Forest 1-0 Brentford: Match Reports

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Its going to be a season of boring sh*t. But i will enjoy the lectures at half time from 10 year olds about the dangers of Islamophobia. Bring on Lionel road El Plastico and our new fan base ..

Where do you start with this honestly!

Totally agree let's not attract new fans, stay at the same stadium, a stadium not able to give us a chance sustainable future and as for the Islamaphobia dig you obviously did not listen or understand.

By all means criticise the performance on the pitch, but don't let's think the days of 4000 loyal fans is better than 10000+ every game.

As for the stadium dig I have decided to go there and make sure I enjoy every minute and I am not going to let any moaning affect my enjoyment. If you think it is El Plastico please let someone else have your ticket.
 

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Where do you start with this honestly!

Totally agree let's not attract new fans, stay at the same stadium, a stadium not able to give us a chance sustainable future and as for the Islamaphobia dig you obviously did not listen or understand.

By all means criticise the performance on the pitch, but don't let's think the days of 4000 loyal fans is better than 10000+ every game.

As for the stadium dig I have decided to go there and make sure I enjoy every minute and I am not going to let any moaning affect my enjoyment. If you think it is El Plastico please let someone else have your ticket.

Couldn’t agree more Ace. Hard to believe some of our fans have this viewpoint.
 

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Frustrating at the end as 0-0 would have felt like a well earned point. Two fairly evenly matched teams. Forest seemed to me to carry a bit more intent on the break but neither team carried a huge amount of threat. Once ahead Forest managed the game competently. Thought they were better organised than in previous years.
 

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Probably very true. Not sure what people are getting too excited about. Still plenty of time and we’ve plenty of class. Norsgaard today was superb. Just need one or two others to be slightly more consistent and we’ll be up there. However these three match weeks seem to test us. I suspect we’re not as fit as some other teams and that impacts up physically and mentally.

Good day out today. Shame they got the result. Even managed some knitting.

Isn’t this Chris Haslam character supposed to be regarded as the best thing since sliced bread as far as sports science and fitness is concerned?

We haven’t been fit enough for the last couple of seasons in comparison to other teams. Perhaps someone ought to be asking questions of him. I believe he jumped ship and went off to join Rosler at Wigan before crawling back when he lost his job up there a few months later. Maybe Dean Smith and Aston Villa will make him another he can’t refuse soon!
 

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I think the league has got much tougher. I’m not sure either Douglas or McCormack playing as they did in 14-15 would look like much in 19-20. And they themselves were miles behind the top central midfielders even that season as we saw particularly against Middlesbrough.

But when you had a front four of Judge, Jota, Pritchard and Gray it helped.
 

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But when you had a front four of Judge, Jota, Pritchard and Gray it helped.

I'm not sure the 14-15 versions of any of those would look that great today. Apart from Judge, the other 3 are probably now at their peak and none are doing brilliantly, even if both Jota and Gray are at PL clubs. That team was great that season and we all enjoyed the run but we shouldn't be too rose tinted about it. We did everything right in the run in and were fortunate that the likes of Derby choked. We could quite easily, had others not faltered, ended up in 8th that season. It wasn't a set of supermen. Even in our final home league game against Wigan I remember a bunch of moaners having a go at Gray for not being good enough right until he scored.
 
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I did like their song about the City Ground, particularly as we don’t have one about Griffin Park. I did think perhaps we should nick theirs, but....

It was weird because at times the stadium was silent but when they got going I am struggling to think of anywhere louder - maybe The Riverside for the PO semi final. Anyway..

Old Griffin Park, oh mist rolling in from the Thames
My desire, is always to be here
Old Griffin Park
 

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I felt we never threatened Forest. Yesterday, I would have loved to had Sawyers in there, he would have unlocked a pass to the front guys. Really miss that guy. I can't see why our number 10 did not start the game. Frank is a nice guy but you need to be more than a nice guy to win players round these days. I worry about us paying big money wages to players from bigger teams who have fallen out with their manager over common decency, when that same player yesterday - who had he stood tall rather than hunch down and turn his back to protect his face, could have stopped that goal from going in ....
 

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Some sh*t dirge from McCartney, no thanks

It was a bit like being in an old pub with a crap juke box yesterday. Random dull songs from the 60s and 70s kept popping up for no reason.
 

