frank lampard....a proper whopper

[To Bee Someone]

We have some decent stewards to be fair. I wouldn't tar them with the same brush. The one i spoke to was livid Holmes had told them to eff off. I hope he and a few others present an honest account

 

[NorthamptonBee]

We have some decent stewards to be fair. I wouldn't tar them with the same brush. The one i spoke to was livid Holmes had told them to eff off. I hope he and a few others present an honest account

He really has to say what he saw, Holmes is going to get away with this.

 

[Ejvind]

We have some decent stewards to be fair. I wouldn't tar them with the same brush. The one i spoke to was livid Holmes had told them to eff off. I hope he and a few others present an honest account

The stewards on Ealing Road are great. Someone got through the gate yesterday to celebrate behind the goal and they just kindly put him back and told him he can't be doing that, which is entirely fair and a reasonable response. No need for anyone to get dragged out, for instance. Proportional and polite.

 

[sussexb]

I have to agree with you. The fella is more of a scapegoat than Sawyers or McEachran ever were! No need to turn on each other. Hughbee has not said anything earth-shatteringly out of order. Don't have to jump down his throat at every post. More important fish to fry anyway.

Agreed.

 

[SpiderBee]

In this day and age, I cannot imagine anyone (apart from David Brent) "doing" a "monkey" gesture.
I hope the truth outs quickly and if that was the scenario, then justice will prevail.
If not, then the knighthood Gareth Southgate received should be the least our maligned fan receives!

 

[SpiderBee]

''Brentford doesn't have such a problem'' Oh, you mean like the gentleman on twitter saying he has been attempting to report another incident of racism instigated by Brentford fans from when you played Arsenal last september, that the club has allegedly repeatedly ignored? Sounds like your fans have got a track record and the subsequent response to this incident seems to tie in perfectly with that...

Who is this geezer? Randomram or a journo?

 

[Silly Hat]

Now you’re really stretching the truth. There have been loads of sensible posts on here and I’ve, apart from a couple of posts, left it to them.

Always right, my arse.

Given that you are, rightly, derided, denounced, and dismissed as an agenda-pushing clown could you, just for this one occasion, desist from commenting.

Please.

 

[SpiderBee]

Rams manager Frank Lampard added: “Obviously Duane’s upset with the situation. It’s not what we want to see in life, not just in football.

“I can take a lot of banter. There was a lot of that today and I don’t mind that. I used to play down the road and I accept that, but some things obviously cross the line.”

Derby said in a statement that Holmes would “receive the club’s full support after being subjected to such abhorrent behaviour”.

WHAT A sh*t RESPONSE FROM A sh*t CLUB!

 

[To Bee Someone]

Rams manager Frank Lampard added: “Obviously Duane’s upset with the situation. It’s not what we want to see in life, not just in football.

“I can take a lot of banter. There was a lot of that today and I don’t mind that. I used to play down the road and I accept that, but some things obviously cross the line.”

Derby said in a statement that Holmes would “receive the club’s full support after being subjected to such abhorrent behaviour”.

WHAT A sh*t RESPONSE FROM A sh*t CLUB!

He couldnt take the banter though. That's the irony. He pointed to himself and said 'I'm a grass'
What crossed the line exactly. The fact that his team bottled it yesterday?

 

[ruislip bee]

I thought it was Johnson. I was amazed that a) he didn't leave the field with either a straight red or a second yellow, then b) that us fans didn't get stuck into Johnson every time he touched the ball thereafter. I started to boo him, but nobody else seemed interested.

I don't know where you sit but if in NR you must have heard me. Was screaming at him through cupped hands for at least 10 minutes that he had a 4 game ban coming up. Ref was f***ing useless. Should have been a straight red clear as day. Cole - straight red for abusing the lino and as for kicking our bloke on the ground 3 times in front of NR I really do despair. These refs get paid and are supposed to be unbiased professionals. Jesus! Clear example of big club bias. The only thing we got, correctly in our favour, was the Cole dive. Even then the way they surrounded the ref was very aggressive and should have seen Yellows dished out.

