Halil Dervişoğlu

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Just like the Emiliano Marcondes thread .. there’s a few on here who want him to fail so they can say “I told you so” 😳
I think it’s quite likely he’ll never play for us again but there’ll be a load of Bees fans in 2026 after he has a great World Cup and we get an unexpected 10m sell on who’ll boggle that he was actually on our books.
 

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Whoscored have Halil rated as Galatasaray’s 3rd best player this season averaging 6.91 (narrowly behind the 2nd)


Halil Dervisoglu Characteristics​

+ Strengths​

Dribbling…….Very Strong
Long shots……Very Strong
Through balls…..Strong
Headed attempts…..Strong
Key passes…..Strong
Defensive contribution…..Strong

- Weaknesses​

Offside awareness……Very Weak

Halil Dervisoglu's Style of Play​

Likes to dribble
Indirect set-piece threat
Likes to tackle
Commits fouls often


I haven’t always been a fan of his since he joined us, but I have watched his career closely since we first signed him.
If he wasn’t already our player, his statistics this season while with Galatasaray and for Turkey are good enough for consideration of signing him. He certainly looks to be maturing, and although it is only Gibraltar tonight unlike many of his colleagues he has retained possession well, taken his chances well including a 3rd goal that was ruled offside (not him being offside). If he starts on Tuesday against Montenegro seeing him in a pressure game will be interesting.

If nothing else his value is definitely going in one direction which can only be good for us
Value? No one has any money over there so they are looking to get him on the cheap. Halli is no doubt complicit in this con trick, and I do not forget he was happy to take a signing on fee from us, and in return has given us nothing. When he eventually leaves on a bosman it is my understand that we will receive nothing as it will be to a foreign FA.
 

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Would everyone dissing Halil please remember he’s 21 years old. Twenty one! Four months younger than Bryan. And good enough to score World Cup qualifying goals for a proper country. Apparently he’s not good enough for us at Brentford. Seriously? Some people appear to forget where we’ve come from…
 

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To be fair to him when we bought him way back in Summer 19 we weren’t a pressing team. That was the window we bought Pontus, Jeanvier and Ethan at the start of tightening up defensively but it was still very experimental- we didn’t switch from 3CBs until mid Autumn. Halil was on a pre-contract for January and stayed at Sparta as we were just integrating Bryan as another new attacker. Ollie was being converted to central striker and Sergi was our starting RW. Norgaard and Jensen were just settling in.

So when he signed our shape was not settled. Our ethos had been that of a very fluid attacking team with not a lot of emphasis on the forwards pressing or tracking back. Halil had a little of the nasty little man devilry of the recently departed Maupay. But he was one for the next turn of the conveyor belt who we weren’t rushing into the first team and wouldn’t have had the time to focus on developing immediately.

Then in January with Sergi out long term, Forss having been on loan but back injured and Said not scoring anything like as freely as in his first season but Ollie and Bryan going well we were a little light on forward options. We were more settled defensively but still very much a free attacking team. So bringing him in rather than loaning him back to Sparta made sense.

Maybe that sudden shift was disconcerting for him having been settled back into enjoying the new challenge of the Eredivisie. Then coming here but being still in wait for an opening from a by early February fully firing BMW, it might have looked like a frustrating time for someone highly rated in Holland and Turkey to be fighting for bench time in a team not quite established among the promotion front runners.

Then within a matter of weeks Covid, lockdown and suspension of the season. He finds himself in a new country, a new team he’s on the fringes of and who’ve all had at least a preseason and 30+ games together to bond and understand each other and the club. By the time of the resumption he also has Sergi back from injury. Also Fosu has joined as another competitor for an attacking berth.

Then after odds and ends on the pitch combined with the isolation of Covid that we know hit other young foreign players like Mbeumo hard, we lose in the play offs. We bring in more new players and we do some hard thinking about how to cope with and overcome both the disappointment of missing out on promotion and the way we’d need to set up without Said and Ollie. Toney coming in was obviously going to be the spearhead. And for the first time we focused on pressing through the team and having the attackers be as ferocious defending as the CBs.

It’s not at all the team or role he’d been sold a year before and it’s also not one he’s had the chance to make a mark on or a country he could settle into with any normality.

If we add to that his dad’s supposed influence in showing how he could be a big star in Turkey as well as him knowing he was up to being a top tier player in Holland without having to relearn his football, it makes sense he went out on loan.

I think he looked this summer like he was knuckling down to try to be a player who’d fit us now- being in the PL made that more worthwhile. But he’d also made it to the Turkish full team and played a bit in the Euros.

