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Has anybody seen Charlie Kirk play for Crewe, he is 22 plays on the LW and was picked in the 19/20 PFA League 2 Team of the year. He is 6ft 1, he scored 9 league and cup goals from 44 games and provided more assists than any other League 2 player.
Er, yes.
I’ve banged on about Charlie Kirk for about 3 years now! He’ll be too old to fit the model soon.....
 

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Er, yes.
I’ve banged on about Charlie Kirk for about 3 years now! He’ll be too old to fit the model soon.....
And yet he is still plying his trade after all this time with Crewe...perhaps Brentford aren’t the only ones that can’t see it?
 

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And yet he is still plying his trade after all this time with Crewe...perhaps Brentford aren’t the only ones that can’t see it?
That wasn’t the question I was answering though. I still think he would’ve done well with us, earlier. We’ve probably moved on past Crewe’s Captain now....(Cue pics at Kew I.d.c.)
 

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I realise we are no longer a borrowing club however needs be once in a while. How about Neilson and/or Willock from The Arse?. Both have first team experience and undoubted quality - but neither can (so far) get a sniff at The Premiership. Neilson is a fast wide-man with a hell of a shot. Willock is a clever modern number 10.

The club may not see the "needs must" the same way you do. Maybe they have faith in the 3-4 players they spent good money on and aren't repared to bin them off after a few bad games and bring in a load of unknown quantity loans to replace them. They are a work in progress and the BFC DoF and the coaches track record probably deserves a bit more respect from inpatient and spoiled fans.(just sayin!)
 

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I realise we are no longer a borrowing club however needs be once in a while. How about Neilson and/or Willock from The Arse?. Both have first team experience and undoubted quality - but neither can (so far) get a sniff at The Premiership. Neilson is a fast wide-man with a hell of a shot. Willock is a clever modern number 10.
Isn't Ghoddos technically a borrowed player...
 

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The club may not see the "needs must" the same way you do. Maybe they have faith in the 3-4 players they spent good money on and aren't repared to bin them off after a few bad games and bring in a load of unknown quantity loans to replace them. They are a work in progress and the BFC DoF and the coaches track record probably deserves a bit more respect from inpatient and spoiled fans.(just sayin!)
I agree with your last sentence, the DoF’s follow up scouting reports and negotiate the contracts . We have a 2/3 that could be counted as failures but there have been a lot more success
 

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That wasn’t the question I was answering though. I still think he would’ve done well with us, earlier. We’ve probably moved on past Crewe’s Captain now....(Cue pics at Kew I.d.c.)
Relax, I was fishing a little. Truth is, I’m not sure what the answer is to our slow start this season. Clearly the current formation isn’t getting the best out of the current squad available while 442 isn’t the answer either. Hoping the return of Norgaard will make a difference.
 

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I realise we are no longer a borrowing club however needs be once in a while. How about Neilson and/or Willock from The Arse?. Both have first team experience and undoubted quality - but neither can (so far) get a sniff at The Premiership. Neilson is a fast wide-man with a hell of a shot. Willock is a clever modern number 10.
Didn't they both appear for Arsenal yesterday?
 

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I have mentioned another thread but I’m quite surprised we have found ourselves in the situation we have with the wide players.

We have a great team but seem to just be missing that bit going forward. If Ghoddos isn’t a wide player then why didn’t we replace Said? We now have to rely on Fosu (which I heard he had a good game tonight and is great to hear) or Canos. I know we also have a few injuries Baptiste, Norgaard, Roselev, but given the amount of games, Saturday-Tuesday, we haven’t got a big squad, if we weren’t going to sign cover why let the likes of Valencia and Zamburek go out on loan? Surely they would get some game time this season?
 

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I have mentioned another thread but I’m quite surprised we have found ourselves in the situation we have with the wide players.

We have a great team but seem to just be missing that bit going forward. If Ghoddos isn’t a wide player then why didn’t we replace Said? We now have to rely on Fosu (which I heard he had a good game tonight and is great to hear) or Canos. I know we also have a few injuries Baptiste, Norgaard, Roselev, but given the amount of games, Saturday-Tuesday, we haven’t got a big squad, if we weren’t going to sign cover why let the likes of Valencia and Zamburek go out on loan? Surely they would get some game time this season?
Zamburek's not a winger though and I honestly don't think Valencia would offer much more than Canos/Fosu. Clearly Ghoddos isn't the replacement for Benhrama or at least he isn't yet so it is a bit of a surprise we didn't bring anyone in. Not like we didn't try though as we obviously offered for Robin Hack and a couple of others. Maybe we felt Canos would get back to his previous best? Almost impossible to replace someone like Benhrama though..
 

