How good will our new stadium be

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I have just returned from a day at the Amex in Brighton on business. I have to say it's very nice with great facilities. It got me thinking if ours will be as good. I know that we will be a bit smaller in capacity, but if it the new stadium is anywhere as good, we are going to be in for a real treat.
 

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Brian Burgess is a big fan of The Amex and refers to it a lot.
 

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The Amex is very nice. I like the Liberty and to some degree Stadium MK was decent enough even though it had no atmosphere due to it being half empty.
 

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The Amex is very nice. I like the Liberty and to some degree Stadium MK was decent enough even though it had no atmosphere due to it being half empty.

MK is a grey, concrete soul less place made even worse by having non football divs for fans and hence no atmosphere.
 

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However good it will be it will be a whole lot better if we can have safe standing in it.

Good facilities are important but atmosphere and character define a good stadium, very few modern stadiums have them.
 

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The Amex is very nice. I like the Liberty and to some degree Stadium MK was decent enough even though it had no atmosphere due to it being half empty.

I thought stadium mk was alright too. When full of proper fans it would probably have a decent atmosphere. Didn't like the urinal style bars though.
 

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However good it will be it will be a whole lot better if we can safe standing in it.

Well, we know MB is keen so if it is feasible within the regulations it will likely happen.
 

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MK is a grey, concrete soul less place made even worse by having non football divs for fans and hence no atmosphere.

I liked the Stadia, If we get anything like that, then Brentford would have finally made it..
 

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amex is good ground but the location is just rubbish.....absolutely nothing near it and the station is far too close....so close it causes lots of problems after the game.....a station should be a minimum of half a mile away to let the crowds disperse to get there...this one is virtually outside their home end.....so bad that the club keep the bars in the ground open for an hour after as its just not worth the queue for the train ;)

mk is decent ground but no atmosphere,,,,could be different if they get a proper home support

our new ground looks like it will be a good stadium with the vital bit being its in a great area still.......theres no minus points for me
 

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From the designs and pictures it seems quite a unique staduim with one larger main stand, dipped shallow corners but then quite high tiers behind each goal, I'm really hoping that this will create a special feel with real character rather than the 'bowl' style that has been so popular in the last 10 years or so. Also with it still being close to the town and residential areas it should keep a similar feel to Griffin park and not a soulless out of town set up.
 

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Salfordcity rugby the same people are building that .. its sh*t (

I assume you are referring to AFL who are the architects not the builders. AFL have designed a large amount of new stadia and expansions in the UK and Europe.
 

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Isn't there a thread for all this stuff already?? MODS... :fishing:
 

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One of the main reasons The Amex keeps the bars open is down to the car parking exit arrangements which means that 'Park & Ride' plus supporters coaches are prioritised.

The car park is closed from the 70th minute of the game until 45 minutes from full time.

From Brighton & Hove Albion website.

So, with effect from our home match over the week-end of 8/9 March 2014, we will be implementing the following changes and measures to existing parking arrangements:

- Departure from the Amex of the club’s park-and-ride buses and supporter coaches will be prioritised immediately after the final whistle.

- As such, and in line with the majority of stadium car parks around the country, the club’s own Bennett’s Field and VIP car parks will be closed from the 70th minute of the match (for both weekday and weekend fixtures) until a minimum of 45 minutes after the final whistle (the club’s safety officer will authorise the opening of these car parks as soon after this point as he considers it safe to do so). We expect that, with the majority of buses and coaches clear by this time, traffic flows away from Bennett’s Field and VIP car parks will be considerably easier and faster.

Read more at http://www.seagulls.co.uk/news/article/parking-at-the-amex-1377361.aspx#cWe3RZhevtpc2PqS.99
 

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The Amex is very nice. I like the Liberty and to some degree Stadium MK was decent enough even though it had no atmosphere due to it being half empty.

I dont like the MK stadium......the actual viewing area is fine, but the concourse is open and the bar area was crap. Having such an open concourse meant it was ffffreezing and the bar area was behind a load of site screens from an office building. I hope ours is better than that
 

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MK is a grey, concrete soul less place made even worse by having non football divs for fans and hence no atmosphere.

To be honest the thing i disliked about it was the location. I thought the concourse was nice and open. Its designed well but has a souless club playing at it. Im sure if we had a stadium like it we would give it some character.
 

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I dont like the MK stadium......the actual viewing area is fine, but the concourse is open and the bar area was crap. Having such an open concourse meant it was ffffreezing and the bar area was behind a load of site screens from an office building. I hope ours is better than that

Agree about the bars, there wasnt much thought behind them and could be so much better. But i liked the large open concourse we made a decent atmosphere at half time last year. Its often the fans that make a stadium which MK doesnt have.
 

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Agree about the bars, there wasnt much thought behind them and could be so much better. But i liked the large open concourse we made a decent atmosphere at half time last year. Its often the fans that make a stadium which MK doesnt have.

