Fulhamification Part III

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Acoustics are quality.
Muff at home in play offs is still probably the best it's been.

North stand isnt a great atmosphere to be honest.

Everton, at one point the whole ground woke up for 5 minutes, and it was cracking, cheering the players on, caining the oppo, pressuring the ref. Then people just piped down again.

From north stand, dont hear south, and west is more a murmur, not the couldren of noise they think.
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Whereabouts in the North stand are you? I agree that the it can be hard work in the North, I often find I am one of the first around me to join in/start a chant and definitely the last one to keep going (I'll sing on my own, I'll sing on my own..etc). Although Everton was far from the worst - Arsenal and Liverpool have been the best, Brighton and Norwich the worst for North Stand atmosphere.

Also agree about giving at lease a brief pause at the end of the match before blasting out hey jude especially if we've won or held out for a draw in a tough match. Just let the roar at the final whistle sink in for a bit.
We are back row, north stand, next to premium, away end side.

Every game should be a party. Stadium should be bouncing.
 

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We are back row, north stand, next to premium, away end side.

Every game should be a party. Stadium should be bouncing.
Ok I am on the half way line - so a bit closer to the West Stand which do sound loud at most games but I barely hear the East Stand at all.

Yeah you are right every game should be bouncing, those of us likeminded will just have to keep doing our bit and hopefully convert more of those around us to make noise. Guess what I am saying is there are definitely people in the North Stand who want to make the stadium "hell on earth" for the away team and we have to not get frustrated and give up but try to foster that...
 

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I did think the light show was a bit out of place. Was a bit fun maybe once the initial surprise went, but just didn't feel right playing that after a very hard fought 1-0 win. Doing it pre-match to get the atmosphere going I could understand, but 10 seconds after the final whistle it just felt a bit forced. That's still the point where the fans should be generating the atmosphere, not the lighting guy.

Where I often am in North (roughly in line of the D of the West Stand penalty area) the atmosphere sometimes perks up there, but most people who do sing only join in with a chant for one line and stop there. Away fans you can't really hear at all from there, the sound just doesn't travel up the stand in that direction. West you can hear, but hard to say how much gets lost, I don't think loads.
 

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I thought the end of the game was fine. How many other clubs have fans that stay so long after a win. I love Wissa's on fire. It really got the crowd going and it was great to see the West Stand bouncing around. I can't stand Fulham with their clappers, foam hands and sponge cakes. This was very different to that. There was a huge sense of relief that we'd come away with 3 points. I really enjoyed it.
 

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I thought the end of the game was fine. How many other clubs have fans that stay so long after a win. I love Wissa's on fire. It really got the crowd going and it was great to see the West Stand bouncing around. I can't stand Fulham with their clappers, foam hands and sponge cakes. This was very different to that. There was a huge sense of relief that we'd come away with 3 points. I really enjoyed it.
I couldn't tell a euphoric relief as the tannoy drowned it all out as soon as the ref blew the whistle.
Maybe the club wasnt expecting anything so wanted to make up for it ?
 

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We are back row, north stand, next to premium, away end side.

Every game should be a party. Stadium should be bouncing.
Im in the North mate 126...................... The atmosphere in that end of the stand is decent.

The North isnt as quiet as some are making out. For reference it sounds great where we are and the South Stand sounds very quiet. 🤷‍♂️
 

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I dont think we need Hey Jude post match, it drowns out some of the songs that normally follow a home win like 'super Brentford' and some of the player chants as they walk round.

Pre kick off it has worked a treat and is much louder than we used to sing Hey Jude.
I disagree, west stand here, absolutely adore hey Jude full time when we win, it gets me more emotional then before kick off I’ll be honest, but each to their own
 

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The light show doesn't bother me. Before the game its decent but after the game i will admit it feels a bit forced and not needed. Same with all the middle aged blokes bouncing around to Wissa/Grigg/insert any names on fire. ;)
 

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Im in the North mate 126...................... The atmosphere in that end of the stand is decent.

The North isnt as quiet as some are making out. For reference it sounds great where we are and the South Stand sounds very quiet. 🤷‍♂️
We are 122.
Its quiet.
 

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I couldn't tell a euphoric relief as the tannoy drowned it all out as soon as the ref blew the whistle.
Maybe the club wasnt expecting anything so wanted to make up for it ?
We'll have to agree to disagree Herbert. I'm in North 125 and I thought the end of the game struck the right note (perhaps the light show is better pre match tbf).