So he’s just never had the time to integrate, we’ve changed a lot from the club he agreed to join and he clearly has high profile opportunities that will be very rewarding without him having to unlearn everything and become a different player. Quite reasonable and understandable- there are still many on the gpg who think Moyes has ruined Benrahma by making him reinvent his all round game. Halil isn’t as far along but the same thinking would be understandable.
Excellent summary.

He's been dealt a tricky hand over the last couple of years with covid lockdowns, settling into a new country and culture, the form of other players in his position putting him lower down the pecking order that he may be used to, change of tactics/formation and huge teams in his native country trying to turn his head.

Dealing with all the above along with minimal competitive playing time for us would make it incredibly difficult to integrate into any team, let alone a team that is evolving as quickly as we are.

He's only 21 and still learning.

COYB
 

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Would everyone dissing Halil please remember he’s 21 years old. Twenty one! Four months younger than Bryan. And good enough to score World Cup qualifying goals for a proper country. Apparently he’s not good enough for us at Brentford. Seriously? Some people appear to forget where we’ve come from…
Great post, we are so so spoilt now.
 

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Value? No one has any money over there so they are looking to get him on the cheap. Halli is no doubt complicit in this con trick, and I do not forget he was happy to take a signing on fee from us, and in return has given us nothing. When he eventually leaves on a bosman it is my understand that we will receive nothing as it will be to a foreign FA.
Bosmans all leave on a free! Do you mean the solidarity payment for development of an under 21? Given how little he’s been with us I’m not sure we’ve earned much of that.

I’m not sure Bosmans still apply anyway unless as a UEFA rule because we are also not EU members any more. And if it’s a UEFA rule rather than as in Bosman a matter of EU law, being different countries within UEFA ought not to make any difference.
 

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Would everyone dissing Halil please remember he’s 21 years old. Twenty one! Four months younger than Bryan. And good enough to score World Cup qualifying goals for a proper country. Apparently he’s not good enough for us at Brentford. Seriously? Some people appear to forget where we’ve come from…
The fact is we are no longer in league 2, league 1 or the championship. The point I am making is that based on what I have seen I don't think he is good enough for us in the premiership. As good as it is scoring 2 goals against a Gibraltar team reduced to 10 men in a World Cup qualifying game, it does not change my thinking on his ability to be able to perform at the required level in the prem. This is not dissing anyone, just an observation on my part, that seems to be similar to the thoughts of the Dofs. I am sorry if there are some posters getting excited out there are following the 2 goals from Halil yesterday, but it's nothing personal. Nothing would make me happier for Halil to succeed with us but imo it's no going to happen, probably for several reasons. You just have to move on.

Lastly what is a proper country?
 

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The fact is we are no longer in league 2, league 1 or the championship. The point I am making is that based on what I have seen I don't think he is good enough for us in the premiership. As good as it is scoring 2 goals against a Gibraltar team reduced to 10 men in a World Cup qualifying game, it does not change my thinking on his ability to be able to perform at the required level in the prem. This is not dissing anyone, just an observation on my part, that seems to be similar to the thoughts of the Dofs. I am sorry if there are some posters getting excited out there are following the 2 goals from Halil yesterday, but it's nothing personal. Nothing would make me happier for Halil to succeed with us but imo it's no going to happen, probably for several reasons. You just have to move on.

Lastly what is a proper country?

Based on what though? a couple of FA cup/League Cup appearances and a few Championship sub appearances.

He obviously has work to do for the club to trust him at this level. But for any of us to say based on what we've seen is a tad OTT as we've seen next to sod all of him when it comes to playing in our strongest line up.
 

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Lastly what is a proper country?

a) A country in the higher reaches of the FIFA rankings, which regularly qualifies for World Cups and/or European Championships;

b) A country that spans as many continents as Wonders of the ancient world to which it plays host; and/or

c) A country that brews perfectly drinkable local lagers (which I have enjoyed on numerous enjoyable visits).

I appreciate that at least one of these views is subjective. As is my comment on Halil, obvs.
 

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Bosmans all leave on a free! Do you mean the solidarity payment for development of an under 21? Given how little he’s been with us I’m not sure we’ve earned much of that.

