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The theory that we currently have the best set of players we've ever had, who really should be a shoe in for promotion and that it's all Uwe's fault that they don't look like doing so, seems to be gaining momentum. But .... really? Nothing could be further from the truth to my mind. I think we've had much better players in the past. Here's a list from the 80s for example (all 3rd tier seasons), of players that I reckon were better than we have now and what they "achieved". So why do people expect the current crop to do any better?

No one will agree with all of them, but looking at this list just makes me wonder why some people think the players we have now are the most talented ever. Seems to me that we can only dream of some of this class these days :shrug:.



80/81: Danis Salman, Pat Kruze, David Crown, Jim McNichol. FINISHED: 9th

81/82: Pat Kruze, Gary Roberts, Danis Salman, David Crown, Terry Hurlock. FINISHED: 8th

82/83: Stan Bowles, Jim McNichol, Gary Roberts, Terry Hurlock, Tony Mahoney, Francis Joseph, Chris Kamara. FINISHED: 9th

83/84: Gary Roberts, Jim McNichol, Tony Mahoney, Danis Salman, Keith Cassells, Terry Hurlock, Chris Kamara, Francis Joseph. FINISHED: 20th (20th! With that lot! :eek:)

84/85: Gary Roberts, Jamie Murray, Chris Kamara, Danis Salman, Robbie Cooke, Terry Hurlock, Keith Cassells. FINISHED: 13th

85/86: Danis Salman, Keith Millen, Terry Evans, Jamie Bates, Francis Joseph, Roger Joseph, Robbie Cooke, Jamie Murray, Terry Hurlock. FINISHED: 10th

86/87: Keith Millen, Terry Evans, Jamie Bates, Robbie Cooke, Jamie Murray, Andy Sinton, Roger Joseph, Francis Joseph. FINISHED: 11th

87/88: Gary Blissett, Keith Millen, Terry Evans, Jamie Bates, Roger Joseph, Robbie Cooke, Jamie Murray, Steve Perryman, Andy Sinton. FINISHED: 12th

88/89: Roger Stanislaus, Andy Feeley, Gary Blissett, Roger Joseph, Jamie Bates, Terry Evans, Keith Millen, Allan Cockram, Keith Jones, Andy Sinton, Richard Caddette, Neil Smillie. FINISHED: 7th

89/90: Keith Millen, Simon Ratcliffe, John Buttigieg, Terry Evans, Gary Blissett, Jamie Bates, Roger Stanislaus, Marcus Gayle, Allan Cockram, Keith Jones, Richard Caddette, Neil Smillie. FINISHED: 13th
 

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The theory that we currently have the best set of players we've ever had, who really should be a shoe in for promotion and that it's all Uwe's fault that they don't look like doing so, seems to be gaining momentum. But .... really? Nothing could be further from the truth to my mind. I think we've had much better players in the past. Here's a list from the 80s for
example (all 3rd tier seasons), of players that I reckon were better than we have
now and what they "achieved". So why do people expect the current crop to do any better?

No one will agree with all of them, but looking at this list
just makes me wonder why some people think the players we have now are the most talented ever. Seems to me that we can only dream of some of this class these days :shrug:.

80/81: Danis Salman, Pat Kruze, David Crown, Jim McNichol. FINISHED: 9th

81/82: Pat Kruze, Gary Roberts, Danis Salman, David Crown, Terry Hurlock. FINISHED: 8th

82/83: Stan Bowles, Jim McNichol, Gary Roberts, Terry Hurlock, Tony Mahoney, Francis Joseph, Chris
Kamara. FINISHED: 9th

83/84: Gary Roberts, Jim McNichol, Tony Mahoney,
Danis Salman, Keith Cassells, Terry Hurlock, Chris Kamara, Francis Joseph. FINISHED: 20th (20th! With that lot! :eek:)

84/85: Gary Roberts, Jamie Murray, Chris Kamara, Danis Salman, Robbie Cooke, Terry Hurlock, Keith
Cassells. FINISHED: 13th

85/86: Danis Salman, Keith Millen, Terry Evans, Jamie Bates, Francis Joseph, Roger Joseph, Robbie Cooke, Jamie Murray, Terry Hurlock. FINISHED: 10th


86/87: Keith Millen, Terry Evans, Jamie Bates, Robbie Cooke, Jamie Murray, Andy Sinton, Roger Joseph, Francis Joseph. FINISHED: 11th