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* Dull game with few efforts on goal
* Forest well organised but not too pretty on the eye - defenders lumping ball forward cynically on several occasions
* Brentford static, ponderous and lacking in imagination going forward - none of the dynamism glimpsed at at Barnsley
* Set pieces must get past the first defender FFS especially now we have an aerial threat (at least I think we do)
* Saïd needs to rein in the tricks. Tantamount to showboating today when something more direct was called for
* Norgaard progressing nicely
* Despite what others have said, Kamo provided a progressive link between midfield and attack when he came on today
* Raya continues to impress. Collects crosses with an ease which belies his height.

Agree with most of this, but...

* I thought there were several moments when the team clicked and the slick moves flowed. Unfortunately there was rarely the killer pass at the end of it, or the final shot was delayed and then blocked by a defender
* True, Benrahma needs to curb his tendency to try to do it all himself; I'd have liked to see more of the defence-splitting long passes he's capable of, as demonstrated against Barnsley
* Yesterday's game could have gone either way. Once we got settled, Forest never really dominated. Watkins was unlucky to be called marginally offside when put clean through towards the end.

With a quarter of the season gone, it's disappointing that we find ourselves in the bottom third of the table. But there's plenty of time for a recovery. I haven't seen much of a difference in quality between ourselves and the many teams jostling for position in or just below the top six who'll tend to cancel each other out as the season develops. The defence is performing well (though more work is needed on defending at set pieces, eg Bristol City's equaliser, Forest's winner). We just need to get the attack firing on all cylinders. The talent's there; they've just got to get it right on the day.
 

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Frustrating at the end as 0-0 would have felt like a well earned point. Two fairly evenly matched teams. Forest seemed to me to carry a bit more intent on the break but neither team carried a huge amount of threat. Once ahead Forest managed the game competently. Thought they were better organised than in previous years.

Agreed very frustrating, 0-0 would have been a fair point, I thought our forward play was not good enough to worry Forest even though with Ollie working hard there was just no link play at all between the midfield and Ollie, in my view the wingers weren't effective enough also, second half the players looked shattered and the runs became limited, could be due to the amount of games played in such a short time.
 

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Some sh*t dirge from McCartney, no thanks

I wouldn’t include it amongst my favourite one thousand songs but it sounded pretty impressive yesterday when seemingly most of their fans joined in. One of the loudest I’ve heard in recent years. ( Wrong thread, I know).
 

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Just because you dont agree with the twitter posts it doesnt mean its drivel. We are horrible to watch now. And I can only blame one man, sorry.

I think it's a bit harsh to lay all the blame at the feet of Harry Curtis.
 

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Should have been 0-0...neither side deserved to win....dull as dishwater game but as usual a very enjoyable day out in a great city...my kids have now gone nearly 2 years without seeing an away win ( i was at boro in aug) and thats around 30 away games....unfkinbelievable jeff:( TF needs to look at his obsession with watkins being a CF when he clearly fkin isnt one...its on the verge of ridiculous as he can only do it against poor oppo and anyone half decent has him in their pocket for 90mins...we need a rethink and fast
 

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Thanks for the reports. All the more so as virtually no commissioned newspaper match reports these days that I can find. Come back The Chronicle or Evening Mail! We may have been beyond dreadful in those days but real reports! Keep it going guys!
 

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Here is my view for what it’s worth and I’m sure there is a common theme to most on here :

* Day didn’t start great, slow drive meaning didn’t get their until 14:00.
* Piss poor ticketing arrangements, I missed first 10 minutes due to queuing up to pick up my ticket as ordered late, could have ordered ticket earlier but getting to the ground by 14:40 should be sufficient time to get ticket. Only one window operating when +50 people queuing up.
* surprised no Said and Kamo, but guess 3 games in a week takes its toll.
* Norsgard started well and probably stood out as main player in an average first half that needed a goal to spark it into life.
* Nearly scored a lucky deflected goal from Jensen free kick.
* Second half started and was equally dull with both teams nullifying each other.
* Poor across pass from Rico (2nd game running) put us in real trouble and would have been 1-0 but for the heroics of PJ.
* Resulting corner, JJ got a flick on that had we been attacking would have worked better than the poor corners we tried, but only knocked it on to their attacker who nodded it down for Watson to drill home neatly on the half volley, Raya no chance.
* Changes needed, surely Said for Sergi as he was on a stupid undeserved yellow and losing his rag and Kamo for Jensen who was not dominating midfield as possibly carrying the injury from Barnsley (or just having a bad game). But no it was Said for Mbeumo and Kamo for Da Silva. (Neither of them doing too much TBF)
* Changes made little difference so surely Nic the Greek for Sergi, but no Nick for Jensen leaving Sergi playing where ??? Said and Ollie on wings, Nick up front.
* Could have played all weekend without scoring.