I'm also a middle aged man who bounces around to Wissa's on fire. Apologies to all those offended/embarrassed :bounce: :D
 

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They did. Hey Jude, Wissas on fire, Celebration. Everyone happy.
I like to hear the da da da duh bit as soon as the final whistle goes.

Hey jude at the end isnt right. Its great before the game but overkill after.

Wissas on fire was fun as a novelty but ott every time we win. Which is obviously going to be every game.
 

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I like to hear the da da da duh bit as soon as the final whistle goes.

Hey jude at the end isnt right. Its great before the game but overkill after.

Wissas on fire was fun as a novelty but ott every time we win. Which is obviously going to be every game.
This is first time after a win!
 

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From our seats in the South Stand the acoustics are great from all parts of the ground. The West stand in particular booms out very large and so does the away end (f they get started). It was a decent atmosphere on Sunday but with such a tight nervous second half it was always going to be a bit patchy sound wise. As for the light show I thought it added something as well as the choice of music. If we ever get to the point that we are getting bored with it because we are winning at home so often I will also be very happy....
 

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Im in 122 and excluding the hording bashers ar the back im probably the loudest.
 

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We’re in N123. A lot of the people around us are pretty quiet, apart from Hey Jude pre-kickoff. The tin kickers at the back to our left are pretty good though.
The away support comes through loud and clear, as does the West Stand. Never really hear much from the South or East though. I guess that’s down to acoustics.
 

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Who’s moaning at the final whistle of another top flight win? I’d rather see fans celebrating spontaneously, singing and cheering, rather than middle aged blokes dad dancing to an old pop song, perhaps I’m a purist. We’ve a great ground for creating a load of noise, let’s not short change ourselves with cheap American style gimmicks.
Aren't middle age dad dancing the same as celebrating spontaneously?
I also don't think it equates to being American style gimmicks, it's what a large portion of our crowd enjoy (possibly not us GPG dinosaurs)
 

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I think that as well, a lot of the day-trippers and people who are coming for a day out seem to love the gimmicky side of things. But they don't know what it's normally like so for them it's all good.

I think there'a a balance, I don't think we're quite there but we're not far off. Just tweak the timings of things (and a light show immediately at full time maybe don't do. Makes us look like we're overreacting to it a bit).
 

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Aren't middle age dad dancing the same as celebrating spontaneously?
I also don't think it equates to being American style gimmicks, it's what a large portion of our crowd enjoy (possibly not us GPG dinosaurs)

Dancing along to a particular song at a particular time is the opposite of spontaneous.

If you had posted on the GPG 5/10 years ago that the LR match day atmosphere would be pre orchestrated singing coordinated by the club, light shows and post match dance alongs then people would’ve said we’ve lost our soul etc etc and there would have been uproar. Are we saying that’s all ok now and were turning a blind eye to how similar to Fulham/Reading/Leicester that all is? Are we not worried with how plastic/bland/sanitised it might get?

Believe it or not it’s not about being the fun police. It’s been great seeing so many people enjoying Brentford games. It’s just concerning (for some, others won’t care at all) that we’re still in single figures of games at our new ground (with fans) and the club are actively dictating what atmosphere looks like. A fan led atmosphere can create memories that last a lifetime, leaving your with the hairs on the back of your neck standing on end, a light show and a ‘organised fun’ post match dance isn’t ever going to deliver that.
 

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Dancing along to a particular song at a particular time is the opposite of spontaneous.

If you had posted on the GPG 5/10 years ago that the LR match day atmosphere would be pre orchestrated singing coordinated by the club, light shows and post match dance alongs then people would’ve said we’ve lost our soul etc etc and there would have been uproar. Are we saying that’s all ok now and were turning a blind eye to how similar to Fulham/Reading/Leicester that all is? Are we not worried with how plastic/bland/sanitised it might get?

Believe it or not it’s not about being the fun police. It’s been great seeing so many people enjoying Brentford games. It’s just concerning (for some, others won’t care at all) that we’re still in single figures of games at our new ground (with fans) and the club are actively dictating what atmosphere looks like. A fan led atmosphere can create memories that last a lifetime, leaving your with the hairs on the back of your neck standing on end, a light show and a ‘organised fun’ post match dance isn’t ever going to deliver that.
I've done 50+ years of following the Bees home and away, so I understand you're viewpoint, but we need to move on and hand the game to the 21st century supporters. However much we want to, life doesn't stand still so we adapt or get left behind.
 