 

[Bixer]

He couldnt take the banter though. That's the irony. He pointed to himself and said 'I'm a grass'
What crossed the line exactly. The fact that his team bottled it yesterday?

I’m pretty certain he was saying ‘I’m in charge’

But yeah I agree that he didn’t take the banter quite as well as he says, as that’s what he was saying as he was all too keen to point the finger at a fan when he himself hadn’t actually seen or heard anything.

 

[horshambees]

We have some decent stewards to be fair. I wouldn't tar them with the same brush. The one i spoke to was livid Holmes had told them to eff off. I hope he and a few others present an honest account

I agree a lot of them are decent and I am pointing out one here in particular as I am seeing this situation at very close quarters.
Time will tell how it plays out.


If our lad gets charged then a not guilty plea will have to be in order.
Any statements need to be in his defence and not for the prosecution.
Obviously hobbsy has highlighted a brief to be contacted.
A not guilty plea will of course drag witnesses forward and Lampard and Holmes will have to be called to give evidence.
That's when we can find out what they are made of.
Let's hope the female steward is approached for her version of events.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

I don't know where you sit but if in NR you must have heard me. Was screaming at him through cupped hands for at least 10 minutes that he had a 4 game ban coming up. Ref was f***ing useless. Should have been a straight red clear as day. Cole - straight red for abusing the lino and as for kicking our bloke on the ground 3 times in front of NR I really do despair. These refs get paid and are supposed to be unbiased professionals. Jesus! Clear example of big club bias. The only thing we got, correctly in our favour, was the Cole dive. Even then the way they surrounded the ref was very aggressive and should have seen Yellows dished out.

Other side of the ground. Wondered who that was with the megaphone in NR. lol

 

[mhead bee]

It has if high profiles like frank want it to be

And “ash” as the ref kept calling him yesterday.

 

[ruislip bee]

And “ash” as the ref kept calling him yesterday.

Really! Really! Jesus. Really?

 

[BEEcool]

I’m pretty certain he was saying ‘I’m in charge’

But yeah I agree that he didn’t take the banter quite as well as he says, as that’s what he was saying as he was all too keen to point the finger at a fan when he himself hadn’t actually seen or heard anything.

I thought he was pointing to himself saying “I’m the c*nt?, I’m the c*nt?” like someone had just called him a c*nt and he was ironically suggesting it was the person accusing him of being a c*nt that was in fact the c*nt.

(Not my most eloquent of posts)

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

I thought he was pointing to himself saying “I’m the c*nt?, I’m the c*nt?” like someone had just called him a c*nt and he was ironically suggesting it was the person accusing him of being a c*nt that was in fact the c*nt.

(Not my most eloquent of posts)

So was he later pointing out the individual who he thought had said this to him? Because he cannot know who was said to have abused the player, can he, if he wasn't looking? I'm confused by this element of the whole saga.

 

[California Bee]

How about

we there was an incident with accusations made, we decline to comment further until the matter has been investigated

I would add that we have no evidence of racial abuse at this time and that several spectators have stated that they heard no racial comments in the area cited.

 

[BEEcool]

So was he later pointing out the individual who he thought had said this to him? Because he cannot know who was said to have abused the player, can he, if he wasn't looking? I'm confused by this element of the whole saga.

From where I was sat, it looked to me like FL was pointing someone out who he was in a live tête-à-tête with. Not trying to identify someone who had alledegedy abused Holmes 5 minutes previously.

 

[mhead bee]

I get how I seem like the typical opposition, almost playing contrarion because we support different clubs but that really isn't the case. Racism has no place in the game, neither do false accusations but I find it worrying that Duane Holmes is getting verbally attacked by members of your fanbase when they can't prove he's not telling the truth, no-one can yet. In that instance, everyone should procede with caution until we know all we can. I doubt these fans will take accountability for their slander against Holmes if your fan is subsequently charged so thought something needed to be said, for the sake of objectivity.

