FT Brentford v Stoke 0-0

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Thought the shot from Said would ignite us but well... it didn't. Still feel we are still trying to find the right system and starting 11 and its pushing towards October now. We'll be fine but feels we've missed a trick now for top 6.
 

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Pathetic performance again. No service to the forward again. Midfield anonymous again. Formation totally ineffective again.

At least the defence was decent for the most part (I sacked it off on 85 minutes so didnt see the Raya save mentioned).
 

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Poor today.
Boring
I knew I'd still be pining for Woods and Sawyers but did not realise how much.
The central midfield pairing is looking like a Scandanavian McEachran and Tebar.
I think for many of our supporters patience diminishes when players are valued at several million.
All a bit Marinus today - at least I felt sorry for him.
And I am someone who thinks staying up is an achievement. And as long as we show a bit of fight that will satisfy me.
Am I alone in thinking the club and some of us (me very much included) are just a little too fond of everything we do.
 

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I described Stoke as a pub team in the first half, but we got worse as the game wore on and to say we were crap was an understatement.
Difficult to say who the pub team was in the end as both sides were as crap as each other.
3 goals in the last 5 games and no goals in 9 halves in those 5.
Crap day out on a beautiful day, but I have seen us a lot more crap than today.

Crap=my word of the day.
 
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If you keep doing the same things.....you will get the same results......You Reds...
 

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I thought Canos was poor today. Gave the ball away, ran with his head down and then threw his arms up when they didn't pass to him next move. He made 1 good pass that flashed across the goal. To be fair the rest of them weren't mauch better.
He was the only one getting balls into the box. I cant believe Frank took him off and left Benrahma on
 

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Crap performance. The 6 and 8 are basically the same player and too weak. They also move the ball too slowly. Benhrama tried a bit but looked like he had a few pints before the game. Mbeumo looked like he had never played football before. Our most dangerous player was Canos. We are at home against the bottom team in the league. And we play 3 CBs. Too negative. Today you could not tell the difference between the two sides.
Our front 3 were appalling & you can add both wing backs to that, no threat going forward, no shots from outside the box. all in all poor is an understatement.
 

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IMO the problem is our central mid pair. They are both talented players but there is no forward movement into pockets to receive and bring the ball forward and hence no penetration. Too much lateral.They don't get forward to pick up balls from the front players and they don't work effectively enough as a pair to defend the back three. So they just don't work. I would have subbed Norgaard for Da Silva who does push forward and is a goal threat.
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Agree but it is not just the midfield two but the CBs' seeming inability to find a decent forward pass or even threaten to carry the ball occasionally. Perhaps the forwards aren't making the runs or getting into space but we desperately need something/one to drive us forward. Da Silva has the ability to do it, but whether he can do so consistently is doubtful. Until we solve it though we are not going anywhere very fast in this league.
 

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So glad I decided to paint the landing and go down the pub for an early evening pint and burger on a beautiful late summer evening 😊
 

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So glad I decided to paint the landing and go down the pub for an early evening pint and burger on a beautiful late summer evening ��
All you did was watch paint dry in a different way from those at GP.
 

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Was a similar performance to last week. Think the team at the end is what needs to start.
 

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Talk Sport commentator described the game as absolute rubbish - just what you want to hear while sitting in a 5 mile tail back between Jct 15 to 14 on the M6 coming home from Aberdeen.
They were being kind. Very possibly the worst, and certainly most boring game I've seen us play in the Championship.
 

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The Clarke / Canos substitution should of happened 15 mins earlier then it did. The game was crying out for us to try something or someone different. But Thomas reached that conclusion far to late today. It might of had no difference on the result but saving the last sub until 3 mins from the end was pointless with the way that game was going.
 

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What happens with that gentleman is if we are ****ing toilet and draw/lose he'll post positively. If we are on a good run and concede a goal he'll lose his sh*t and post a lot of negative tripe.
That is nonsense. I call it as I see it. You should go to Specsavers. But thank you for describing me as a Gentleman.
 

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Of the playwers we lost in the summer we miss Sawyers the most. But Norgard is getting some stick he doesn;t deserve. He had a decent game today, put in a shift and won plenty of headers/tackles. But he's no creator and that's what's missing in the midfield. Our lack of penetration in the final third is making us, at the moment, a very dull watch. Ironic that it was nearly a sell out today.
 
