Home Grown Players and Matchday Squad Selection Restrictions (1 Viewer)

[Banana]

With thanks to @ladbroke for his work on this.

The Law
We must name a minimum of 7 players that are Home Grown Players in the 18 strong match day squad.
1 of the above 7 Home Grown Players must be a Club Developed Player
If we do not select a Club Developed Player than we can only name 6 substitutes.

What are "Home Grown Players"

33.9 ‘Home Grown Player’ shall mean a Player who irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with:-

33.9.1 his current Club; and/or

33.9.2 a Club and/or any other football club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales,

for a period, continuous or not of three Seasons or 36 months prior to his 21 birthday (or the end of the Season during which he turns 21). For the purposes of this definition of Home Grown Player only, a Season will be deemed to commence for all Clubs on the same date as the date on which the Summer Transfer Window in that Season closes for Clubs in Leagues One and Two, and expire on the date of the final League Match of the Season.

33.10 For the purposes of Regulation 33.9.2, but not otherwise, a Player who was at all times registered with a Club (or club) affiliated to the Football Association of Wales shall be treated as having been registered with a Club (or club) affiliated to The Football Association, and vice versa.

The cut-off point for this is 2nd September (i.e. the end of transfer window for L1/L2 clubs) and ends on the final game of the season.

First Team Qualifying Players (not necessarily through us):

• David Raya
• Rico Henry
• Dru Yearwood
• Ethan Pinnock
• Sergi Canós
• Ollie Watkins
• Josh Dasilva
• Marcus Forss
• Josh Clarke
• Ellery Balcombe
• Luke Daniels
• Tom Field
• Dom Thompson

'B' Team Qualifying Players

• Reece Cole (Brentford for 7 seasons)
• Nathan Shepperd (Swansea)
• Joe Adams (Bury)
• Jaden Brissett (Norwich City)
• Jayden Onen (Arsenal & Brighton)
• Arthur Read (Luton Town)
• Cole Dasilva (Brentford for 1 season, Chelsea)
• Joe Hardy (Brentford for 2 seasons, Manchester City)
• Nick Tsaroulla (Tottenham Hotspur)

What are "Club Developed Players?

33.11 Club Developed Players. Subject to Regulation 33.12, with the effect from the commencement of the 2018/19 Season each Club shall be required to nominate at least one Club Developed Player on their Team Sheet of Players for all League Competition Matches (including Play Off Matches). Where any Club does not name a Club Developed Player on the Team Sheet, that Club will only be permitted to name up to six substitutes on that Team Sheet (rather than the seven as permitted by Regulation 33.4).

First Team Qualifying Players:

• Josh Clarke
• Ellery Balcombe
• Tom Field
• Marcus Forss
• Mads Bech Sørensen
• Jan Žambůrek

'B' Team Qualifying Players

• David Titov
• Joe Hardy
• Patrik Gunnarsson
• Jaakko Oksanen
• Reece Cole
• Matěj Majka
• Jonny Mitchell
• Justin Shaibu

So each team selection MUST contain 1 of the 5 above.

EDITS:
9/8/19: Added Dom Thompson to Home Grown Players.
10/8/19: B Team added.
4/9/19: Matched with Club list (added Shaibu, removed Cole DaSilva and Simon Andersson), also moved Zamburek to first team list.
5/9/19: Removed Mads from HG as needs to be here 3 years to qualify

 

[Banana]

The above is a work in progress, awaiting B Team promotions etc.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

Starting XI or squad for the day?

 

[Banana]

Starting XI or squad for the day?

18 man squad

 

[jbee]

So the distinction between a 'home grown' and a 'club developed' player is that the former has spent 36 months as an u21 at an English/Welsh side, whereas the latter has spent part of that at Brentford?

 

[Banana]

So the distinction between a 'home grown' and a 'club developed' player is that the former has spent 36 months as an u21 at an English/Welsh side, whereas the latter has spent part of that at Brentford?

A club-developed player is defined as one who has been registered to the club for at least a year before the end of his under-19 season.

 

[North London Bee]

A club-developed player is defined as one who has been registered to the club for at least a year before the end of his under-19 season.

so hopefully the likes of Oksanen and Zambrek qualify as Club Developed players?

 

[Banana]

so hopefully the likes of Oksanen and Zambrek qualify as Club Developed players?

Maybe. We need research here.

 

[ladbroke]

Dominic Thompson qualifies for the long list having spent time at Arsenal...

I'll upload the B team list shortly that qualify for club developed.

 

[jbee]

so hopefully the likes of Oksanen and Zambrek qualify as Club Developed players?