To be honest I despise the little scroat cos he behaved like a total scum bag during the game and when he was taken off. Your manager and most of your team were a disgrace and the dirtiest team we have played since we came to the championship 5 years ago. When the steward went to see if he was ok he told her to fukk off at least twice proving what an unpleasant, nasty little toe rag he is. He is a nasty little bloke and so are half your team and you should feel ashamed as you have a great club and great fans and you deserve better.

If one of our fans has racially abused anyone then I hope they get a life ban. However let’s see where the evidence takes us because there are dozens of people including two stewards who were amongst it all who swear there was no racist comments, in fact the only person who saw or heard it was the accuser, even your players standing with him seemed to have somehow missed it. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen but it does feel a bit weird doesn’t it. You seem to think the home fans are rallying around protecting a racist but you fail to grasp that several of these people are Asian, black or married with mixed race children.

 

[Bixer]

It certainly both looked and sounded like ‘I’m in charge’ from where I was sat.

Basically as Holmes was complaining to the officials, before anyone was aware there was a racism complaint being made, a number of fans were shouting ‘snitch’, including the fan who was ejected/arrested. He was also still pretty agitated/animated by this point and was still shouting down, which is the point Lampard got involved and decided to point him out specifically to the stewards - I assume because he was still so animated it was obvious that he’d been involved.

As I say, to me I thought I both heard and saw his mouth say ‘I’m in charge’ as he pointed to himself and smirked, as in, ‘I’m getting you kicked out’, but I may be wrong and it may have been him repeating the c word that was no doubt being shouted a lot at both Holmes and Lampard - but at that point by multiple fans.

 

[Mick.C]

So was he later pointing out the individual who he thought had said this to him? Because he cannot know who was said to have abused the player, can he, if he wasn't looking? I'm confused by this element of the whole saga.

HWB, I think like Bixer, Lampard pointed to his chest and mouthed ‘I’m in charge, I’m in charge’ two or three times to our supporter just after pointing him out to the stewards.

 

[mhead bee]

Really! Really! Jesus. Really?

Yeah, “ash, move back to there” when taking a throw was the clearest one. Maybe he called all the players by their first names.

 

[hughbee]

Given that you are, rightly, derided, denounced, and dismissed as an agenda-pushing clown could you, just for this one occasion, desist from commenting.

Please.

No, but thanks for your opinion. Are you aware of the C of C? For that matter are any of the mods enforcing the code of conduct?

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

HWB, I think like Bixer, Lampard pointed to his chest and mouthed ‘I’m in charge, I’m in charge’ two or three times to our supporter just after pointing him out to the stewards.

But this is what is confusing me. Fine if he's pointing this guy out for verbally abusing him (Lampard), but how can it be assumed that this is the same person who has allegedly made inappropriate comments to Holmes, if Lampard wasn't looking at the time. Only thing I can think of is that Holmes might have seen the Lampard banter and told Frank that this is the same bloke who has just racially abused me??

 

[WarrenBee]

Can't do links, but would this happen be the same Frank Lampard (along with Jody Morris) that abused American tourists at a Heathrow hotel following the 9/11 attacks?

 

[IslandBee]

There is no point getting down the police station, the police are not paid to help out with the defence case.

If there are witnesses then I suggest that they get in touch with BIAS (probably via hobbsy on here via PM).

Fair enough! Just not a good idea to go expressing an 'opinion' on Twiter if you were nowhere near the incident

 

[rebus]

I would add that we have no evidence of racial abuse at this time and that several spectators have stated that they heard no racial comments in the area cited.

We appear to have conflicting reports everywhere on all matters following the third goal. The only person that knows the truth of what was actually said was arrested so I await his version with interest.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

Yeah, “ash, move back to there” when taking a throw was the clearest one. Maybe he called all the players by their first names.