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Too slow and ponderous, takes us so many passes to get to the attacking third so allows the opposition to be well set. Midfield is main problem IMO, both Norgaard and Jensen as a two just doesn't seem to work. 4-3-3 could be the answer as we have a good defence now. Raya superb at the end and generally looks a great addition
 

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Well this is a depressing read.

CHANGE THE FORMATION,
 

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Our defenders left big gaps in the second half and if we were playing a better team than Stoke our clean sheet would have been somewhat muckier. Keeper looking solid. But not much urgency or penetration further up the field. Frustratingly tepid display on a hot September day.
 

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That’s one of Franks lives used up. When I see a boss like Wilder, I see a tactician, a brilliant man to man manager who his players absolutely bust a gut for, a fantastic coach who can turn John Egan from a bit part player to a premier league rock and Irish Captain just by playing him to his strengths, defending.
But above all I would hate to cross him, he looks a proper nasty bastard who you would hate to disappoint.
I see none of this quality’s in our Thomas, I think he was the right appointment at the the right time, but it’s NOT working.
 

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IMO the problem is our central mid pair. They are both talented players but there is no forward movement into pockets to receive and bring the ball forward and hence no penetration. Too much lateral.They don't get forward to pick up balls from the front players and they don't work effectively enough as a pair to defend the back three. So they just don't work. I would have subbed Norgaard for Da Silva who does push forward and is a goal threat.
On the positive side we are better defensively and special word for Raya and that brilliant save in the dying minutes when it looked like we had thrown it away and l would have been feeling even more pi $$ed off.Our Greek mystery man looks lively too.
Tough one for Frank
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Please forward this post to Thomas Frank and tell him to read , understand and action !
 

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Thought Stoke were the best team to visit is this season. The Brentford innit in me thought Stoke would, considering their league position. Steal a winner.. i am actually happy with a point.
 

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We haven't quite gelled yet, but with so many new players, is it really a surprise?

A bit of time and patience is required.
 

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I thought the front three was the problem today, there was effort but they were all poor, with bad first touch and rubbish decision making. I don't think I've seen Said have such a bad performance and was surprised he wasn't pulled instead of Mbeumo.

Karelis looked a few weeks away from being match fit but had the movement you would expect from a striker and Watkins looked more comfortable when moved to the right wing.

Overall a very boring match not helped by a referee who took truly s**t to a whole new level
 

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If you can't win it, make sure you don't lose it. We managed that and with a clean sheet.
Not a great game, don't think I have ever been so hot watching a game of football. Hopefully the Greek lad will go from strength to strength and take the weight of expectation from Ollie, Said and Bryan.
 

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Let's be honest, that was a very poor performance against a very poor team. Entertainment value was very low, and for large parts of the game we had no idea going forward. After the no show at Preston starting to get a little concerned especially as we appeared to turn a corner against Derby which now seems a long time ago. Two things became clear to me after the final whistle, firstly if we continue to play like that we are not going to be anywhere the top 6, and Nathan Jones will be gone by the end of October. Thank god for Raya who saved us a point and was my Mom.
 
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With the high turnover of players this summer it was always going to take minimum 15 games or so for us to gel and they key was always to be there and thereabouts come January. Equally TF must get the formation right. 5 goals in 8 matches and 3 in one game (half) and us being the second lowest scorers in the league is where lies the issue.
 

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The biggest positive from today is still getting a point when we have played sh1te. Patches of play were we looked quite nice and slick but there is no cutting edge to our play and we are one dimensional in how we are trying to score (basically that drill we do just before kick off where we play the ball wide and then cut the ball back into the middle).

The problem is not a lack of a striker (and I thought Karelis looked ok when he came on) it's what is going on behind the front 3. Norgaard and Jensen are both decent players but don't offer enough in threatening areas, that might be a formation issue or it must just be the types of player they are. We are still in the 'gelling' stage but it's taken too long in my opinion.

Need to change the formation and try some different combinations in the midfield.
 

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I thought the front three was the problem today, there was effort but they were all poor, with bad first touch and rubbish decision making. I don't think I've seen Said have such a bad performance and was surprised he wasn't pulled instead of Mbeumo.

Karelis looked a few weeks away from being match fit but had the movement you would expect from a striker and Watkins looked more comfortable when moved to the right wing.

Overall a very boring match not helped by a referee who took truly s**t to a whole new level
Totally agree, Said was very poor today he could and should have been subbed at half time . A few of us were saying get young lad Zamburek he wants to get forward. I think it has to be said that the ball control of the front three and wing backs was poor
 

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Could be worse we could be Watford or Lincoln tonight
 

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The biggest positive from today is still getting a point when we have played sh1te. Patches of play were we looked quite nice and slick but there is no cutting edge to our play and we are one dimensional in how we are trying to score (basically that drill we do just before kick off where we play the ball wide and then cut the ball back into the middle).