87/88: Gary Blissett, Keith Millen, Terry Evans, Jamie Bates, Roger Joseph, Robbie Cooke, Jamie Murray, Steve Perryman, Andy Sinton. FINISHED: 12th

88/89: Roger Stanislaus, Andy Feeley, Gary Blissett,
Roger Joseph, Jamie Bates, Terry Evans, Keith Millen, Allan Cockram, Keith Jones, Andy Sinton, Richard Caddette, Neil Smillie. FINISHED: 7th

89/90: Keith Millen, Simon Ratcliffe, John Buttigieg, Terry Evans, Gary Blissett, Jamie Bates, Roger Stanislaus, Marcus Gayle, Allan Cockram, Keith Jones, Richard Caddette, Neil Smillie. FINISHED: 13th
Really interesting post mate, great statto work.

Fair to say that the Hurlock, Kamara, Bowles and Gasping team had crap defence.

Batesy, Jimmy, Feely and Allan Cockram never played at a higher level and while we loved them they weren't great players.

You rightly picked some quality players and maybe it's fairer to say in the last 20 years. Since we last got promoted to the second tier I don't think we've had such a strong squad of contracted players.
 
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Batesy, Jimmy and Feely never played at a higher level and while we loved them they weren't great players.
Feeley had played First Division football for Leicester City before joining us. I think he was (may still be) their youngest ever captain. A serious knee injury ended his top-flight career.
 

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Feeley had played First Division football for Leicester City before joining us. I think he was (may still be) their youngest ever captain. A serious knee injury ended his top-flight career.
Sorry, you're right but he was not on the way up when he played for us. Guess my point is that we have 5 potentially great youngsters who I believe will all get better and play at a higher level.
 
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Really interesting post mate, great statto work.

Fair to say that the Hurlock, Kamara, Bowles and Gasping team had crap defence.

Batesy, Jimmy, Feely and Allan Cockram never played at a higher level and while we loved them they weren't great players.

You rightly picked some quality players and maybe it's fairer to say in the last 20 years. Since we last got promoted to the second tier I don't think we've had such a strong squad of contracted players.
Well, I was just going through my Big Brentford Book Of The 80s to be honest and looking at the line ups from the start of each season. However, I still don't believe these are anywhere near the best players we've had over the past 20 years.

Forster, Taylor, Evans (Terry & Paul), Rowlands, Folan, Herman, Ijah, Dickson, Asaba, Hurdle, Ingermarson, Mahon, to reel off just a few. I can't help thinking that in 20 years time the majority of the current squad will be a bit unmemorable :shrug:.
 

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Far from it. On his way down. All the way to prison. :(
I know mate, reading about him sounds like a totally different bloke. He was always hard but he was a smiley, likeable sort and despite how nasty he sounds now kind of feel sorry for him that things have got this bad for him.
 

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Well, I was just going through my Big Brentford Book Of The 80s to be honest and looking at the line ups from the start of each season. However, I still don't believe these are anywhere near the best players we've had over the past 20 years.

Forster, Taylor, Evans (Terry & Paul), Rowlands, Folan,
Herman, Ijah, Dickson, Asaba, Hurdle, Ingermarson, Mahon, to reel off just a few. I can't help thinking that in 20 years time the majority of the current squad will be a bit unmemorable :shrug:.
All I'm saying is we have a collection of very good youngsters in the same team.

Shouldn't compare our promising kids who may not maje it with established big money signings like Herman who cost
£750k and Evo £100k.
Of the rest, most weren't there at the same time anyway and sorry but Ijah was never great, Folan had 5 or
6 great games and should have gone on to be great,
Hurdle haha.
 
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All I'm saying is we have a collection of very good youngsters in the same team.

Shouldn't compare our promising kids who may not maje it with established big money signings like Herman who cost
£750k and Evo £100k.
No perhaps not. But that's my point. People are and they're saying we have the best squad we've ever had - not the most promising :shrug:. And Gus would get in my team of today in a heartbeat :shrug:.
 

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The theory that we currently have the best set of players we've ever had, who really should be a shoe in for promotion and that it's all Uwe's fault that they don't look like doing so, seems to be gaining momentum. But .... really? Nothing could be further from the truth to my mind. I think we've had much better players in the past. Here's a list from the 80s for example (all 3rd tier seasons), of players that I reckon were better than we have now and what they "achieved". So why do people expect the current crop to do any better?