So was it "Rom" for Sawyers and "Hen" for Dalsgaard, and so on?

 

[TW3Bee]

You do realise that your desire for catching racists is noble, however you have a problem are part of a hunting society who see many more problems than those that actually exist at GP. The media join in on their latest crusade and suddenly we have imo an innocent fan thrown to the wolves, your sort, to satisfy your weird view of the world. The damage will be that this young man’s life might be in tatters over you and your sort and their need for your existence. A player couldn’t handle his emotion after swearing at a lady and called someone racist, not one Brentford fan nearby has seen or heard anything racist but your crowd’s witch-hunt finally have a victim.

Well said Northampton.

 

[sonofabee]

We appear to have conflicting reports everywhere on all matters following the third goal. The only person that knows the truth of what was actually said was arrested so I await his version with interest.

He’s staying off the GPG but thanks the people who are supporting him through this traumatic experience.
I believe he’s sought professional legal advice so let’s hope the truth will out.

I wish him all the best as believe he’s innocent.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

Well said Northampton.

Disagree. I think it is an OTT and disproportionate reaction to anything that the poster has said. We're all concerned about this issue and are desperate for the truth to come out. Some posters however are using language which is far too emotive; are sometimes jumping to premature conclusions; and are also in danger of stereotyping individuals with the 'your sort' type of language which is precisely what racism is made of. Cool down everyone please and allow due process to run its course, however painful that may be for the individuals involved.

 

[To Bee Someone]

Can't do links, but would this happen be the same Frank Lampard (along with Jody Morris) that abused American tourists at a Heathrow hotel following the 9/11 attacks?

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...11-mocking-in-new-york-newspaper-9620838.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1341356/Chelsea-four-fined-for-drunken-abuse.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/1558855.stm

This what you were after?

 

[Paul O'Brien]

The club statement is appalling IMO. It reads like it’s absolutely certain there was racist abuse when quite clearly judging by those in the vicinity that appears a fiercely contested allegation.

It's a series of statements of fact. People can read what they want into it. A statement was fair enough to indicate that we took the matter seriously, I feel. So what else could we have said?

 

[nocoat]

That question has been asked and answered about five times already on this thread !

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Disagree. I think it is an OTT and disproportionate reaction to anything that the poster has said. We're all concerned about this issue and are desperate for the truth to come out. Some posters however are using language which is far too emotive; are sometimes jumping to premature conclusions; and are also in danger of stereotyping individuals with the 'your sort' type of language which is precisely what racism is made of. Cool down everyone please and allow due process to run its course, however painful that may be for the individuals involved.

On this thread maybe but his strong desire to snare one has gone wrong, he is part of a huge problem where his end goal is good but he’s too desperate to promote a rabid racism problem in society and Brentford. He’s too far left, if you can’t see that then imo you have an issue too.

 

[sonofabee]

It's a series of statements of fact. People can read what they want into it. A statement was fair enough to indicate that we took the matter seriously, I feel. So what else could we have said?

Given what a forward thinking and progressive club we've been in terms of embracing both Diversity and Inclusion I'd like us to have made it quite clear it was at this stage an allegation that was being investigated and a reminder of our excellent reputation as a community club.

 

[sonofabee]

Disagree. I think it is an OTT and disproportionate reaction to anything that the poster has said. We're all concerned about this issue and are desperate for the truth to come out. Some posters however are using language which is far too emotive; are sometimes jumping to premature conclusions; and are also in danger of stereotyping individuals with the 'your sort' type of language which is precisely what racism is made of. Cool down everyone please and allow due process to run its course, however painful that may be for the individuals involved.

