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I am afraid that this young man has to learn that sometimes you don't always get what you want!
To be fair to Halil we have to take this with a pinch of salt, the Turkish media are very unreliable and talk a lot of nonsense.
 

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He should go to Braga, embrace both Carlos Carvalhal and the Portuguese culture and leave his dad in Istanbul.
 

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£7 million now then.
International goalscorer who has scored as many goals for Turkey in recent months as games in front of a crowd for Brentford which is 4.
He has been with us for 2 and a half years.
1 FA Cup goal which none of us saw.
7 mill?
Be lucky to see anything near that I reckon.
How long left on his contract?
 

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International goalscorer who has scored as many goals for Turkey in recent months as games in front of a crowd for Brentford which is 4.
He has been with us for 2 and a half years.
1 FA Cup goal which none of us saw.
7 mill?
Be lucky to see anything near that I reckon.
How long left on his contract?
Just because he’s hardly played for us doesn’t mean he doesn’t have value on the basis of the 100+ top division games he’s played at 22 and the 5 goals in 10 international appearances. Pretend he had never signed for us and was today being rumoured as a target. Would £7m seem very expensive when players with a single season in the Championship are being touted at three to four times that?
 

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Just because he’s hardly played for us doesn’t mean he doesn’t have value on the basis of the 100+ top division games he’s played at 22 and the 5 goals in 10 international appearances. Pretend he had never signed for us and was today being rumoured as a target. Would £7m seem very expensive when players with a single season in the Championship are being touted at three to four times that?
Where has he played those top division games?
Think about that one.
 

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Where has he played those top division games?
Think about that one.
At decent clubs in Holland and Turkey. At least one of which is a bigger club than us.
 

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At decent clubs in Holland and Turkey. At least one of which is a bigger club than us.
Sparta Rotterdam ?
All due respect to Sparta,but a second division side at best.
17 games 5 goals in the top flight plus 9 appearances on loan at FC Twente.

Galatasary are a big club in Istanbul a big club in Turkey.
Bigger than Brentford?
Not today they are not.
Once upon a time maybe,but not at the moment.
We play in the top league in the world whereas Galatasary play in one which is ranked where in Europe?
 

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Sparta Rotterdam ?
All due respect to Sparta,but a second division side at best.
17 games 5 goals in the top flight plus 9 appearances on loan at FC Twente.

Galatasary are a big club in Istanbul a big club in Turkey.
Bigger than Brentford?
Not today they are not.
Once upon a time maybe,but not at the moment.
We play in the top league in the world whereas Galatasary play in one which is ranked where in Europe?
Galatasary are definitely a bigger club than Brentford 🤦‍♂️

We should be able to fetch a decent fee for him; Turkey international, only 22, has played in Eredivisie, Championship and the biggest club in the Süper Lig already.

He was either bought knowingly as an asset for us to trade, not to be an actual Brentford player, or he and his agent simply duped BFC and signed the deal with us for the money - with no intention of playing for us. Remember he stayed in Holland for 6 months after signing, and then a loan move to Turkey materialised in the press before he even got here.

When he has been here in those brief spells I doubt he’s impressed Frank. Some of the “on the ball” stuff is amazing but he doesn’t do the running off the ball or (probably) in training.

We’ve made the best of the situation IMO, extracting loan fees for him and seeing his value continue to rise from what we originally paid for him. It’s frustrating as a fan, because it would be great for him to just come back and be an incredible player for us in the PL. Hope I’m wrong but think it’s incredibly unlikely.
 

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Galatasary are definitely a bigger club than Brentford 🤦‍♂️

We should be able to fetch a decent fee for him; Turkey international, only 22, has played in Eredivisie, Championship and the biggest club in the Süper Lig already.

He was either bought knowingly as an asset for us to trade, not to be an actual Brentford player, or he and his agent simply duped BFC and signed the deal with us for the money - with no intention of playing for us. Remember he stayed in Holland for 6 months after signing, and then a loan move to Turkey materialised in the press before he even got here.

When he has been here in those brief spells I doubt he’s impressed Frank. Some of the “on the ball” stuff is amazing but he doesn’t do the running off the ball or (probably) in training.

We’ve made the best of the situation IMO, extracting loan fees for him and seeing his value continue to rise from what we originally paid for him. It’s frustrating as a fan, because it would be great for him to just come back and be an incredible player for us in the PL. Hope I’m wrong but think it’s incredibly unlikely.
But they have had by far there worst season in 10 years to finish a lowly 13th
*in fact their worst season since the Super League began in 1959
 

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Keep him and give the bloke a proper chance.
Give him a chance! He has not once indicated that he wants to play for us. He attempted to even put off coming even before he arrived. I am sure that we have now given up on flogging a dead horse!
 

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Galatasary are definitely a bigger club than Brentford 🤦‍♂️

We should be able to fetch a decent fee for him; Turkey international, only 22, has played in Eredivisie, Championship and the biggest club in the Süper Lig already.

He was either bought knowingly as an asset for us to trade, not to be an actual Brentford player, or he and his agent simply duped BFC and signed the deal with us for the money - with no intention of playing for us. Remember he stayed in Holland for 6 months after signing, and then a loan move to Turkey materialised in the press before he even got here.

When he has been here in those brief spells I doubt he’s impressed Frank. Some of the “on the ball” stuff is amazing but he doesn’t do the running off the ball or (probably) in training.