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I have mentioned another thread but I’m quite surprised we have found ourselves in the situation we have with the wide players.

We have a great team but seem to just be missing that bit going forward. If Ghoddos isn’t a wide player then why didn’t we replace Said? We now have to rely on Fosu (which I heard he had a good game tonight and is great to hear) or Canos. I know we also have a few injuries Baptiste, Norgaard, Roselev, but given the amount of games, Saturday-Tuesday, we haven’t got a big squad, if we weren’t going to sign cover why let the likes of Valencia and Zamburek go out on loan? Surely they would get some game time this season?
Zamburek has gone on loan for his personal development, development that he would not get currently at Brentford for the simple reason that he is not quite there yet. The plan is that when he returns he will be a genuine first team player, and that transformation will not happen getting the odd 20 minutes playing time. He would add nothing now to the current first team. Valencia, in my opinion has been unable to reach the standard required, and has been sent on loan in an environment where he is comfortable in the hope that we will be able to sell him in the next Summer Transfer window maybe even for a profit. I concur with the previous post that Valencia would add nothing of value to the present team.
 

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Zamburek has gone on loan for his personal development, development that he would not get currently at Brentford for the simple reason that he is not quite there yet. The plan is that when he returns he will be a genuine first team player, and that transformation will not happen getting the odd 20 minutes playing time. He would add nothing now to the current first team. Valencia, in my opinion has been unable to reach the standard required, and has been sent on loan in an environment where he is comfortable in the hope that we will be able to sell him in the next Summer Transfer window maybe even for a profit. I concur with the previous post that Valencia would add nothing of value to the present team.
Although I agree this may be the case but does Canos? And if not then we have one other choice and that’s Fosu, is he much better than Valencia? He may have had a good game here and there but I’m sure we can all agree he’s not at a top championship side level. He wouldn’t get into many teams in the championship. Oxford weren’t too bothered about him leaving. Which takes me back to why haven’t we replaced Said, maybe not like for like, as others have said that would be difficult, but with someone is at a level with the rest of our current team.
 

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Although I agree this may be the case but does Canos? And if not then we have one other choice and that’s Fosu, is he much better than Valencia? He may have had a good game here and there but I’m sure we can all agree he’s not at a top championship side level. He wouldn’t get into many teams in the championship. Oxford weren’t too bothered about him leaving. Which takes me back to why haven’t we replaced Said, maybe not like for like, as others have said that would be difficult, but with someone is at a level with the rest of our current team.
oxford were gutted to lose him and baptiste iirc
 

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Although I agree this may be the case but does Canos? And if not then we have one other choice and that’s Fosu, is he much better than Valencia? He may have had a good game here and there but I’m sure we can all agree he’s not at a top championship side level. He wouldn’t get into many teams in the championship. Oxford weren’t too bothered about him leaving. Which takes me back to why haven’t we replaced Said, maybe not like for like, as others have said that would be difficult, but with someone is at a level with the rest of our current team.
One of the attractions of football is the complete uncertainty that permeates all parts of the game. I did not expect Canos to be playing as badly has he has been at this stage of the season, and I have no doubt that neither Thomas Frank, or the DfO's did either. On top of this Mbeumo has not got anywhere near his form this time last year so clearly this unexpected collapse of form by both our wide men has thrown all plans, and expectations to the wind. So to use your words the "position we have found ourselves in" was not the result of design or indeed by neglect, but by unexpected events. As supporters, not necessarily you, we should not be critical, but should be watching to see how Thomas Frank handles the situation, and more importantly how the players concerned react. If both these players were playing as we all though they would be there would not be a problem, and Fosu would have taken his place as a reserve. As to the replacement of Said, as we usually replace in advance, and as SB was expected to leave in the summer of 2019 I think you will find that his replacement was Mbeumo, but that said, it did look very much as the club did make a serious attempt to sign Robin Hack during the summer which if successful would have completed a full set of four wide first team attackers. Keep the faith!
 