I'm sorry I usually agree with you but this individual is devisive and rubbing his hands in anticipation that he can say "I told you so" . Our club has rightly got a great name and is an award winning club with an exemplary record for our stance on racism and has been recognised as one of the trail blazers for well over 30 years. It is in danger of being tarnished because of one opposition players word that has yet to be corroborated by anyone else and yet we are filling up newspaper columns and all over the national TV headlines with our recent campaign being questioned. This is the time for all genuine Bees fans to circle the wagons, load up on ammo and come out fighting, not start infighting and revelling at the thought of being right.

There should be more than enough CCTV and witnesses in a packed New Road to either confirm what Holmes has said or blow it out of the water, let's wait and see and trust that the absolute truth is forthcoming.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

I'm sorry I usually agree with you but this individual is devisive and rubbing his hands in anticipation that he can say "I told you so" . Our club has rightly got a great name and is an award winning club with an exemplary record for our stance on racism and has always been recognised as one of the trail blazers for well over 30 years. It is in danger of being tarnished because of one opposition players word that has yet to be corroborated by anyone else and yet we are filling up newspaper columnd and all over the national TV headlines with our recent campaign being questioned. This is the time for all genuine Bees fans to circle the wagons, load up on ammo and come out fighting, not start infighting and revelling at the thought of being right. ]

There should be more than enough CCTV and witnesses in a packed New Road to either confirm what Holmes has said or blow it out of the water, let's wait and see and trust that the absolute truth is forthcoming.

Exactly what your last paragraph says, S. For the rest, I don't think the poster in question has actually said that much, and I think we are in danger of putting words into his mouth because of past experience.

The other thing to say, and this is perhaps obvious, is that this isn't actually as high profile in other people's world as we think it might be. Every Sunday I speak to quite a large bunch of people who support all sorts of teams, and come from all sorts of backgrounds. Most ask me about Brentford's match, having already checked up on the score, scorers etc. Yesterday was no different. Not one of them asked me about any racist incident they might have heard or read about. It was never mentioned. And they would have, believe me.

 

[PJ]

It's a series of statements of fact. People can read what they want into it. A statement was fair enough to indicate that we took the matter seriously, I feel. So what else could we have said?

It's the "driven out of Griffin Park" line that is the problem IMO.
Infers we have major problems of this sort at GP. Daft wording and hardly likely to encourage parents to bring their young kids to GP. Or LR for that matter.
An unnecessary own goal which feeds the media frenzy and so avoidable

 

[sonofabee]

Exactly what your last paragraph says, S. For the rest, I don't think the poster in question has actually said that much, and I think we are in danger of putting words into his mouth because of past experience.

The other thing to say, and this is perhaps obvious, is that this isn't actually as high profile in other people's world as we think it might be. Every Sunday I speak to quite a large bunch of people who support all sorts of teams, and come from all sorts of backgrounds. Most ask me about Brentford's match, having already checked up on the score, scorers etc. Yesterday was no different. Not one of them asked me about any racist incident they might have heard or read about. It was never mentioned. And they would have, believe me.

Again, with the greatest respect my friend, it was the lead story on BBC news last night with our recent black and white "Kick it out" video featured and I have been deluged with texts asking me what happened on Saturday by work colleagues and people who know I'm Brentford. We don't have a problem, not saying isolated incidents or no racists among 8,000 regular supporters but any problem is minute compared to other clubs and I can count on one hand since the 80's when I've seen or heard it at GP whereas following England sadly it has been far more apparent and was common place until fairly recently. Our own supporters should be fiercely defending the good name and excellent reputation of the club as Kammy did on the TV yesterday not doubting if we have a bigger problem that we're ignoring.

 

[Banana]

Again, with the greatest respect my friend, it was the lead story on BBC news last night

The lead story on the BBC News last night was the Prime Minister defending talking to Labour over B****t. I just confirmed on iPlayer
No-one has asked me about the incident either.