Raya handling and distribution has been excellent all season, big improvement on Bentley.
P.J and J.J solid, but a mistake in both of them, but generally make amends and our defensive record vs previous years speaks volumes, perhaps Pinnock feeling aggrieved that he is not getting a start though.
Henry and Dalsgard both doing well but would argue the quality into the box from both was lacking.
Midfield, well here we go. Norsgard improving, was not his biggest fan but now starting to show form, but probably only a 7/10, Da Silva has more presence but still work to be done which would normally result in a place on the bench. Jensen, supposedly our set piece man, corners and free kicks were woeful.
Sergi tried and was galloping down the flanks but trying to take the team on too many times, but in the running for MOM ?
Mbeumbo not firing on all cylinders yet.
Olllie, we all know he should be playing wide despite what the goal stats say.
Said was poor when he did come on trying to showboat instead on doing what he was on the pitch to do.

We are very predictable and in the main only score from attack's down the wings and pull back or crosses to Oillie (Barnsley)
Previously when attacking we go forward, now we have a tendency to stop and move the ball square or even backwards giving the opposition time to retreat.

Give Nick the Greek a start, with Ollie and Said / Sergi / Mbeumbo on the wings, give Valencia a go.
Small margins in most of our draws / defeats that on another day could have got a draw / win with a bit of luck.

2 weeks to have a good think, but it’s 4-3-3 for me not wing backs as our primary formation.
 

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It is galling to be lectured by a ten-year-old, or even a sixteen-year-old. A humbling experience that most parents go through, while travelling the road to wisdom and maturity.
 

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yes pal - you think they deserve their position??? as i say two poor teams today imo

I don't follow Forest, so I couldn't really say whether they deserve it. They are up there though, so if they are poor or average their also currently effective :shrug:
 

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Ridiculous attempt to win the ball - what a joke.

Viewed objectively, the challenge was fairly strong, but Bryan latched on to this and went down far too easily. Did himself no favours in front of the ref. Note that he didn't complain too much as he got back to his feet. Always a bit of a giveaway!
 

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Viewed objectively, the challenge was fairly strong, but Bryan latched on to this and went down far too easily. Did himself no favours in front of the ref. Note that he didn't complain too much as he got back to his feet. Always a bit of a giveaway!

Bryan flicks it past him, Sow tries to win the ball with his leading leg and misses, it does hit him in the midriff but he has followed through and bundled Bryan over for me it's a foul.
 

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Viewed objectively, the challenge was fairly strong, but Bryan latched on to this and went down far too easily. Did himself no favours in front of the ref. Note that he didn't complain too much as he got back to his feet. Always a bit of a giveaway!

No way. Sow missed the ball, momentum means he charges into Bryan. Whether or not he went down too easy (I don’t think so, given force off the challenge), you can’t deny Sow got none of the ball (it hits him when Bryan flicks it) so it’s a clear foul?
 

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I admire your loyalty to our cause, but Bryan actually flicks the ball into Sow's chest then starts to go down before impact. That's the way I see it. Sorry.
 

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Stroppy bloke sits in the new road, end of aisle seat big stare every time someone wants a wee 😂

Yes my wife and I suffer from that. A gang of people who act as if they bought the effin row. Look at heavens each time and slowly move their legs just so we can get to our seats.
 

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Yes my wife and I suffer from that. A gang of people who act as if they bought the effin row. Look at heavens each time and slowly move their legs just so we can get to our seats.

It's got to be the same ones. Not only rude, but actually quite aggressive towards me. Pleased I decided to ignore the bloke 'cos I was actually quite stressed at the time, and it could easily have got heated. Had arrived later than expected and run some of the way to try (unsuccessfully) to make kick-off. Was dripping with sweat and pretty stressed, as I said. Got to end of row and politely waited for youngish lad to stand so we could get through. He looked at me and didn't move, so I asked if I could get past. Big bloke (dad) three seats further in leaps to his feet and asks me why I'm getting stroppy. Glared at him as I walked past, but thought it wiser to say nothing as I'm with daughter and otherwise enjoying a great day with her - first time I've seen her since she started uni a few weeks ago.
 