I’m not sure Bosmans still apply anyway unless as a UEFA rule because we are also not EU members any more. And if it’s a UEFA rule rather than as in Bosman a matter of EU law, being different countries within UEFA ought not to make any difference.
You may be right, but 'Bosman' has become short hand for being out of contract, and it its my understanding that it is now a UEFA regulation, it is also my understanding that we remain subject to EUFA regulations. Whether we are entitled to compensation payments is irrelevant as we are likely to be dealing with a foreign FA. Cannot understand where you got your £10 million from, we will be lucky to get ten quid out of that lot in Turkey, all the clubs are bust, even the country is bust. Whatever, I have little doubt that our DFO's are on to it, so will watch with interest. I agree with your thoughts that it is highly unlikely that he will ever play for for us again, at least in a meaningful way,
 

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I've watched quite a lot of Galatasary this year and, obviously, I focus on Halil. He is a skillful player and a pretty decent finisher. But he is no Ivan Toney. By that standard he is, basically, lazy. Premier league clubs cannot afford passengers. Unless he has a major change in attitude he will not make it in England.
 

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Would everyone dissing Halil please remember he’s 21 years old. Twenty one! Four months younger than Bryan. And good enough to score World Cup qualifying goals for a proper country. Apparently he’s not good enough for us at Brentford. Seriously? Some people appear to forget where we’ve come from…
No-one on here that's supported the club for at least 10 years will forget where we've come from or what we've had to endure.

However, it's not a relevant point when we are discussing the level we are currently at. And if the DoFs and TF have decided that he isn't worthy of a starting place and needed loaning out, that's good enough for me. Personally, he doesn't seem to have had much of a chance at BFC, but then again, I don't see him in training.

The question of whether his ability and skill is up to PL standards really has nothing to do with those that saw Dagenham & R tear us apart in league 2 last decade.
 

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The fact is we are no longer in league 2, league 1 or the championship. The point I am making is that based on what I have seen I don't think he is good enough for us in the premiership. As good as it is scoring 2 goals against a Gibraltar team reduced to 10 men in a World Cup qualifying game, it does not change my thinking on his ability to be able to perform at the required level in the prem. This is not dissing anyone, just an observation on my part, that seems to be similar to the thoughts of the Dofs. I am sorry if there are some posters getting excited out there are following the 2 goals from Halil yesterday, but it's nothing personal. Nothing would make me happier for Halil to succeed with us but imo it's no going to happen, probably for several reasons. You just have to move on.

Lastly what is a proper country?
^ this
 

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Based on what though? a couple of FA cup/League Cup appearances and a few Championship sub appearances.

He obviously has work to do for the club to trust him at this level. But for any of us to say based on what we've seen is a tad OTT as we've seen next to sod all of him when it comes to playing in our strongest line up.
Do you expect Joel Valencia to make a similar splash?

point being, yea, we have a small sample size but:
a) it is human nature to extrapolate or else no player would be discussed until they had played 40 games for Brentford in our strongest line-up
b) there are other contextual clues including games played for other teams, the fact that our manager tends to make decent decisions based on what he sees, and those appearances he has made

people seem quite happy to say that Valencia is a gamble that has not paid off based on a smaller sample size but refuse to trust the evidence that does exist for Halil. AB might be right that he has been unlucky with changes at the club but I still think pressing from the front has been something we have pretty consistently expected over his time here and something which doesn’t seem to be in his locker. Every chance he’ll do great somewhere else but doesn’t suit us right now
 

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Would everyone dissing Halil please remember he’s 21 years old. Twenty one! Four months younger than Bryan. And good enough to score World Cup qualifying goals for a proper country. Apparently he’s not good enough for us at Brentford. Seriously? Some people appear to forget where we’ve come from…

Is that bit aimed at the fans or the owner and DoF's? Because in their opinion he isn't good enough for us, we may have come from League one but today's players are Premier League players.
 

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Is that bit aimed at the fans or the owner and DoF's? Because in their opinion he isn't good enough for us, we may have come from League one but today's players are Premier League players.
I think it’s pretty clear it’s aimed at the fans who don’t think he’s good enough.
 

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Do you expect Joel Valencia to make a similar splash?

point being, yea, we have a small sample size but:
a) it is human nature to extrapolate or else no player would be discussed until they had played 40 games for Brentford in our strongest line-up
b) there are other contextual clues including games played for other teams, the fact that our manager tends to make decent decisions based on what he sees, and those appearances he has made

people seem quite happy to say that Valencia is a gamble that has not paid off based on a smaller sample size but refuse to trust the evidence that does exist for Halil. AB might be right that he has been unlucky with changes at the club but I still think pressing from the front has been something we have pretty consistently expected over his time here and something which doesn’t seem to be in his locker. Every chance he’ll do great somewhere else but doesn’t suit us right now

I would imagine Halil was viewed very differently in terms of potential to Valencia, not least because of his age and the potential for him to develop further.
 