Giles in his transfer window interview mentioned Zamburek would become eligible as a club developed player next year.

 

[ladbroke]

BRENTFORD B TEAM...
These players qualify under the CLUB DEVELOPED label:

Cole Dasilva
David Titov
Joe Hardy
Patrik Gunnarsson
Simon Andersson
Jan Žambůrek
Jaakko Oksanen
Reece Cole
Matěj Majka
Jonny Mitchell

These have all been at the club at least 1 season and are/were 19 and under at the end of the 2018/19 so can qualify for the club developed part.

These players qualify under the HOME GROWN label having been at a club in England and/or Wales for at least 3 years before their 21st.
However, the only part I am not sure on is if their attachment to these clubs before they were 16. If that part does not count then I am stumped. If they do, then this is correct.
Also, I don't know if the player being born in England or Wales counts regardless as home grown.
Finally, if the last sentence counts, then please add Ali Coote as he was in fact born in England, but grew up in Scotland.

Reece Cole (Brentford for 7 seasons)
Nathan Shepperd (prev. Swansea)
Joe Adams (prev. Bury)
Jaden Brissett (prev. Norwich City)
Jayden Onen (prev. Arsenal & Brighton)
Arthur Read (prev. Luton Town)
Cole Dasilva (Brentford for 1 season, Chelsea prev.)
Joe Hardy (Brentford for 2 seasons, Manchester City prev.)
Nick Tsaroulla (prev. Tottenham Hotspur)

I apologise if I have missed any one out.
The information, to my knowledge, is correct after a bit of research. Only issues is what I made out with regards to home grown and whether being born/grew up in the country count and whether anything prior to 16 birthday counts.

 

[Banana]

Great work, will update the original post in due course!

 

[ladbroke]

Giles in his transfer window interview mentioned Zamburek would become eligible as a club developed player next year.

EFL rules state that "A club-developed player is defined as one who has been registered to the club for at least a year before the end of his under-19 season".
Zamburek was registered for playing with us last season, and was in his under 19 season too (he is still only 18). In fact, his U19 season is this season in which by the end of the season he'd have completed 2 years with us.

Zamburek signed on 06/08/2018. He has been with the club for 12 months now.

That would make him eligible as club developed now.

 

[larrysigny]

Thanks Ladbroke - makes it all a bit clearer (?). Glad someone else has to make squad selections.

 

[condorman]

Josh Clarke suddenly becomes a bit more important then - club developed and can cover two positions.

maybe less good news for Gunarrson with Daniels and Balcombe looking better bench options

 

[liverbee]

I wonder what the sanctions would be for a club that broke this regulation. Thank you Banana and Ladbroke btw.

 

[redsbee]

Can see the additional value in having acquired Dom Thompson.

 

[W13 Bee]

If we do not select a club developed player, and therefore have 6 subs, do we only need to pick 6 home grown players (in the now 17 man match day squad) or do we still need 7?

 

[alexcavell]

I wonder what the sanctions would be for a club that broke this regulation. Thank you Banana and Ladbroke btw.

I think we might have broken it on one occasion last year, but only received a warning

 

[Banana]

added @ladbroke's work on the B Team.

 

[zuko]

Thank you both for your work on this

 

[BFC1997]

Seems like we are well covered.

 

[rebus]

I think we might have broken it on one occasion last year, but only received a warning

Birmingham away.

 

[WisBee]

.......thanks both of you for putting in the hard yards......

 

[Mr Tree]

If we do not select a club developed player, and therefore have 6 subs, do we only need to pick 6 home grown players (in the now 17 man match day squad) or do we still need 7?

Good question - any ideas?

I wonder what the sanctions would be for a club that broke this regulation. Thank you Banana and Ladbroke btw.

Yes, this doesn't seem to be clear, and sounds like (from last year's example) it's just "should be" rather than "must be". Is that right?

 

[ladbroke]

Further information for anyone interested.

Regarding Cup Competitions:

Home Grown – Carabao Cup, EFL Trophy and FA Cup matches are exempt from the Home Grown quota.

Regarding players sent out on loan, nothing said about incoming loans (so still unclear if Sergi would count as a club developed despite being with us for 1 season before his U19 season):

For Players registered with your Club but sent out on loan, the time spent on loan will still count towards the 12 month period necessary to qualify as Club Developed.