You are deriding the club for supposedly making a mountain out of a molehill, whereas you are creating the entire Himalayan mountain range out of a golf divet.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

Again, with the greatest respect my friend, it was the lead story on BBC news last night with our recent black and white "Kick it out" video featured and I have been deluged with texts asking me what happened on Saturday by work colleagues and people who know I'm Brentford. We don't have a problem, not saying isolated incidents or no racists among 8,000 regular supporters but any problem is minute compared to other clubs and I can count on one hand since the 80's when I've seen or heard it at GP whereas following England sadly it has been far more apparent and was common place until fairly recently. Our own supporters should be fiercely defending the good name and excellent reputation of the club as Kammy did on the TV yesterday not doubting if we have a bigger problem that we're ignoring.

I don't hear racist comments amongst our fans either, and am very proud of this and the diversity of the crowd on a Saturday afternoon. I never miss an opportunity to mention this in conversation, and will be doing so whenever this issue comes up in the near future.

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

To be honest I despise the little scroat cos he behaved like a total scum bag during the game and when he was taken off. Your manager and most of your team were a disgrace and the dirtiest team we have played since we came to the championship 5 years ago. When the steward went to see if he was ok he told her to fukk off at least twice proving what an unpleasant, nasty little toe rag he is. He is a nasty little bloke and so are half your team and you should feel ashamed as you have a great club and great fans and you deserve better.

If one of our fans has racially abused anyone then I hope they get a life ban. However let’s see where the evidence takes us because there are dozens of people including two stewards who were amongst it all who swear there was no racist comments, in fact the only person who saw or heard it was the accuser, even your players standing with him seemed to have somehow missed it. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen but it does feel a bit weird doesn’t it. You seem to think the home fans are rallying around protecting a racist but you fail to grasp that several of these people are Asian, black or married with mixed race children.

agree

 

[The Pipe]

Working in the pub last night and all the customers ask how we are doing, the Sheffield and Cardiff fans regularly taking the mickey!!! Was asked about the game as they all knew I went and not one person mentioned racism.

Regarding our statement I see no issues with it as quite frankly it is how we operate. The comment about driving racism out of GP can be justified bearing in mind comments apparently aimed at Ashley Cole.

It is a real shame this has happened as it has spoiled what was a cracking game and I can only hope that eventually justice will be served whichever result is forthcoming

 

[jlove]

Working in the pub last night and all the customers ask how we are doing, the Sheffield and Cardiff fans regularly taking the mickey!!! Was asked about the game as they all knew I went and not one person mentioned racism.

Regarding our statement I see no issues with it as quite frankly it is how we operate. The comment about driving racism out of GP can be justified bearing in mind comments apparently aimed at Ashley Cole.

It is a real shame this has happened as it has spoiled what was a cracking game and I can only hope that eventually justice will be served whichever result is forthcoming

Similar here. I went to a pub in Southampton, 8 of us and a few more acquaintances in there, mostly Scumton, but they all know about me and Brentford. Asked about the new stadium progress, asked about game and that it must have been a bit of a thriller... nothing else.

 

[Ealing Bee]

Why have the club issued a statement saying "discrimination/racism is abhorrent and we are determined to drive it out of Griffin Park"
Makes it sound like it is an on going massive problem at the club.

Quite right.

Why not something like "Racism is abhorrent and we are determined that it will never be allowed to creep in at Griffin Park"?

That way you're saying two things: 1. There is not a problem with racism at GP; 2. If this guy did shout racist abuse, he will never be allowed back in ("if" being the operative word)

 

[rebus]

Quite right.

Why not something like "Racism is abhorrent and we are determined that it will never be allowed to creep in at Griffin Park"?

That way you're saying two things: 1. There is not a problem with racism at GP; 2. If this guy did shout racist abuse, he will never be allowed back in ("if" being the operative word)

More comms advice. Are you an expert on everything?

 

[Bizzy Bee]

Yeah, “ash, move back to there” when taking a throw was the clearest one. Maybe he called all the players by their first names.

And the ones he didn't know he booked so he had their names for next time!

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

Are you an expert on everything?

**** me that’s rich!