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I would imagine Halil was viewed very differently in terms of potential to Valencia, not least because of his age and the potential for him to develop further.
Sure, but the argument here is never about potential but about whether they should be starting games for us now. Seems to be two very different standards
 

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I would imagine Halil was viewed very differently in terms of potential to Valencia, not least because of his age and the potential for him to develop further.
I can't see the slightest reason to compare the two, a better comparison for Halil would be a B Team player.
 

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I can't see the slightest reason to compare the two, a better comparison for Halil would be a B Team player.
Sure, then compare him to Aaron Pressley. I also trust the coaching staff that he's not ready to be a first-team player and also needs time on loan.
 

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Sure, then compare him to Aaron Pressley. I also trust the coaching staff that he's not ready to be a first-team player and also needs time on loan.
Which seems to be the case – a loan for development. I don't think either would be in the first team match day squad if they were here, apart from dire injury needs. IMHO, Halil would be Wissa's understudy.
 

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Which seems to be the case – a loan for development. I don't think either would be in the first team match day squad if they were here, apart from dire injury needs. IMHO, Halil would be Wissa's understudy.
Agreed. The question becomes whether either can develop enough to make it in the first team. We'll have to wait and see.
 

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Agreed. The question becomes whether either can develop enough to make it in the first team. We'll have to wait and see.
Given there's 4-5 years between them, isn't it just a case of where they are in the development pipeline?
 

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Given there's 4-5 years between them, isn't it just a case of where they are in the development pipeline?
Possibly, but that's also a somewhat overly teleological approach. Some players are 'developed' at 18, some never develop far enough. We know that Halil has some great traits in his locker (if we're allowed to note them despite the small sample size argument that is normally used against the more conservative posters on his likely impact) and we know that he has not shown enough on some traits that are vital to the way we play (e.g. intensity and pressing). The question is when/if he can develop those traits that are necessary to feature for us while continuing to improve those spiky traits that would already be sufficient. We'll give Pressley, NYC, Halil and others (including those closer to the first team like Forss) every opportunity to get to where we need them to be, but there is always a calculation about potential, risk, reinvestment risk/opportunity cost if they were to be sold etc which means that some might be sold earlier if the coaches are more bearish on their progress and bullish on their market value.
 

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Highest international goal scorer in the history of BFC :bounce:
 
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Do you expect Joel Valencia to make a similar splash?

point being, yea, we have a small sample size but:
a) it is human nature to extrapolate or else no player would be discussed until they had played 40 games for Brentford in our strongest line-up
b) there are other contextual clues including games played for other teams, the fact that our manager tends to make decent decisions based on what he sees, and those appearances he has made

people seem quite happy to say that Valencia is a gamble that has not paid off based on a smaller sample size but refuse to trust the evidence that does exist for Halil. AB might be right that he has been unlucky with changes at the club but I still think pressing from the front has been something we have pretty consistently expected over his time here and something which doesn’t seem to be in his locker. Every chance he’ll do great somewhere else but doesn’t suit us right now

True, Yes we can have our opinions on players before they have played 40 games. What would be the point of this board. My point is he has been written off way to early from a fans perspective.

I dont expect the same splash from JV. IMO JV was a punt of a signing from a very low standard of football. HD was signed having played at a decent level in Dutch football and scored goals in a decent team against decent sides.

I would compare Valencia to the same calibre of signing like Gogia or Williams. He's very much unknown and IMO was a low risk signing.

Whilst i would consider HD to be a similar sort of signing to players we have thought should fit into the system within a year like Maupay, Watkins etc etc. He has a similar record to those two in terms of goals scored before we signed him.

It just hasnt worked out. But i bet the club had/have higher hopes for HD then they did or do for JV.

Not really a fair comparison if you ask me.
 

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True, Yes we can have our opinions on players before they have played 40 games. What would be the point of this board. My point is he has been written off way to early from a fans perspective.

I dont expect the same splash from JV. IMO JV was a punt of a signing from a very low standard of football. HD was signed having played at a decent level in Dutch football and scored goals in a decent team against decent sides.

I would compare Valencia to the same calibre of signing like Gogia or Williams. He's very much unknown and IMO was a low risk signing.

Whilst i would consider HD to be a similar sort of signing to players we have thought should fit into the system within a year like Maupay, Watkins etc etc. He has a similar record to those two in terms of goals scored before we signed him.

It just hasnt worked out. But i bet the club had/have higher hopes for HD then they did or do for JV.