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I wonder if in January we may go against our policy and actually get a couple of players on loans. I appreciate Fosu did well last night but the left of the front three is an area we really do need to improve if we are anywhere near the top 2 or top 6 come Jan. It was evident last night the TF made quite a few references to our offensive play and how we still need to do better.
 

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oxford were gutted to lose him and baptiste iirc
I didn’t realise, from what I read on here, friends of friends from Oxford fans that he was hit and miss in league one. However I do trust the DOFs, I just don’t think they signed him to be one of the first choice wingers, maybe the potential......
 

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One of the attractions of football is the complete uncertainty that permeates all parts of the game. I did not expect Canos to be playing as badly has he has been at this stage of the season, and I have no doubt that neither Thomas Frank, or the DfO's did either. On top of this Mbeumo has not got anywhere near his form this time last year so clearly this unexpected collapse of form by both our wide men has thrown all plans, and expectations to the wind. So to use your words the "position we have found ourselves in" was not the result of design or indeed by neglect, but by unexpected events. As supporters, not necessarily you, we should not be critical, but should be watching to see how Thomas Frank handles the situation, and more importantly how the players concerned react. If both these players were playing as we all though they would be there would not be a problem, and Fosu would have taken his place as a reserve. As to the replacement of Said, as we usually replace in advance, and as SB was expected to leave in the summer of 2019 I think you will find that his replacement was Mbeumo, but that said, it did look very much as the club did make a serious attempt to sign Robin Hack during the summer which if successful would have completed a full set of four wide first team attackers. Keep the faith!
As supports we are entitled to our opinion. I’m not criticising, we all know the amazing work they have done. But on this particular area I think we have should have strengthened and I think you would agree? I agree that no one expected the form of Canos, but if someone said to you last season we will sell Said and Canos will be his replacement, you would be disappointed, no? Mbeumo is a lot younger and although isn’t at the level we have seen him but he’s still contributing. As Toney has shown, create chances he will score. IMO we are that wide creative player short.
 

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As supports we are entitled to our opinion. I’m not criticising, we all know the amazing work they have done. But on this particular area I think we have should have strengthened and I think you would agree? I agree that no one expected the form of Canos, but if someone said to you last season we will sell Said and Canos will be his replacement, you would be disappointed, no? Mbeumo is a lot younger and although isn’t at the level we have seen him but he’s still contributing. As Toney has shown, create chances he will score. IMO we are that wide creative player short.
Should we return in the next window, and manage to sign Robin Hack or someone similar the circle will be squared, and maybe the problem will be solved, maybe!
 

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I didn’t realise, from what I read on here, friends of friends from Oxford fans that he was hit and miss in league one. However I do trust the DOFs, I just don’t think they signed him to be one of the first choice wingers, maybe the potential......
fans always say that when a player leaves . Been guilty of it myself :LOL:
 

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I didn’t realise, from what I read on here, friends of friends from Oxford fans that he was hit and miss in league one. However I do trust the DOFs, I just don’t think they signed him to be one of the first choice wingers, maybe the potential......
Orient fans said much the same, as did a football scout friend of mine who watched him quite a few times, but a lot of
wingers seem to be like that.
 

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Orient fans said much the same, as did a football scout friend of mine who watched him quite a few times, but a lot of
wingers seem to be like that.
Never played for orient.

Charlton, yes.
 

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It looks like things are slowly coming together but we could definitely do with more of a threat on the left wing. Given the comments though at the end of the window about the size of the squad I'd imagine we'd need someone to move on before anyone came in..?
 

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They accepted 3 million from Bruges at beginning of season and player turned move down. I think his stock has risen since so prob out of our rang I’m afraid
 

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Far more than we'd be prepared to pay.
Not when he’s out of contract and can find his own Club soon. Just compensation to pay then.
 

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Shame the deal never went through last season for him!!

Canos or Bright Osayi-Samuel???!! I know who I’d have chosen!
 

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Hes good but like the game at their place i think he offered little bar that assist. His pace is an outlet but i have yet to see him dominate a game. May be because Rico has done a job every time.
 

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interesting to see that Bright Osayi-Samuel 'liked' both Rico and Ivan's tweet after the match last night
 

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His contract runs out next summer so they will have to accept a low offer, unless they keep him and he goes on a free.
 