The problem is not a lack of a striker (and I thought Karelis looked ok when he came on) it's what is going on behind the front 3. Norgaard and Jensen are both decent players but don't offer enough in threatening areas, that might be a formation issue or it must just be the types of player they are. We are still in the 'gelling' stage but it's taken too long in my opinion.

Need to change the formation and try some different combinations in the midfield.
Is Frank trying to crowbar Jensen and Norgaard in alongside each other regardless, even though they’re too similar?
 

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We haven't quite gelled yet, but with so many new players, is it really a surprise?

A bit of time and patience is required.
Whilst I accept, there is something to this point, I believe there are far more fundamental problems with where we are currently at. In recent seasons, we have tended to be notorious bad starters because of the time it takes to get the new players to gel. But, if we take the season when we didn't win any of our first 8 games, I always came away in hope as you could see the potential there as well as watching us still play some really entertaining football. This hope was not displaced as we've always finished in top half of Championship at end of season.

But so far this season, we have seen very little evidence of potential and entertaining play. I didn't come away from the last 2 games with any feeling of much positivity that it will get better without some fundamental changes. With the money spent on the new players, we could have expected them to have hit the ground running. Otherwise, why don't we stick with our tried and tested method of picking gems up from League 1 and 2 at much cheaper prices than what we've paid for this current crop of new players.

Whilst I'm not saying Norgaard, Jensen and Mbeumo are crap, I have yet to see much evidence from them that we will come away regularly from games eulogising over skills of players we've had in the past, such as Sawyers, Woods, Maupay, Jota, Pritchard and Judge. None of these players were outstanding at the start, but there was something in each of them where you could see some potential to take us to higher levels from an entertainment perspective.

I feel we still have enough ability to stay up, not least because we are better defensively, but for the first time, I'm afraid I can't see us finishing in the top half of the Championship, and possibly only 2 or 3 positions above the relegation spots.
 

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We simply MUST go back to a four at the back, pinnock and Janson, henry and dalsgard. So far this season its like playing 6 at the back with norgaard who imo is just macechran like and is not needed in that position with so many defenders. Need to play kamo, jensen and dasilva who would give us more drive going forward. The front 3 look no threat at all and with 5 goals in 8 games just says it all especially with 3 in one game. IMO it's a squad that looks destined to finish in the bottom 6 or 7. Today was just shockingly bad!!
 

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Hopefully, with the inclusion of Nikos, Frank has finally realised Olly isn’t a central striker. And there’s also the new bloke coming in January, but if we need to wait until then, on current form, playoffs will be long gone.
 

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Is Frank trying to crowbar Jensen and Norgaard in alongside each other regardless, even though they’re too similar?
In my opinion, yes. I think he needs to consider changing that pairing up or changing formation and getting an extra body in there. I think both Norgaard and Jensen are very good players but just don't quite work as a pairing.
 

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We simply MUST go back to a four at the back, pinnock and Janson, henry and dalsgard. So far this season its like playing 6 at the back with norgaard who imo is just macechran like and is not needed in that position with so many defenders. Need to play kamo, jensen and dasilva who would give us more drive going forward. The front 3 look no threat at all and with 5 goals in 8 games just says it all especially with 3 in one game. IMO it's a squad that looks destined to finish in the bottom 6 or 7. Today was just shockingly bad!!
Agree. Been massively disappointed with Norgaard.
 

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My daughter asked me if the ref came from the Stoke area, he was so biased against us.
 

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In my opinion, yes. I think he needs to consider changing that pairing up or changing formation and getting an extra body in there. I think both Norgaard and Jensen are very good players but just don't quite work as a pairing.
Agree, both good players but neither has the drive and are not ‘box to box’. I wasn’t there today, but I don’t think I’ve seen either of them picking the ball up in front of the defence and surveying the field ahead, then driving forward. Jensen isn’t the sort of player I expected after hearing about him at Celta and Njordesland. Blimey I’m grumpy tonight 😀
 

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I thought norsgaard was ok and Jensen was the weaker one. But agree too similar
 

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Love TF. Want him to succeed. Got a great bunch of players. Want them to succeed.
But. We are a long way off a team that will be challenging at the moment.
All inventiveness....at the moment...Just is not there.
It's hard to watch at the moment.
 

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