No one will agree with all of them, but looking at this list just makes me wonder why some people think the players we have now are the most talented ever. Seems to me that we can only dream of some of this class these days :shrug:.



80/81: Danis Salman, Pat Kruze, David Crown, Jim McNichol. FINISHED: 9th

81/82: Pat Kruze, Gary Roberts, Danis Salman, David Crown, Terry Hurlock. FINISHED: 8th

82/83: Stan Bowles, Jim McNichol, Gary Roberts, Terry Hurlock, Tony Mahoney, Francis Joseph, Chris Kamara. FINISHED: 9th

83/84: Gary Roberts, Jim McNichol, Tony Mahoney, Danis Salman, Keith Cassells, Terry Hurlock, Chris Kamara, Francis Joseph. FINISHED: 20th (20th! With that lot! :eek:)

84/85: Gary Roberts, Jamie Murray, Chris Kamara, Danis Salman, Robbie Cooke, Terry Hurlock, Keith Cassells. FINISHED: 13th

85/86: Danis Salman, Keith Millen, Terry Evans, Jamie Bates, Francis Joseph, Roger Joseph, Robbie Cooke, Jamie Murray, Terry Hurlock. FINISHED: 10th

86/87: Keith Millen, Terry Evans, Jamie Bates, Robbie Cooke, Jamie Murray, Andy Sinton, Roger Joseph, Francis Joseph. FINISHED: 11th

87/88: Gary Blissett, Keith Millen, Terry Evans, Jamie Bates, Roger Joseph, Robbie Cooke, Jamie Murray, Steve Perryman, Andy Sinton. FINISHED: 12th

88/89: Roger Stanislaus, Andy Feeley, Gary Blissett, Roger Joseph, Jamie Bates, Terry Evans, Keith Millen, Allan Cockram, Keith Jones, Andy Sinton, Richard Caddette, Neil Smillie. FINISHED: 7th

89/90: Keith Millen, Simon Ratcliffe, John Buttigieg, Terry Evans, Gary Blissett, Jamie Bates, Roger Stanislaus, Marcus Gayle, Allan Cockram, Keith Jones, Richard Caddette, Neil Smillie. FINISHED: 13th
I think it's a generational thing to be honest. We all love a bit of nostalgia, and I'm guessing from your list the 80s were when you grew up with BFC as your first love. For me, BFC in the 80s was little more than coming down when I could perudade one of my uncles to take me on tickets I got from doing the community soccer schools. My memories are of Andy Driscoll seeming to a young me like the new Gary Lineker, of Chester City's Robbie Painter sticking one in in front of the Brook Road and celebrating with a cheeky forward roll, and of the Mansfield mass brawl. My uncles were QPR and my dad hates football, so it wasn't until I was old enough to go myself with mates that I became a regular. That was the 1990s. Thus I inevitably firmyl believe our best players are from that decade, and nothing we have had in the last 10 years or so can touch Taylor, Forster and the rest. We probably have had better in recent times, but there's nothing like the players you grew up with. I think we also become less forgiving and willing to shrug off season after season of disappointment the older we get. After all, who cares if Rotherham just beat us 3-0 at home in the rain if you're a teenager without a beer gut or any responsibilities and a world of booze and birds in your oyster? Or am I just rambling? Probably.
 
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I think it's a generational thing to be honest. We all love a bit of nostalgia, and I'm guessing from your list the 80s were when you grew up with BFC as your first love. For me, BFC in the 80s was little more than coming down when I could perudade one of my uncles to take me on tickets I got from doing the community soccer schools. My memories are of Andy Driscoll seeming to a young me like the new Gary Lineker, of Chester City's Robbie Painter sticking one in in front of the Brook Road and celebrating with a cheeky forward roll, and of the Mansfield mass brawl. My uncles were QPR and my dad hates football, so it wasn't until I was old enough to go myself with mates that I became a regular. That was the 1990s. Thus I inevitably firmyl believe our best players are from that decade, and nothing we have had in the last 10 years or so can touch Taylor, Forster and the rest. We probably have had better in recent times, but there's nothing like the players you grew up with. I think we also become less forgiving and willing to shrug off season after season of disappointment the older we get. After all, who cares if Rotherham just beat us 3-0 at home in the rain if you're a teenager without a beer gut or any responsibilities and a world of booze and birds in your oyster? Or am I just rambling? Probably.
No. The 70s was the decade I grew up with the Bees. I just happened to have a copy of the BBB of the 80s to hand to reel off these players. In fact, I tend to lean towards the 90s for what I believe were are best players much like yourself :shrug:. I just can't help thinking that certain people are vastly over-rating the current crop, who are fairly non-descript in my opinion. A passable 3rd tier side and nothing special. Certainly not one that would survive in the second tier IMO :shrug:.
 