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I admire your loyalty to our cause, but Bryan actually flicks the ball into Sow's chest then starts to go down before impact. That's the way I see it. Sorry.

Sorry that's just not true - Bryan looks to side step (I mean why else flick it around him) and then gets bundled over, no chance he is going down before impact.
 

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Sorry that's just not true - Bryan looks to side step (I mean why else flick it around him) and then gets bundled over, no chance he is going down before impact.

I've looked again. Maybe doesn't start to go down before impact (not sure). Fair call (maybe). But definitely doesn't flick it past the bloke. And definitely doesn't take issue with the ref after.
 

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I've looked again. Maybe doesn't start to go down before impact (not sure). Fair call (maybe). But definitely doesn't flick it past the bloke. And definitely doesn't take issue with the ref after.

Yes sorry, meant to say tried to flick it past him. I'll cocede this - it's a foul every time in the Premier League but a fair challenge in the Scottish Premiership so maybe a 50/50 decision in the EFL Championship. A definite foul for me but not for you.
 

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I admire your loyalty to our cause, but Bryan actually flicks the ball into Sow's chest then starts to go down before impact. That's the way I see it. Sorry.

Maybe i'm rose tinted too! I see a ridiculous challenge, good for Bryan for getting up as quickly as he did.
 

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I admire your loyalty to our cause, but Bryan actually flicks the ball into Sow's chest then starts to go down before impact. That's the way I see it. Sorry.

You weren't the ref on Saturday were you?
 

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I've looked again. Maybe doesn't start to go down before impact (not sure). Fair call (maybe). But definitely doesn't flick it past the bloke. And definitely doesn't take issue with the ref after.

Sometimes people only see it from our side.....but not sure what you're defending this one!
Their bloke massively overcommits and flattens Mbuemo. It's a foul regardless of where the ball is. Which he didn't get anyway. It just falls into his path following Mbeumo knocking it into him as he's flying through to clatter him!
I don't think Mbuemo can take issue with the ref because he's just been WWE bodyslammed and is lying on the floor not knowing where he is!
 

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A perfect example of how bad that ref was. Don’t have the clip of the Watkins steamroller but that was similar. How the hell is this not a foul. Christ.
The referee clearly had those Forest stars in his eyes. The Watkins one was notably bad, particularly in the context of Forest players who got free kicks for just flopping over as a Bees player ran past. It maybe didn't affect the outcome but it gave their defenders confidence in the final minutes that they had a licence to fool.
 

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The referee clearly had those Forest stars in his eyes. The Watkins one was notably bad, particularly in the context of Forest players who got free kicks for just flopping over as a Bees player ran past. It maybe didn't affect the outcome but it gave their defenders confidence in the final minutes that they had a licence to fool.

Big club syndrome
 

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The referee clearly had those Forest stars in his eyes. The Watkins one was notably bad, particularly in the context of Forest players who got free kicks for just flopping over as a Bees player ran past. It maybe didn't affect the outcome but it gave their defenders confidence in the final minutes that they had a licence to fool.

I think the ref also had a licence to fool ;)

We'll never know if it affected the outcome or not but it certainly didn't help us!

Apologies if already mentioned but was Ollie offside for that one in the second half? I was hoping they'd show it on Quest.
 

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Apologies if already mentioned but was Ollie offside for that one in the second half?
Our impression at the time was that he'd run past his defender after the ball was played but it's difficult to judge from behind the goal. The look on Ollie's face said that he thought he'd timed his run well.
 

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Our impression at the time was that he'd run past his defender after the ball was played but it's difficult to judge from behind the goal. The look on Ollie's face said that he thought he'd timed his run well.

Agree entirely with that.
 

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I admire your loyalty to our cause, but Bryan actually flicks the ball into Sow's chest then starts to go down before impact. That's the way I see it. Sorry.

Nothing to do with loyalty. Sow doesn't get the ball - flattens the man with his momentum (don't think Bryan goes down before the impact either) Not sure where your argument is - are you saying it's not a foul? Why? For me the only way you can argue that it's not a foul, is if you think Sow got the ball fairly. He clearly doesn't.
 

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