General Transfer Rumours (Summer 2021)

Mr Cynical

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Maybe someone could enlighten me as to why both of these players haven’t exactly set the world alight since leaving. Hogan pretty much failed at Aston Villa, and the Watford fans can’t stand the sight of Andre Gray.
plenty of players have struggled to make the same impact after leaving us. Hogan was a classic Bruce purchase. Bought on a whim with no idea of how he’d fit into the team. We recruit (generally) for specific roles in the team and tend to work on how the player will fit into our system rather than the other way round. Woods is a classic example..
 

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Yes and no. I think he’d have carried on scoring for us that season if he’d had the patience to wait to move in the summer but it probably wouldn’t have been enough for us to make top 6 as we managed to set up differently and well with Jota’s return. Would scoring 20+ have made up for the January sale price premium? We’ll never know. I think he might at Brum have found his true long run scoring level, about one in three. Decent enough but not outstanding.
Interesting but as you say we will never know. Hogan was very one dimensional, added nothing else to the team like Watkins and Toney, shows how much we have moved on.
 

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I guess there's no transfer rumours, then...
 

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plenty of players have struggled to make the same impact after leaving us. Hogan was a classic Bruce purchase. Bought on a whim with no idea of how he’d fit into the team. We recruit (generally) for specific roles in the team and tend to work on how the player will fit into our system rather than the other way round. Woods is a classic example..
Yes, Hogan scored plenty for us by being fed through balls at the right moment, so I take your point about fitting into a team’s style. As for Gray, I have a Watford supporting pal who reckons that Gray has always been rubbish for Watford. A pity really, cos I thought he was good when he played for us.
 

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Looks like he is strong has a good touch and quite quick, although a big jump in standard, however I would think he is a better prospect than
Hercules.
He may well be, but some 5 years older. He is 24 in July a little to old now to make a very big jump. Looked useful, and a good goal scoring record over past two years.
 

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plenty of players have struggled to make the same impact after leaving us. Hogan was a classic Bruce purchase. Bought on a whim with no idea of how he’d fit into the team. We recruit (generally) for specific roles in the team and tend to work on how the player will fit into our system rather than the other way round. Woods is a classic example..
Steve Bruce also bought DJ Campbell from us didn’t he? I think he was manager of Birmingham at that time. I hope he hasn’t got eyes for Toney. It’s cold up there.
 

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He may well be, but some 5 years older. He is 24 in July a little to old now to make a very big jump. Looked useful, and a good goal scoring record over past two years.
Players have made that jump at a later age, I think Ian Wright was similar when he was signed by Crystal Palace, and I am sure there are
others.
 

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Depends what he would cost. His age would increase the risk of his not making the jump and would lessen his re-sale value but for the right price these would be risks we could accommodate
 

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Players have made that jump at a later age, I think Ian Wright was similar when he was signed by Crystal Palace, and I am sure there are
others.
Being pedantic Ian Wright was 21years 10months when he signed for Steve Copples Crystal Palace in August 1986. I will stick by my original view which is, even though he is a useful player Conference to the top of the Championship is a very, very large step up for a 24 year old.
 

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If we don't go up, I suspect quite a number B teamers will graduate due to expect 6+ first team players leaving
 

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I think there’s a strong possibility we could lose him even if we do go up.

If we don’t then the chances of him being here next season are zero.
I agree. The DOF's are completely aware of this and will have replacements in their sights. If we can 30+m for Toney we will have done well.
 

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There is zero chance of Ivan being with us next season if we don't go up. Quite apart from his own natural ambition it would also be the right time for the club to cash in as his market value will never be higher than it is now. Even if we do go up we still may not be able to hold on to him. £30m is a lot of money, even to a newly promoted Premier League side.
Good post. spot on, he has reached peak value for us.
 

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To be fair to Andre Gray he had quite a bit of success at Burnley, and quite good at Watford in his early days, fans have
short memories.
A very good first season at Burnley, yes, but that was 2015/16 and he hasn't scored 10 League goals in any season since then. Perish the though, but if I was a Watford fan I wouldn't exactly be pleased with a return of 18 League goals in 112 appearances.
 

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Yes and no... Not sure we've found a way to fit Dervişoğlu, Ghoddos or Marcondes into our preferred style of play - to name but three.
Agree, that's why I said 'generally'! Although with all three they're versatile enough to play across the front three and with Ghoddos/Marcondes further back too. We often seem to look at that flexibility as well..
 

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Being pedantic Ian Wright was 21years 10months when he signed for Steve Copples Crystal Palace in August 1986. I will stick by my original view which is, even though he is a useful player Conference to the top of the Championship is a very, very large step up for a 24 year old.
I thought he was older than that. However as you commented that the other player was almost 24, then IW was almost 22 so only 2 years different.
 

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I note that Celtic appear to have signed Fashion Sakala a Striker from Ostend. Celtic do not pay big fees for players, Sakala would appear to be from Zambia or at least he plays for Zambia, 10 internationals to his name. It strikes me that he is about the sort of player we used to sign from the EU countries so if Celtic are allowed to sign such a player why not us! An international? Zambia are hardly among the higher level countries as far as football goes. Perhaps there is one law for Scotland and anther law for EFL clubs!
 