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No. The 70s was the decade I grew up with the Bees. I just happened to have a copy of the BBB of the 80s to hand to reel off these players. In fact, I tend to lean towards the 90s for what I believe were are best players much like yourself :shrug:. I just can't help thinking that certain people are vastly over-rating the
current crop, who are fairly non-descript in my opinion. A passable 3rd tier side and nothing special. Certainly not one that would survive in the second tier IMO :shrug:.
But we've only had one season in the tier above in your lifetime so presumably every other squad wouldn't have survived. If this squad gets up no doubt it will need to be improved to survive but there are a good few players who
will thrive.
 
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But we've only had one season in the tier above in your lifetime so presumably every other squad wouldn't have survived. If this squad gets up no doubt it will need to be improved to survive but there are a good few players who
will thrive.
Exactly my point :confused:. So why should we expect this squad to do well? Are you saying the current players are better than the ones I've listed? Fair enough and absolutely nothing wrong with that if that's your opinion. I just happen to find the current sqaud incredibly mediocre compared to some of these players :shrug:.
 

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No. The 70s was the decade I grew up with the Bees. I just happened to have a copy of the BBB of the 80s to hand to reel off these players. In fact, I tend to lean towards the 90s for what I believe were are best players much like yourself :shrug:. I just can't help thinking that certain people are vastly over-rating the current crop, who are fairly non-descript in my opinion. A passable 3rd tier side and nothing special. Certainly not one that would survive in the second tier IMO :shrug:.
That's fair enough. I was just wondering if my love of the 90s crop was a fair comparison or just a reflection of good memories of growing up mixing with memories of BFC in the 90s. For what it's worth, I think you have a point. I'm not saying we don't have decent players now, I really think we do have the makings of a good team, but we have had better players certainly in my supporting lifetime, and probably many more so in yours. My own theory of increased expectation is, after decades of being told Brentford don't wanna/can't afford to go up, selling our best players, near misses with administration and the Conference, shaking buckets, seeing our ground become a shell of its former self etc etc, we finally have a have an owner who has has given us a secure financial future, invested heavily in our youth set up and done more towards a new ground in a couple of years than the couple of decades of hot air that preceeded it. Therefore, with everything becoming so rosy off the pitch in such a short space of time, perhaps we're expecting things on the pitch to follow in such quick fashion. But of course, football doesn't work like that, and the team is a work in process, as is Rosler as a manager - neither are the finished article. Our frustration is enchanced by the fact that many of the teams ahead of us are seemingly low budget (although I'm sure anyone in the boardroom would tell you we are far from being in the top bracket of budgets in this division), and whereas once we were being edged out of the promotion picture by very good Stoke, Reading, QPR, Wigan, Cardiff, Swansea etc sides, we are now playing catch up with the likes of Crawley, Stevenage, Tranmere and Notts County.
 

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Forrester and Forshaw are cracking players who will go on and play a higher level.Harlee Dean is also a cracking player who is way above lge1.As for the rest,Bidwell aside as he is on loan,can they play at a higher level ? im not sure.Not sure its the best squad ever either as i think Dodgins 78 side Perryman in 89,Holders champs of 92 and Coppells 2002 were Top squads.This squad remains to be seen on where it can go and what it can do.It has potential,but needs tweeking in the middle of the park and a striker.Shall i say a good partner for Dean and yes it could go further.Still a work in progress imo and going in the right direction.

Simon Moore deserves a mention as a keeper with a hell of a future ahead of him.Almost as good as Paul Priddy and you can quote me on that.
 