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If you had posted on the GPG 5/10 years ago that the LR match day atmosphere would be pre orchestrated singing coordinated by the club, light shows and post match dance alongs then people would’ve said we’ve lost our soul etc etc and there would have been uproar.
If you had posted on the GPG 5/10 years ago that fans would have be complaining about the music being played after a Premier League victory over Everton in a brand new stadium.... [you can add the rest yourself ;) ]
... and the club are actively dictating what atmosphere looks like.
The club aren't "actively dictating" anything. Anyone who doesn't like the post-match* arrangements may just leave. Just as those who didn't like Kool and the Gang could hurry out of GP.


* - I say "post-match" because the pre-match stuff seems to be well-received, while the h-t arrangments are largely unchanged eg Sir Peter of Gilham on the mic and Mr. Benham picking a song etc
 

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I've done 50+ years of following the Bees home and away, so I understand you're viewpoint, but we need to move on and hand the game to the 21st century supporters. However much we want to, life doesn't stand still so we adapt or get left behind.
I fully agree with Brentford 4 Life's sentiment, but you also have a point in that we are Premier League now, and that means we attract a more diverse range of fans now. So I'm torn.

As far as I'm concerned, light shows, over-bearing music blaring out from hi-tech speakers, orchestrated renditions of Hey Jude before AND after the game, are not for me, but it really doesn't bother me too much.
I love nothing more than spontaneity, and the feeling of mass hysteria.
Can you imagine getting spanked 6-0 at home, only for Freed From Desire to go blaring out? No thanks.
Spontaneity is far more appropriate and orchestrated stuff is for "customers".

However, there's no getting away from it. We had 6500 season ticket holders at Griffin Park, and it wasn't that long ago when a crowd of 6000 at GP was pretty impressive. So we have newer and younger fans now, and I can tell you that I know plenty of kids who absolutely love the orchestrated sing a longs, and so on. And we want them to return, right? Make a spectacle of it, and so on.

The question is, who drives all of these initiatives now? What drives their decisions? 3 to 4000 of the older fans who are largely in their 40's to 60's? Or 3 to 4000 of the younger fans who are not yet in their teens? The working class die-hard fan who's been to Griffin Park for decades, or the middle class newer fan who thinks we're a bit hipster and will definitely come to watch us now we're in the Premier League? I don't care whether you're working class, middle class, old, young, or whatever. Just love the club, support them till you die, and I'm happy. But that's just me. The club has to base decisions on maximising revenue, and it makes sense to accommodate as many newer fans, create the Premier League experience, and so on. Most of the rest of us will put up with it and go no matter what. But there is a demand for light shows, orchestrated sing a longs, and crap like that, whether I like it or not.
But if we're not in the Premier League, then all of this counts for nothing unless these targeted fans keep coming back and sticking by the club no matter what. If these targeted fans decide to bugger off to watch Fulham should we get relegated, then frankly it'll turn the club toxic with resentment from the older fans who do stick by the club no matter what.

I don't envy whoever has to make these decisions, because there's arguments on both sides. But the key, to me, is ensuring that these fans never ever turn their back on Brentford FC. Otherwise, the club is too obviously pandering to customers and ignoring the faithful.
 

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No, I can't imagine it. Getting spanked 6-0 at home, that is. ;)

(All the rest was very thoughtful, btw :sorted:)
I never ever imagined losing to Kingstonian...(I think someone respectfully forgot to press play on GP stereo at the time to prevent Celebration from being played as we were ambling out)
 

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A spontaneous fan led atmosphere sounds brilliant. A choreographed singalong of Hey Jude/Free from Desire/Celebration with a light show and players parading the ground sounds artificial. In theory.

In practice, the vast majority of games at GP had most fans taking their places 5-10 minutes before kick off and chatting to their pals, with the only pre-match singing usually coming from the away end if playing a team with a decent following. After games Celebration would play as people shuffled out, or nothing much more than the usual muttering about how on earth we managed to let Brum win that with their only shot. The games with electric atmosphere spontaneously being generated are memorable because they were so relatively rare. It must have been brilliant after the last 5-0 v Sheff W. But mostly not super exciting- and that’s no criticism. It’s also why I can’t moan about N and S stands not singing flat out for 90 mins- New and Braemar Roads didn’t either apart from a smattering of memorable games over the years. Nobody would ever have heard of Push Up Brentford guy if they did.

And in practice, the BCS singalongs have had all four stands rocking. That’s no less authentic fan behaviour for being a new thing. Why not start some new traditions? There were probably some older fans who got annoyed by Hey Jude when first played in 1973 when it was a new thing for us rather than a tradition even if none will admit it now.