Punishment:

Whilst the Regulation includes a built in consequence should a Club fail to name a Club Developed Player in the match day squad (i.e. reduce the number of substitutes by one), the situation could still arise where a Club fails to do that. Fixed fines are not considered appropriate for this type of breach, and any Club in breach would be charged with misconduct. The expected entry point for sanction on a first offence will be to treat the Club as having named (but not played) an ineligible player and this would ordinarily warrant a financial penalty. Where aggravating features (e.g. wilful disregard or multiple breaches) are present then more severe sanctions would be appropriate.

 

[HertfordBee]

maybe less good news for Gunarrson with Daniels and Balcombe looking better bench options

Surely it’s the opposite... if Gunnarsson is classified as ‘club home grown’, he’s the obvious choice for the bench?

And Luka Racic hasn’t been mentioned. He must be ‘club home grown too’?

 

[brighton bee]

Does this now mean that Josh Clarke or Jan Žambůrek must be on the bench every game? As the other home grown options are nowhere near the first team.

Maybe Gunnarsson could be the sub keeper if we are desperate.

 

[North London Bee]

Is Racic a club developed player?

 

[Mr Tree]

Does this now mean that Josh Clarke or Jan Žambůrek must be on the bench every game? As the other home grown options are nowhere near the first team.

Maybe Gunnarsson could be the sub keeper if we are desperate.

keep in mind that it really doesn't matter - the "penalty" is not having anyone on the bench instead (only 6 subs, not 7). it's hardly a problem.

 

[Mr Tree]

And Luka Racic hasn’t been mentioned. He must be ‘club home grown too’?

Is Racic a club developed player?

moved here 14 months ago, so well short of the 36 months mentioned... but...

A club-developed player is defined as one who has been registered to the club for at least a year before the end of his under-19 season.

the question (i suppose) would be, what does THAT mean?

also in the first post: "1 of the above 7 Home Grown Players must be a Club Developed Player" - i don't see that that's actually written in the regulation? could Racic (or another) meet the "Club Developed" criteria without being "home grown" :scratch:

 

[Humblebee]

moved here 14 months ago, so well short of the 36 months mentioned... but...



the question (i suppose) would be, what does THAT mean? :

I suppose it depends how "his under-19 season" is defined.

 

[Rubenhutchinson]

I suppose it depends how "his under-19 season" is defined.

I think it's 'season in which he turns 19'

 

[Humblebee]

I think it's 'season in which he turns 19'

Fair enough, but on what date does the season end? Racic was born on 8/5/1999 and so his under-19 season may have ended in May 2018.

 

[Banana]

I suppose it depends how "his under-19 season" is defined.

From the Standard Code of Rules for Youth Competitions

Youth Football
Under 11 – the player must have attained the age of 10 but must be under the age of 11
by midnight 31st August in the playing season if the format of football is 11v11. If the format
provided is 9v9, the player must have attained the age of 9 but must be under 11 as at
midnight on 31st August in the playing season.
Under 12 – the player must be under the age of 12 as at midnight on 31st August in the playing season.
Under 13 – the player must be under the age of 13 as at midnight on 31st August in the playing season.
Under 14 – the player must be under the age of 14 as at midnight on 31st August in the playing season.
Under 15 – the player must be under the age of 15 as at midnight on 31st August in the playing season.
Under 16 – the player must be under the age of 16 as at midnight on 31st August in the playing season.
Under 18 – the player must be under the age of 18 as at midnight on 31st August in the playing season
Under 17 – the player must be under the age of 17 as at midnight on 31st August in the playing season.
Under 18 – the player must be under the age of 18 as at midnight on 31st August in the playing season.

I suppose we can infer the rule for Under 19s....

 

[Humblebee]

From the Standard Code of Rules for Youth Competitions



I suppose we can infer the rule for Under 19s....

Agreed, but does that mean "his under-19 season" lasts until the end of the season in which he is under 19 on the previous 31 August? And when does that season end - on the last day of the regular season?

 

[Overseasfan]

Call me an old fart if you like - "you are an old fart" - but four subs in enough: one goalie, one defender, one midfielder, and a forward. Daft.

 

[Banana]

OK. I've "asked the club" and this is the authoritative situation on the "Club Developed Player" definition:

• A Club Developed Player means a Player who has been registered with the relevant Club for a minimum of 12 months prior to the end of his U19 season (U19 season is deemed to be the season in which the player turns 19 and concludes on 31st August).
• A 12 month registration period can be constituted of multiple registration periods (e.g. a player leaves after 6 months and then returns for another 6 months)
• Development time for players on loan is allocated to the parent club (not the club to which the player is loaned).
• A player could be a CDP for more than one Club if he has been registered for the required time at more than one Club.
• Registration Types included to calculate registration duration are: - Academy, Scholarship, Contract, Contract (Multiplicity), Contract (Monthly Extended) and Contract (Weekly)

Our current CDP are:

• Ellery Balcombe
• Josh Clarke
• Tom Field
• Marcus Forss
• Patrik Gunnarsson
• Justin Shaibu
• Mads Bech Sorensen
• Jan Zamburek
• Reece Cole
• Joe Hardy
• Matej Majka
• Jonathan Mitchell
• Jaakko Oksanen
• David Titov

 

[Humblebee]

OK. I've "asked the club" and this is the authoritative situation on the "Club Developed Player" definition:

We seem to be ok then, even allowing for those players who are out on loan or in the 'B' team.