We’ve made the best of the situation IMO, extracting loan fees for him and seeing his value continue to rise from what we originally paid for him. It’s frustrating as a fan, because it would be great for him to just come back and be an incredible player for us in the PL. Hope I’m wrong but think it’s incredibly unlikely.
Your last sentence is how I feel about this player.
Games in the Championship?
I saw 1.
He has been involved in 4.
Hardly a CV plus point as he hardly looked like he was going to rip it up like other signings did and on that note I seriously believe he would be way out of his depth in the Premier League .
I could be wrong too,but I don't see any clubs trying to prise him off us here in the UK.
I trust we are at least getting a decent loan fee for him and if we carry on for another 2 years then he could sign for Galatasary for nothing.
I am sure that is there intention.
Yes they have been a bigger club than us.
They have Championships and cups etc.
We are in the biggest league on the planet.
They are in a league with Besiktas and Fenerbache.
Turkish club football is not that much tbh.
One day though they could be back,but not just yet.
 

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Your last sentence is how I feel about this player.
Games in the Championship?
I saw 1.
He has been involved in 4.
Hardly a CV plus point as he hardly looked like he was going to rip it up like other signings did and on that note I seriously believe he would be way out of his depth in the Premier League .
I could be wrong too,but I don't see any clubs trying to prise him off us here in the UK.
I trust we are at least getting a decent loan fee for him and if we carry on for another 2 years then he could sign for Galatasary for nothing.
I am sure that is there intention.
Yes they have been a bigger club than us.
They have Championships and cups etc.
We are in the biggest league on the planet.
They are in a league with Besiktas and Fenerbache.
Turkish club football is not that much tbh.
One day though they could be back,but not just yet.
Wonder what happened to those Chelsea youngsters constantly loaned out before being sold, think they were call Salah & De Bruyne?
 
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Wonder what happened to those Chelsea youngsters constantly loaned out before being sold, think they were call Salah & De Bruyne?
I think that's a bit of a stretch - comparing Halil's progression against Salah & De Bruyne. Maybe a better comparison would be the dozens of players who Chelsea have loaned out who were never heard of again?

But if he appears in a top 6 PL team in the future scoring goals for fun then feel free to bump this post to show how silly I was...
 

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I think that's a bit of a stretch - comparing Halil's progression against Salah & De Bruyne. Maybe a better comparison would be the dozens of players who Chelsea have loaned out who were never heard of again?

But if he appears in a top 6 PL team in the future scoring goals for fun then feel free to bump this post to show how silly I was...
I don't agree, because Halil compares more with those two than others, because he's a regular international as they were, of a similar age, whilst a vast majority of others from Chelsea are not. So you compare as near like for like as you can. I doubt Halil will end up anywhere near what they are achieving, but there is a risk in all these deals.
 

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Galatasary are definitely a bigger club than Brentford 🤦‍♂️

We should be able to fetch a decent fee for him; Turkey international, only 22, has played in Eredivisie, Championship and the biggest club in the Süper Lig already.

He was either bought knowingly as an asset for us to trade, not to be an actual Brentford player, or he and his agent simply duped BFC and signed the deal with us for the money - with no intention of playing for us. Remember he stayed in Holland for 6 months after signing, and then a loan move to Turkey materialised in the press before he even got here.

When he has been here in those brief spells I doubt he’s impressed Frank. Some of the “on the ball” stuff is amazing but he doesn’t do the running off the ball or (probably) in training.

We’ve made the best of the situation IMO, extracting loan fees for him and seeing his value continue to rise from what we originally paid for him. It’s frustrating as a fan, because it would be great for him to just come back and be an incredible player for us in the PL. Hope I’m wrong but think it’s incredibly unlikely.
In a league where there is a premium on athleticism before you can even use what skills you have, do we think Halil's lacklustre loping running style and reluctance to defend from the front is even an option? I am afraid not. There are some players (like a Fosu) who are good when you can dominate the ball and intensity is not so necessary, and Halil is one of them. Sell with a decent sell on.
 

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In a league where there is a premium on athleticism before you can even use what skills you have, do we think Halil's lacklustre loping running style and reluctance to defend from the front is even an option? I am afraid not. There are some players (like a Fosu) who are good when you can dominate the ball and intensity is not so necessary, and Halil is one of them. Sell with a decent sell on.
He has his flaws as a player as every player on our books does - but I think this goes well beyond that.

There’s a decent player there. He just hasn’t ever seemed to want Brentford to be his permanent home, and we have never pursued that as a serious option either.

Of course I have no doubt we will sell for the right fee.
 

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He has his flaws as a player as every player on our books does - but I think this goes well beyond that.

There’s a decent player there. He just hasn’t ever seemed to want Brentford to be his permanent home, and we have never pursued that as a serious option either.

Of course I have no doubt we will sell for the right fee.
It makes me feel bad writing it- I don't like criticizing players. But whenever I have watched him I have been far from whelmed and totally puzzled as to how he would fit in.
 

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Always felt like there is a decent player in there but he’s not going to make it with us so let’s get a decent fee and move on.

As a forward, he’s nowhere near getting ahead of Toney, Mbeumo or Wissa.
 

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Wonder what happened to those Chelsea youngsters constantly loaned out before being sold, think they were call Salah & De Bruyne?
Are you serious?
Halil in the same bracket as Mo Salah and Kevin de Bruyne?
Yes he is right up there isn't he?
Those goals against Gibraltar and the Faroes certainly made headlines around the world.

Shakes head walks away.
 

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It is warming to see Halil having some success and gaining confidence
 

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Besiktas presidential election result due any day so we'll no doubt get some noises emanating from the Bosphorus.

(My money's on Dervo Dad making the first move btw).
 

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