Although it's nice to have an open concourse, the fact you can't drink in view of a Football Match in this country makes it a complete waste. It could have been designed better. I think the Outlets at Lionel Road will be on the pitch side of the concourse, so although there won't be much daylight every one will be together.
 

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Although it's nice to have an open concourse, the fact you can't drink in view of a Football Match in this country makes it a complete waste. It could have been designed better. I think the Outlets at Lionel Road will be on the pitch side of the concourse, so although there won't be much daylight every one will be together.

Fair point about the waste of space and Mk can get away with it due to the plot they built on. I still liked the fact that the concourse was nice and open and was open to the pitch with some daylight.
 

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To be honest the thing i disliked about it was the location. I thought the concourse was nice and open. Its designed well but has a souless club playing at it. Im sure if we had a stadium like it we would give it some character.

Possibly but half empty it feels like too much concrete and not enough character . Sure we can and will do much better with more red and white and make it feel like you're in Brentfords ground not some multi storey car park with a football pitch in the middle.
 

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Possibly but half empty it feels like too much concrete and not enough character . Sure we can and will do much better with more red and white and make it feel like you're in Brentfords ground not some multi storey car park with a football pitch in the middle.

Yeah it does feel very carpark like but i think thats down to the location more then anything else. But hey ho i think LR will be the nuts as it will be situated in a good location.
 

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Its often the fans that make a stadium which MK doesnt have.
Not "often", but virtually every time, in my experience.

To take two examples from a few years back, I went to Fratton Park and The Den (old) as a neutral and despite both grounds being a dump, the atmosphere was blinding. More recently, I was at The Britannia (modern, unexceptional, middle of nowhere), and the Stokies were brilliant. The Stadium of Light the same.

Or you go to Wembley for an England game and it can like be a morgue, whereas eg an FA Cup Semi-Final can be wonderful.

Not meaning to take the thread further off-topic, but I think the real problem with these new stadia is not the design but the ticket prices.

That is, the traditional, working class neighbourhood supporters are being priced out, to be replaced by a more affluent, middle-class breed of fan.

And age (earning potential) also comes into it. Pre-Taylor Report, and young lads were far more likely to get into even the biggest games at the biggest clubs, because tickets were cheap (esp the terraces) and you could queue up on the day. And it is teenagers/early 20's who tend to "lead" the singing and chanting etc.

P.S. I am making no comment on the rights or wrongs of these changes, it's just how I see it.
 

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Not "often", but virtually every time, in my experience.

To take two examples from a few years back, I went to Fratton Park and The Den (old) as a neutral and despite both grounds being a dump, the atmosphere was blinding. More recently, I was at The Britannia (modern, unexceptional, middle of nowhere), and the Stokies were brilliant. The Stadium of Light the same.

Or you go to Wembley for an England game and it can like be a morgue, whereas eg an FA Cup Semi-Final can be wonderful.

Not meaning to take the thread further off-topic, but I think the real problem with these new stadia is not the design but the ticket prices.

That is, the traditional, working class neighbourhood supporters are being priced out, to be replaced by a more affluent, middle-class breed of fan.

And age (earning potential) also comes into it. Pre-Taylor Report, and young lads were far more likely to get into even the biggest games at the biggest clubs, because tickets were cheap (esp the terraces) and you could queue up on the day. And it is teenagers/early 20's who tend to "lead" the singing and chanting etc.

P.S. I am making no comment on the rights or wrongs of these changes, it's just how I see it.

Some fair comments there.
 

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Gonna miss the terrace :(

I with you there Aberdeenbee, I moved over from the New Road about 3 years back as I realised the new stadium dream was starting to look like a reality and I thought hold on a moment if I don't get over to the Ealing Road I may never end up standing up supporting the mighty bees again.

Been loving every minute of being back in the Ealing Road should have done it years ago....WE'RE THE LEFT SIDE WE'RE THE LEFT SIDE WE'RE THE LEFT SIDE EALING RD!
 

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The stadium will be as good as the fans make it. The Emirates is a great stadium but whenever I have been there on corporate jollies, I have found it soulless.
 

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The club seems to be getting most things right these days, so every reason to be optimistic that the new ground will be what we all hope it to be. I agree that safe standing is likely to make the biggest impact in terms of the atmosphere (IMO standing has always been safe, it is overcrowding which is dangerous and even then only when compounded by inept policing.)
 

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Still would like each corner inside to be where the bars are and to have them in a pub theme and name them after each of our pubs, and still keep the only ground with a pub on each corner.
 

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Still would like each corner inside to be where the bars are and to have them in a pub theme and name them after each of our pubs, and still keep the only ground with a pub on each corner.

Agree with this, would be great to have airport style pubs in the four corners of the ground as opposed to sh*tty wembley style beer stalls.
 

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Still would like each corner inside to be where the bars are and to have them in a pub theme and name them after each of our pubs, and still keep the only ground with a pub on each corner.

And sell London Pride
 

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Not "often", but virtually every time, in my experience.

