would like us all to keep working on eradicating that minority, however small it is and not wait until we have absolute proof of the exact scale of the issue.
For the avoidance of doubt, I am not trying to have a go at you and apologies if that's how I have come across. Inequality (in all forms) is something I feel very strongly about.

Anyway, we are pretty much trying to achieve the same thing, I think we don’t need a tommy gun firing all over the pace we need a sniper rifle,

Looks like I have found a target, feel free to visit and let know what you think.

He thinks we are losing our culture, I responded that my culture is ska, black football players and plying cricket with Asians, his is being a hateful ****,
 

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Saka saying today he knew what would happen after he missed. Would bet any money that was on his mind before he took the kick. That's pretty fecking awful to be honest.

to be fair I know what would come my way if I missed one, wouldn’t be racist but would be fekkin horrible. Weed them out, that’s the new slogan we need,
 

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on reflection the talk about a bank holiday seems a bit over the top
 
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