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nothing we have had in the last 10 years or so can touch Taylor, Forster and the rest. We probably have had better in recent times, but there's nothing like the players you grew up with.
I don't think we have had better. We were thumping teams with these guys up front, we would never have gone to LO and had 30 shots at goal to one and lost 1.0. Whenever we came up against a team that we felt we should beat we invariably did, now we either draw or lose 1.0. I think we are on the right tracks but we are far away from the perryman, holder, webb, coppell and allen teams as is shown by the league position. All the aforementioned had us in the top 1-3 positions all season whereby the last 3-4 years we have been just above mid table.
 
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Forrester and Forshaw are cracking players who will go on and play a higher level.Harlee Dean is also a cracking player who is way above lge1.As for the rest,Bidwell aside as he is on loan,can they play at a higher level ? im not sure.Not sure its the best squad ever either as i think Dodgins 78 side Perryman in 89,Holders champs of 92 and Coppells 2002 were Top squads.This squad remains to be seen on where it can go and what it can do.It has potential,but needs tweeking in the middle of the park and a striker.Shall i say a good partner for Dean and yes it could go further.Still a work in progress imo and going in the right direction.

Simon Moore deserves a mention as a keeper with a hell of a future ahead of him.Almost as good as Paul Priddy and you can quote me on that.
Love Forrester. Just can't help thinking the game would suit him better if it was 15 minutes each way? :fishing: No argument from me on Forshaw - gets the nod in to my list of class, as does Simon Moore - I'm a huge fan which is why I didn't list Tony Parks in my original list. I think Harley shows massive potential, but someone needs to take a file to his head so that the ball bounces off in the right direction. Especially in front of goal :fishing:.
 

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Forrester and Forshaw are cracking players who will go on and play a higher level.Harlee Dean is also a cracking player who is way above lge1.As for the rest,Bidwell aside as he is on loan,can they play at a higher level ? im not sure.Not sure its the best squad ever either as i think Dodgins 78 side Perryman in 89,Holders champs of 92 and Coppells 2002 were Top
squads.This squad remains to be seen on where it can go and what it can do.It has potential,but needs tweeking in the middle of the park and a striker.Shall i say a good partner for Dean and yes it could go further.Still a work in progress imo and going in the right direction.

Simon Moore deserves a mention as a keeper with a hell of a future ahead of him.Almost as good as Paul Priddy and you can quote me on that.
So four players in their first full season who you think can all play at at a higher level already, think that bodes well.
Regarding the rest, only Craig is on a new long term deal and he's been playing there for the last few seasons.
The rest, don't know either but they're third division players who have to get us up first and see if they can earn themselves a deal. We'll have to improve the squad if we get up to survive but the management team know that.
 

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Love Forrester. Just can't help thinking the game would suit him better if it was 15 minutes each way? :fishing: No argument from me on Forshaw - gets the nod in to my list of class, as does Simon Moore - I'm a huge fan which is why I didn't list Tony Parks in my original list. I think Harley shows massive potential, but someone needs to take a file to his head so that the ball bounces off in the right direction. Especially in front of goal :fishing:.
In Moore,Dean,Forshaw and Harry F the futures bright.These lads are attracting a lot of attention in the scouting areas,but i wanna see them being the heartbeat of the side.Someone next to Harlee one in front of our back four and a top striker and this team could go on.

Im spelling Harlee and Mazz is Harley.Pray tell ee or ey ?
 
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In Moore,Dean,Forshaw and Harry F the futures bright.These lads are attracting a lot of attention in the scouting areas,but i wanna see them being the heartbeat of the side.Someone next to Harlee one in front of our back four and a top striker and this team could go on.

Im spelling Harlee and Mazz is Harley.Pray tell ee or ey ?
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80/81: Danis Salman, Pat Kruze, David Crown, Jim McNichol. FINISHED: 9th

81/82: Pat Kruze, Gary Roberts, Danis Salman, David Crown, Terry Hurlock. FINISHED: 8th

82/83: Stan Bowles, Jim McNichol, Gary Roberts, Terry Hurlock, Tony Mahoney, Francis Joseph, Chris Kamara. FINISHED: 9th

83/84: Gary Roberts, Jim McNichol, Tony Mahoney, Danis Salman, Keith Cassells, Terry Hurlock, Chris Kamara, Francis Joseph. FINISHED: 20th (20th! With that lot! :eek:)

84/85: Gary Roberts, Jamie Murray, Chris Kamara, Danis Salman, Robbie Cooke, Terry Hurlock, Keith Cassells. FINISHED: 13th