Not really a fair comparison if you ask me.
Didn't realise Mr Varney played as well....
 

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The fact is we are no longer in league 2, league 1 or the championship. The point I am making is that based on what I have seen I don't think he is good enough for us in the premiership. As good as it is scoring 2 goals against a Gibraltar team reduced to 10 men in a World Cup qualifying game, it does not change my thinking on his ability to be able to perform at the required level in the prem. This is not dissing anyone, just an observation on my part, that seems to be similar to the thoughts of the Dofs. I am sorry if there are some posters getting excited out there are following the 2 goals from Halil yesterday, but it's nothing personal. Nothing would make me happier for Halil to succeed with us but imo it's no going to happen, probably for several reasons. You just have to move on.

Lastly what is a proper country?
I’ve just looked up San Marino. Dubious.
 

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Thought this (translated) post from their forum was Halil in a nutshell....

'instead of hitting six pastry developments, he tries to control it and snips it into the position, it's not like he's getting smart.'

Not going too well for him and with the Turkish lira tanking in value I doubt he'll be over there much longer tbh.
 

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and with the Turkish lira tanking in value I doubt he'll be over there much longer tbh.
Yeah that's an interesting point as to whether they could afford him. You'd imagine, a club that size, they'd hold much of their reseves in USD because of how volatile the currency is... that is if they have any reserves.
 

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No recall option has been communicated from what I can find.
In a way it might be best for us if he has an uninterrupted season there and that helps everyone decide properly where his future lies. Either it perks up for him and he earns the move or he learns that the grass isn’t greener and returns to knuckle down for what we need. Bringing him back early might just lead to his mind being still back there.
 
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Thought this (translated) post from their forum was Halil in a nutshell....

'instead of hitting six pastry developments, he tries to control it and snips it into the position, it's not like he's getting smart.'

Not going too well for him and with the Turkish lira tanking in value I doubt he'll be over there much longer tbh.
Doesn't bode well if you're not hitting your pastry developments... !! :judge:
 

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Would everyone dissing Halil please remember he’s 21 years old. Twenty one! Four months younger than Bryan. And good enough to score World Cup qualifying goals for a proper country. Apparently he’s not good enough for us at Brentford. Seriously? Some people appear to forget where we’ve come from…
Personally, I wouldn’t say I’ve forgotten where we have come from, more where we are now. I’m not saying there isn’t potential there but you have got to agree he hasn’t shown enough in whichever team it is he’s playing for.

Your reference to Bryan contradicts your point, there both practically the same age but he’s no where near Bryan’s level. Yes he’s still young, but JDS at 21, Rico at 21, MBS at 21, Canos at 21, Watkins at 21 were all showing at least glimpses of what they could do. I know in football you have late bloomers, Pinnock and maybe Toney but he’s been at the club a couple of years now and limited time around the first team. I hope he proves me wrong but I won’t be surprised if he left.
 

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Personally, I wouldn’t say I’ve forgotten where we have come from, more where we are now. I’m not saying there isn’t potential there but you have got to agree he hasn’t shown enough in whichever team it is he’s playing for.

Your reference to Bryan contradicts your point, there both practically the same age but he’s no where near Bryan’s level. Yes he’s still young, but JDS at 21, Rico at 21, MBS at 21, Canos at 21, Watkins at 21 were all showing at least glimpses of what they could do. I know in football you have late bloomers, Pinnock and maybe Toney but he’s been at the club a couple of years now and limited time around the first team. I hope he proves me wrong but I won’t be surprised if he left.
Agree, some signings albeit a small percentage just don't work out. Hey ho... not the end of the world.
 

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The link here in this ongoing Turkish saga says that Brentford told them he's not for sale now but they'll talk in the summer. Also mentions that next season clubs will be required to have 4 Turkish players in their XI so he will be potentially more valuable to them because of this. Interesting tit bit about his salary, they claim it is approx £9k per week.

 
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Interesting they're still after him, in general Galatasaray fans appear to have gone off him over this season....
 

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The link here in this ongoing Turkish saga says that Brentford told them he's not for sale now but they'll talk in the summer. Also mentions that next season clubs will be required to have 4 Turkish players in their XI so he will be potentially more valuable to them because of this. Interesting tit bit about his salary, they claim it is approx £9k per week.

That’ll have doubled in Turkey due to the Lira tanking!
 

Deanos196

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How much did we pay for him? 1.5m?
(Could be way off)
If that’s the case we must’ve made not far off that back in loan fees? If that is the case flog him for a knock down price if we don’t think he’ll make it and we would’ve still made a bit and all move on
 
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