 

[Mr Cynical]

OK. I've "asked the club" and this is the authoritative situation on the "Club Developed Player" definition:

So would seem to make an awful lot of sense to have Gunnarsson on the bench most games?

 

[Banana]

First post in this thread updated.

 

[North London Bee]

Racic?

 

[Banana]

On the discrepancies between the original GPG list:

• Cole Dasilva was 19 when we signed him so too old to qualify. He is automatically home grown.
• Mads Bech Sorensen isn't home grown as he needs to be here 3 years to qualify.

And on the one we missed:

Shaibu:

Born 28 Oct 1997.
Signed July 2016.
Age on signing: 18.
U19 Season ends: 31st August 2017
​

So he had been here 13 months at end of his U19 season, so qualifies.


There's also upcoming CDPs as follows:

Simon Andersson on 22nd September 2019
Jayden Onen on 20th December 2019
Jaden Brissett on 26th January 2020
Frederik Hammar on 29th January 2020
Gustav Mogensen on 31st January 2020

 

[ladbroke]

On the discrepancies between the original GPG list:

• Cole Dasilva was 19 when we signed him so too old to qualify. He is automatically home grown.
• Mads Bech Sorensen isn't home grown as he needs to be here 3 years to qualify.

And on the one we missed:

Shaibu:

Born 28 Oct 1997.
Signed July 2016.
Age on signing: 18.
U19 Season ends: 31st August 2017
​

So he had been here 13 months at end of his U19 season, so qualifies.


There's also upcoming CDPs as follows:

Simon Andersson on 22nd September 2019
Jayden Onen on 20th December 2019
Jaden Brissett on 26th January 2020
Frederik Hammar on 29th January 2020
Gustav Mogensen on 31st January 2020

I obviously misread the situation/rule with regards to Sorensen, but didn't think I was wrong with Cole as he is still home grown and been with us for at least a year.
Weren't bad effort.

 

[Banana]

I obviously misread the situation/rule with regards to Sorensen, but didn't think I was wrong with Cole as he is still home grown and been with us for at least a year.
Weren't bad effort.

Cole is Home Grown, just not a CDP

Reckon the overall GPG effort was surprisingly accurate. And special thanks to you @ladbroke

 

[Mr Cynical]

Racic?

According to the OS he was 19 when he signed last summer

 

[Overseasfan]

Thanks!

 

[HaylingBee74]

I am struggling to find a decent link for it. Nothing in EFL news yet, but there is to be a squad limit of 25 players. Those 25 must include 8 homegrown players. Only having 6 homegrown players would force the squad to be reduced to 23

Looking at our current squad, I see 6 homegrown providing none of these are sold and 2 other squad players:-

Henry, Goode, Pinnock, Watkins, Dasilva & Fosu are the 6. With Thompson and Daniels being the other 2. However if Henry or Watkins are sold it would mean ideally they would need to be replaced by homegrown players

 

[wanderer paul]

I am struggling to find a decent link for it. Nothing in EFL news yet, but there is to be a squad limit of 25 players. Those 25 must include 8 homegrown players. Only having 6 homegrown players would force the squad to be reduced to 23

Looking at our current squad, I see 6 homegrown providing none of these are sold and 2 other squad players:-

Henry, Goode, Pinnock, Watkins, Dasilva & Fosu are the 6. With Thompson and Daniels being the other 2. However if Henry or Watkins are sold it would mean ideally they would need to be replaced by homegrown players

Raya, Baptiste, Thompson, Henry, Goode, Watkins, Dasilva, Daniels and Canos (?) are home grown. Even Zamburek, Sorensen and Roerslev may come under homegrown this season.

9 plus 3. Should be fine.

 

[HaylingBee74]

Raya, Baptiste, Thompson, Henry, Goode, Watkins, Dasilva, Daniels and Canos (?) are home grown. Even Zamburek, Sorensen and Roerslev may come under homegrown this season.

9 plus 3. Should be fine.

Ok thanks ��