85/86: Danis Salman, Keith Millen, Terry Evans, Jamie Bates, Francis Joseph, Roger Joseph, Robbie Cooke, Jamie Murray, Terry Hurlock. FINISHED: 10th

86/87: Keith Millen, Terry Evans, Jamie Bates, Robbie Cooke, Jamie Murray, Andy Sinton, Roger Joseph, Francis Joseph. FINISHED: 11th

87/88: Gary Blissett, Keith Millen, Terry Evans, Jamie Bates, Roger Joseph, Robbie Cooke, Jamie Murray, Steve Perryman, Andy Sinton. FINISHED: 12th

88/89: Roger Stanislaus, Andy Feeley, Gary Blissett, Roger Joseph, Jamie Bates, Terry Evans, Keith Millen, Allan Cockram, Keith Jones, Andy Sinton, Richard Caddette, Neil Smillie. FINISHED: 7th

89/90: Keith Millen, Simon Ratcliffe, John Buttigieg, Terry Evans, Gary Blissett, Jamie Bates, Roger Stanislaus, Marcus Gayle, Allan Cockram, Keith Jones, Richard Caddette, Neil Smillie. FINISHED: 13th
I think if these players were around now, hardly any would escape the kind of criticism current players get. With no world.wide.slaggingoffvehicle available we didn't used to analyse them so much and I'm sure many had lots of unmemorable games.

Of those listed, there weren't that many who I thought would go on to play in the top division. That's the difference with the current crop. I think there are a few who will - Forshaw for sure, Harry probably, Moore & Dean. These are not loanees either.

I'd say Sinton was probably the only one of all those listed who I thought would go onto really big things. He obviously did playing for Sheffield Wednesday, Wolves & England. Oh, maybe Hurlock too!

I have a sneaky feeling we might have a decent FA Cup run this year and that our current crop will face the exposure Sinton got in 89. Hope we don't get tempted to cash in when we finally crash out though.

It's nice looking back at those players listed. Fond memories of many but was Robbie Cooke really all that? Jamie Murray?
 

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Ah sorry, formatting gone a bit sh*t... Was going to comment on each season but too knackered!
 
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I'd say Sinton was probably the only one of all those listed who I thought would go onto really big things. He obviously did playing for Sheffield Wednesday, Wolves & England. Oh, maybe Hurlock too!
Bowles perhaps? Chris Kamara maybe? Garza Bliss did? Loads of those players could have played top level I reckon. Evans (both), Francis Joseph (Roger did didn't he?), Cadette, Smille, Deano, the boy Salman, Gasping, to name a few. Well done for spotting my red herring though - Jamie Murray lol.
 
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P.S. Yes. Robbie Cooke was all that and would be first on my teamsheet today :sorted:.
 

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Bowles perhaps? Chris Kamara maybe? Garza Bliss did? Loads of those players could have played top level I reckon. Evans (both), Francis Joseph (Roger did didn't he?), Cadette, Smille, Deano, the boy Salman, Gasping, to name a few. Well done for spotting my red herring though - Jamie Murray lol.
Bowles was good fun but would be probably be slagged off something chronic by a few these days... Most his goals were pens and even when I was ten and going round his Braemar Rd house to blag tickets I knew he was unlikely to be heading back to the First Divsion!
Kammy, nah.
Bliss, thsi may be harsh, but I'm not sure anyone else in teh top Div would have bought him if Dons didn't. Sorry. Still a Bees Ledge though.
Evans, not really. Although I suppose if Booker did with Sheff Utd, then maybe he couldve done.
Francis Joseph, I think there's only one current Premier League team he could get into but they'll be back down soon.
Cadette, not after that Anfield miss,
Smillie & Gasping, nah, good second/third tier players. Smillie did for BHA though I guess.
Deano - didn't see him listed. Yep, he was as exciting as this crop.
Salman? Nah, inconsisitent.
 