No need to beat ourselves or the club up over it. If an innovation is largely thought a bit cringe it can be stopped or changed. Or carried on until years later it is fondly remembered despite being cringe at the time (cf the Babettes and “Who Wants to Win Fifty Quid?”).
 

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A spontaneous fan led atmosphere sounds brilliant. A choreographed singalong of Hey Jude/Free from Desire/Celebration with a light show and players parading the ground sounds artificial. In theory.

In practice, the vast majority of games at GP had most fans taking their places 5-10 minutes before kick off and chatting to their pals, with the only pre-match singing usually coming from the away end if playing a team with a decent following. After games Celebration would play as people shuffled out, or nothing much more than the usual muttering about how on earth we managed to let Brum win that with their only shot. The games with electric atmosphere spontaneously being generated are memorable because they were so relatively rare. It must have been brilliant after the last 5-0 v Sheff W. But mostly not super exciting- and that’s no criticism. It’s also why I can’t moan about N and S stands not singing flat out for 90 mins- New and Braemar Roads didn’t either apart from a smattering of memorable games over the years. Nobody would ever have heard of Push Up Brentford guy if they did.

And in practice, the BCS singalongs have had all four stands rocking. That’s no less authentic fan behaviour for being a new thing. Why not start some new traditions? There were probably some older fans who got annoyed by Hey Jude when first played in 1973 when it was a new thing for us rather than a tradition even if none will admit it now.

No need to beat ourselves or the club up over it. If an innovation is largely thought a bit cringe it can be stopped or changed. Or carried on until years later it is fondly remembered despite being cringe at the time (cf the Babettes and “Who Wants to Win Fifty Quid?”).
I actually don't care enough to want to beat anyone up about it, and in all honesty, the pre-match Hey Jude is fine. It doesn't half go on a bit, and I just can't keep it up for as long as I used to.

I do cringe massively at the post-match stuff, especially if we've lost.

The rest of my points still stand though. It's marketing, essentially, and someone has made the decision to do these things for a reason.
 

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I actually don't care enough to want to beat anyone up about it, and in all honesty, the pre-match Hey Jude is fine. It doesn't half go on a bit, and I just can't keep it up for as long as I used to.

I do cringe massively at the post-match stuff, especially if we've lost.

The rest of my points still stand though. It's marketing, essentially, and someone has made the decision to do these things for a reason.
we havent played any of the happy stuff when we have lost have we ?
 

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Another innovation since GP is the giant screens. Looking out for "Old fella who cried at Arsenal" or young Woody high fiving Thomas after the game is already a modern tradition! :sorted:
 

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I actually don't care enough to want to beat anyone up about it, and in all honesty, the pre-match Hey Jude is fine. It doesn't half go on a bit, and I just can't keep it up for as long as I used to.

I do cringe massively at the post-match stuff, especially if we've lost.

The rest of my points still stand though. It's marketing, essentially, and someone has made the decision to do these things for a reason.
Re first para, old age. Oversharing? Maybe see a doctor!

The light shows and post match music aren’t for me either really but something like the entire capacity of GP seem to enjoy it enough to join in, maybe even a good chunk of the old regulars. Maybe my joke of playing “The End” and turning out the lights after a defeat would be less cringe in its bathos.

Marketing is just the modern world of the last 50 years. We’ve been immune to it for a long time at BFC because what would have been the point while perennially plodding in L1 in front of the same 6000 and not really having much to market to anyone who didn’t like that already?
 

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we havent played any of the happy stuff when we have lost have we ?
They definitely played Hey Jude after the Chelsea defeat.

Personally, I think it's a bit much to do Hey Jude before AND after the game.

Before is great, gets everyone singing along, but to do it immediately on the final whistle just feels a bit like we're overdosing on it.
 

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I'm more bothered about the lounge names.
Brentford is full of history and we call the lounges The Orchard and The Railway.
A proper lazy effort.

Did the club once play their home matches on the site of an old orchard? Or am I making it up/misremembering?
 

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we havent played any of the happy stuff when we have lost have we ?
No, we haven't.
FFD got played after the amazing Liverpool game and the "spontaneity" and good fun it caused has led them to think "maybe after a win, we can help with the party atmosphere". And that's great! Maybe changing it every now and then, or having 3-5 songs we could use instead could help.
To be honest, I can't even remember the music after the Arsenal win (was there any? No light show either iirc)

The West Stand bouncing to FFD after a draw will live long in the memory.
As said by others, Celebration was just a backdrop to leaving the stadium.
 
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