To take two examples from a few years back, I went to Fratton Park and The Den (old) as a neutral and despite both grounds being a dump, the atmosphere was blinding. More recently, I was at The Britannia (modern, unexceptional, middle of nowhere), and the Stokies were brilliant. The Stadium of Light the same.

Or you go to Wembley for an England game and it can like be a morgue, whereas eg an FA Cup Semi-Final can be wonderful.

Not meaning to take the thread further off-topic, but I think the real problem with these new stadia is not the design but the ticket prices.

That is, the traditional, working class neighbourhood supporters are being priced out, to be replaced by a more affluent, middle-class breed of fan.

And age (earning potential) also comes into it. Pre-Taylor Report, and young lads were far more likely to get into even the biggest games at the biggest clubs, because tickets were cheap (esp the terraces) and you could queue up on the day. And it is teenagers/early 20's who tend to "lead" the singing and chanting etc.

P.S. I am making no comment on the rights or wrongs of these changes, it's just how I see it.

good post, the most sensible one you've ever written ;)
 

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Agree with this, would be great to have airport style pubs in the four corners of the ground as opposed to sh*tty wembley style beer stalls.

agree most wholeheartidly, this must be the case as i for one will not stand in some souless community club style drinking establishment with no character or design input.....i really hope bfc look into this properly and dont just have it as add on when it comes to being done....i want to see some proper plans and pics in advance:sorted:

its probably as important as the actual ground itself to many :thetruth::thetruth:
 

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And sell London Pride

The grand reopening of the Express tavern is a good start................ another on each corner of the new site (as it will have 3) will bring us back to what we actually want.............. all real ale pubs, obviously
 

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agree most wholeheartidly, this must be the case as i for one will not stand in some souless community club style drinking establishment with no character or design input.....i really hope bfc look into this properly and dont just have it as add on when it comes to being done....i want to see some proper plans and pics in advance:sorted:

its probably as important as the actual ground itself to many :thetruth::thetruth:

Well it is if they want us to drink in the ground rather than the nearby pubs before the game!
 

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amex is good ground but the location is just rubbish.....absolutely nothing near it and the station is far too close....so close it causes lots of problems after the game.....a station should be a minimum of half a mile away to let the crowds disperse to get there...this one is virtually outside their home end.....so bad that the club keep the bars in the ground open for an hour after as its just not worth the queue for the train ;)

mk is decent ground but no atmosphere,,,,could be different if they get a proper home support

our new ground looks like it will be a good stadium with the vital bit being its in a great area still.......theres no minus points for me

Speaking of stations, at LR Kew Bridge station will be right next to the ground. Its also tiny...
 

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Speaking of stations, at LR Kew Bridge station will be right next to the ground. Its also tiny...
There was talk in the early days that Network Rail would do some additional development, as well as re-opening the old underpass that was (I think) originally an access for goods to Brentford Market. The station itself ISTR is listed. Perhaps we need an additional platform for segregation of away fans!
 

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There was talk in the early days that Network Rail would do some additional development, as well as re-opening the old underpass that was (I think) originally an access for goods to Brentford Market. The station itself ISTR is listed. Perhaps we need an additional platform for segregation of away fans!

And for those that wish to sit!
 

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Hate the Britannia, nice long walk by the incineration plant to get there, across endless pedestrian bridges, feeling like you're almost within touching distance and then having to double back... made me feel like I was in the rat-maze of Ikea.

I guess the problem with most stadia is that the same few firms design them, so they tend to be a bit..the same. Important to know where you are when you're in the ground, has to be something about it that's distinctive and has some character. Then it'll feel like our home, and not just like we're 'customers'. Maybe by that point we'll be able to have holographs of the four pubs at each corner of the ground!
 

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There was talk in the early days that Network Rail would do some additional development, as well as re-opening the old underpass that was (I think) originally an access for goods to Brentford Market. The station itself ISTR is listed. Perhaps we need an additional platform for segregation of away fans!

There'll need to be some development there otherwise it'd be better off walking the 15mins to Brentford station...

:idea: how about a monorail?
 

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That is, the traditional, working class neighbourhood supporters are being priced out, to be replaced by a more affluent, middle-class breed of fan.

I agree pretty much with this, but I think you have to distinguish between the 'middle class' 'Johnny-come-latelys' and those who have been following their teams for years. I have known some very passionate middle class fans in my time!!!
 

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Agree with this, would be great to have airport style pubs in the four corners of the ground as opposed to sh*tty wembley style beer stalls.

Totally agree. We 100% need some character with the facilities at LR and the club has the opportunity to make this happen.
 

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I hope the acoustics work. Admittedly it was a full house and a special occasion but the loudest noise I've ever heard from a crowd was Mo winning in the London Olympic Stadium.
 

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I hope the acoustics work. Admittedly it was a full house and a special occasion but the loudest noise I've ever heard from a crowd was Mo winning in the London Olympic Stadium.

I take it you missed barnet away a few years ago :fishing:
 
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