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Bowles was good fun but would be probably be slagged off something chronic by a few these days... Most his goals were pens and even when I was ten and going round his Braemar Rd house to blag tickets I knew he was unlikely to be heading back to the First Divsion!
Kammy, nah.
Bliss, thsi may be harsh, but I'm not sure anyone else in teh top Div would have bought him if Dons didn't. Sorry. Still a Bees Ledge though.
Evans, not really. Although I suppose if Booker did with Sheff Utd, then maybe he couldve done.
Francis Joseph, I think there's only one current Premier League team he could get into but they'll be back down soon.
Cadette, not after that Anfield miss,
Smillie & Gasping, nah, good second/third tier players. Smillie did for BHA though I guess.
Deano - didn't see him listed. Yep, he was as exciting as this crop.
Salman? Nah, inconsisitent.
abs. You're on a wind up, yes? You're telling me that Harleey, Clayton, Douglas, Hayes et al, are better than the above were, right? :suspect:
 

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abs. You're on a wind up, yes? You're telling me that Harleey, Clayton, Douglas, Hayes et al, are better than the above were, right? :suspect:
I've gone to sleep....
 

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Of those listed, there weren't that many who I thought would go on to play in the top division.
Whether you "thought" they would is subjective. The fact that many did is reality. Kamara, holdesworth, blisset, forster, taylor, asaba, R Joseph to name a few went on to a higher level. Hurlock played top flight and got an england B cap. Bowles played for England before he joined us. Add to that the 6 or 7 players who joined Gillingham who won promotion and had a good spell in the championship. Then look at the 5-6 who joined reading, ingermarsen, owusu, mahon, hunt to name just 4 who went on to play in the premiership.
It goes on and on.
This current team have a lot to achieve before they can be put in the bracket as the listed players.
 

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A team comprising two excellent and probing players in Harry and Forshaw is something better than I've ever seen at GP, I was there for Bowles and co and they were special but I've looked at gifted and front footed midfielders play for others at GP and wished we had one, we've now got two. If you throw in the potential of Fredericks, he is very highly rated at Spurs then we have some real potential in the ranks.
 

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The message here is enjoy these players while we have them. I wish Berahino had worked out better because to have him in the side would be the cherry on top.
 

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Simon Moore deserves a mention as a keeper with a hell of a future ahead of him.Almost as good as Paul Priddy and you can quote me on that.
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I think if these players were around now, hardly any would escape the kind of criticism current players get. With no world.wide.slaggingoffvehicle available we didn't used to analyse them so much
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Great memories of the 80's, but it really was a lame decade as far as the Bees were concerned. Okay, we had that wonderful first visit to Wembley to enjoy the first of our 5 defeats in Play-Off or Mickey Mouse Cup finals. We also had that glorious run to the 6th round of the FA Cup. However, no promotions were achieved and no top-6 finishes either.

It is not easy to judge the players of one era against those of another. However, I suggest that one area where both 1980's and 2010's (todate) have comparisons is home form, or the lack of it. Just look at the 80's home record for 23 league matches, the number of goals scored at home and the top league goalscorer (home and away):

80/81 W7 - D9 - L7 Goals 30 - Bob Booker 7 (home & away)
81/82 W8 - D6 - L9 Goals 28 - Keith Bowen, Gary Johnson & Gary Roberts 8 each
82/83 W14 - D4 - L5 Goals 50 - Francis Joseph 24
83/84 W8 - D9 - L6 Goals 41 - Francis Joseph 18
84/85 W13 - D5 - L5 Goals 42 - Keith Cassells & Robbie Cooke 12 each
85/86 W8 - D8 - L7 Goals 29 - Robbie Cooke 17
86/87 W9 - D7 - L7 Goals 32 - Robbie Cooke 20
87/88 W9 - D8 - L6 Goals 27 - Andy Sinton 11
88/89 W14 - D5 - L4 Goals 36 - Richard Cadette 12

Our home record has not been great since getting promotion back in 2009 and it was the failure to win at home that usually messed us up back in the 80's. How we didn't go up in 82/83 is hard to believe. We had an exciting team and were going great up to when Tony Mahony broke a leg in the FA Cup. But our form after that, particularly away from home, just was not good enough.

I'll accept that there is plenty of potential within our current squad, but for that potential to turn in to something more tangible, the Bees will need to find a goalscorer on a rich vein of form throughout just one season (i.e. John O'Mara 71/72, Steve Phillips 78/79, Francis Joseph 82/83, Dean Holdsworth 91/92, Lloyd Owusu 98/99). A run of good home wins driven by a striker you have faith in and the smile will be back on the faces of the Brentford faithful. Those players with potential will then really come to the fore as more supporters come through the gate each week.

Now, where can we find a striker with potential.
 

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