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Maybe, but if you could find any right winger who can get past Rico... then that would be a great signing :)
 

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Given he’s almost out of contract I don’t think Osayi-Samuel would be out of our price range unless he was looking for silly money wages (and we’re much more able to compete on that front than ever before). The bigger issue would be whether he fills a need in the squad. Mbeumo might be struggling somewhat to recapture the heights of last season but is getting towards it. You can see that a goal or two for him will probably relax him into form and he’s a huge prospect, a player who ought to be capable of playing well at the highest levels, including making the team for the reigning World Cup holders, possibly even in time for their defence of their title. So on the right, BOS would only be competition for him. Can he play as well on the left? On last night’s evidence, not particularly better than anyone we’ve got. With his pace you’d have thought he’d have made hay against us playing without a RB or indeed any recognised right sided defensive player ahead of Pontus. Indeed that must have been Warburton’s thinking in switching him over.

Buying him as back up to Bryan would be a statement of intent and would screw QPR’s chances for the season. But I would expect he’d want to move either up or to a better Championship team (like us) where he’ll be a regular starter (not like us).
 

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Given he’s almost out of contract I don’t think Osayi-Samuel would be out of our price range unless he was looking for silly money wages (and we’re much more able to compete on that front than ever before). The bigger issue would be whether he fills a need in the squad. Mbeumo might be struggling somewhat to recapture the heights of last season but is getting towards it. You can see that a goal or two for him will probably relax him into form and he’s a huge prospect, a player who ought to be capable of playing well at the highest levels, including making the team for the reigning World Cup holders, possibly even in time for their defence of their title. So on the right, BOS would only be competition for him. Can he play as well on the left? On last night’s evidence, not particularly better than anyone we’ve got. With his pace you’d have thought he’d have made hay against us playing without a RB or indeed any recognised right sided defensive player ahead of Pontus. Indeed that must have been Warburton’s thinking in switching him over.

Buying him as back up to Bryan would be a statement of intent and would screw QPR’s chances for the season. But I would expect he’d want to move either up or to a better Championship team (like us) where he’ll be a regular starter (not like us).
Move bryan to left Samuel then to play on the right
 

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Bannan and Bright Osayi Samuel from RaRas in January please
Can't disagree with that.

A chance of Bannan, but next to no chance of Samuel, with them probably wanting a fee that we won't be going anywhere near.
 

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Can't disagree with that.

A chance of Bannan, but next to no chance of Samuel, with them probably wanting a fee that we won't be going anywhere near.
He's out of contract at the end of the season. They wont get anything for him unless they cash in next window. They have offered him a new contact however and he might just sign that.
 

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BSO is quick but has a poor goal scoring record of about 5 a season or 1 goal every 10 games or so. Not sure he is what we want.
 

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BSO is quick but has a poor goal scoring record of about 5 a season or 1 goal every 10 games or so. Not sure he is what we want.
If he can put balls in the box like he did on Friday night Toney will get even more goals, but having said that did he do much else?
 

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QPR must cash in on BOS in January and the player himself wants to move on, so I'm not sure we'd want to get into a bidding war. I'm also not convinced that speed and crossing (I didn't notice him doing anything else), is what we're pay money for, given our style of play. He'll be 23 so, if that's what we wanted, there'll be others out there younger and cheaper.

At the other extreme but similarly, Bannon, who'll be 31, seems to me seems a preposterous rumour. Yes, he can make cross-field passes but what would we do with him? Who would he usurp in the current squad? I think there's more chance of him sitting on a toadstool with a fishing rod than us signing him.
 

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QPR must cash in on BOS in January and the player himself wants to move on, so I'm not sure we'd want to get into a bidding war. I'm also not convinced that speed and crossing (I didn't notice him doing anything else), is what we're pay money for, given our style of play. He'll be 23 so, if that's what we wanted, there'll be others out there younger and cheaper.

At the other extreme but similarly, Bannon, who'll be 31, seems to me seems a preposterous rumour. Yes, he can make cross-field passes but what would we do with him? Who would he usurp in the current squad? I think there's more chance of him sitting on a toadstool with a fishing rod than us signing him.
Bannan is class but can’t imagine we’d go back in for him now we have Janelt.
 

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The way we bring on players, I reckon that we could turn Samuel into
something special. Listen to what Ivan said about us.
 

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