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I note that Celtic appear to have signed Fashion Sakala a Striker from Ostend. Celtic do not pay big fees for players, Sakala would appear to be from Zambia or at least he plays for Zambia, 10 internationals to his name. It strikes me that he is about the sort of player we used to sign from the EU countries so if Celtic are allowed to sign such a player why not us! An international? Zambia are hardly among the higher level countries as far as football goes. Perhaps there is one law for Scotland and anther law for EFL clubs!
It's Rangers not Celtic ;)
 

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I agree. The DOF's are completely aware of this and will have replacements in their sights. If we can 30+m for Toney we will have done well.
Will be closer to 40m with add ons given length of contract.
If I was Southgate and now a squad of 26 I’d take him to euros as opponents wont have a foggiest how to play against a striker like Toney nowadays
 

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It's Rangers not Celtic ;)
Same difference. Question still remains, why are we prohibited from making such signings?
Will be closer to 40m with add ons given length of contract.
If I was Southgate and now a squad of 26 I’d take him to euros as opponents wont have a foggiest how to play against a striker like Toney nowadays
Southgate like us would have to change his entire system to support just one player.
 

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i agree now is the best time to cash in but if we were to go up i just can't in any way see us selling our only goal scorer and hope to have a hope of staying
 

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i agree now is the best time to cash in but if we were to go up i just can't in any way see us selling our only goal scorer and hope to have a hope of staying
So said many of us when we failed to hold on to Donaldson and Trotta when we came up from L1.
 

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i agree now is the best time to cash in but if we were to go up i just can't in any way see us selling our only goal scorer and hope to have a hope of staying
Toney is our only goal scorer? Well almost, only because we changed our system to accommodate him. If he were to move on it is likely that others would step up ie Mbeumo. Last season we scored across the line , and could do so again.
 

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I note that Celtic appear to have signed Fashion Sakala a Striker from Ostend. Celtic do not pay big fees for players, Sakala would appear to be from Zambia or at least he plays for Zambia, 10 internationals to his name. It strikes me that he is about the sort of player we used to sign from the EU countries so if Celtic are allowed to sign such a player why not us! An international? Zambia are hardly among the higher level countries as far as football goes. Perhaps there is one law for Scotland and anther law for EFL clubs!
Rangers have done very well to secure him on a pre-contract agreement given a host of clubs were reportedly interested in him. If I was honest I'm surprised a few PL clubs didn't come a sniffing as a brief glimpse of his youtube reel hints at a real talent.

Expect a yr or two at Ibrox followed by a big PL move in 18mths time.
 

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i agree now is the best time to cash in but if we were to go up i just can't in any way see us selling our only goal scorer and hope to have a hope of staying
We wouldn't sell him, would be utter madness and would make no business sense for one thing.
 

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Will be closer to 40m with add ons given length of contract.
If I was Southgate and now a squad of 26 I’d take him to euros as opponents wont have a foggiest how to play against a striker like Toney nowadays
Don't think Ivan is at that level yet. He's not as good as Ollie Watkins and he's not even guaranteed a place in the squad ?
 

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I note that Celtic appear to have signed Fashion Sakala a Striker from Ostend. Celtic do not pay big fees for players, Sakala would appear to be from Zambia or at least he plays for Zambia, 10 internationals to his name. It strikes me that he is about the sort of player we used to sign from the EU countries so if Celtic are allowed to sign such a player why not us! An international? Zambia are hardly among the higher level countries as far as football goes. Perhaps there is one law for Scotland and anther law for EFL clubs!
Chipolopolos (Copper Bullets) and 83 World ranking.
 

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That just means teams will have to pay even more to get him 🤑🤑
I marvel at the figures that are bandied about regarding transfer values etc. I’m glad that Toney plays for us, and he’s got a lot going for him regarding sticking the ball in the net, and there’s also the assists for good measure. He’s a great showman with his penalties as well. I hope the money is around for someone to buy him from us. In the space of a season, people are expecting a premier division club to stump up £30 million odd, maybe more, which they weren’t prepared to do a year ago. Amazing!
 

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I marvel at the figures that are bandied about regarding transfer values etc. I’m glad that Toney plays for us, and he’s got a lot going for him regarding sticking the ball in the net, and there’s also the assists for good measure. He’s a great showman with his penalties as well. I hope the money is around for someone to buy him from us. In the space of a season, people are expecting a premier division club to stump up £30 million odd, maybe more, which they weren’t prepared to do a year ago. Amazing!
They will though!
 

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In the space of a season, people are expecting a premier division club to stump up £30 million odd, maybe more, which they weren’t prepared to do a year ago. Amazing!
In the space of that same season, he’s had 40
goal involvements in the Championship, including scoring 30 goals.

Unsurprisingly, this will drive up his value massively.
 

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