How will/should LR and other stadiums open/reopen to fans? (1 Viewer)

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Does the very limited space when you exit enter the stand not make it more difficult?
There's not much more space elsewhere. With no away fans and a managed number exiting at any time, half the North Stand can be directed towards the east and half to the west. The South and West will require more flow planning, especially for those going to the station.
 

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There's not much more space elsewhere. With no away fans and a managed number exiting at any time, half the North Stand can be directed towards the east and half to the west. The South and West will require more flow planning, especially for those going to the station.
Given that the posh entertainment facilities are in the South Stand it would make sense to not let them out until the West Stand has emptied. Without away fans the East and North Stands could empty to the East at the same time. The distances to walk would pretty much sort out the queuing for the station on their own (assuming the train timetables are as before, getting to Kew Bridge in time for the first London train after full time would be much easier, the next one will be about to arrive just as the N/E fans get there and the one after that will be just fine for S Stand Poshos to have knocked back a post match Aperol Spritz).
 

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“The road is narrow...”

Have people ventured out recently? Shops? Trains? Buses?

There isn’t an issue. A one way in and out wouldn’t be hard to implement.

Closing the bars wouldn’t/shouldn’t be an issue. (Especially if it means we get back to watch football)

You’re there to watch football.

Drink in a pub before and after.

If you’re worried, then don’t go to Lionel Road until C-19 is over, there’s a vaccine or you’re prepared to take that risk.

Work at Heathrow...... there’s no social distancing. No segregation in the terminal. Everyone sits near each other on the plane.

I see no issue to opening up grounds to a limited capacity. None at all. Especially Lionel Road!
 

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“The road is narrow...”

Have people ventured out recently? Shops? Trains? Buses?

There isn’t an issue. A one way in and out wouldn’t be hard to implement.

Closing the bars wouldn’t/shouldn’t be an issue. (Especially if it means we get back to watch football)

You’re there to watch football.

Drink in a pub before and after.

If you’re worried, then don’t go to Lionel Road until C-19 is over, there’s a vaccine or you’re prepared to take that risk.

Work at Heathrow...... there’s no social distancing. No segregation in the terminal. Everyone sits near each other on the plane.

I see no issue to opening up grounds to a limited capacity. None at all. Especially Lionel Road!
I am not worried, but just a comment that the road looks narrow, it appears narrower than New Road (which has pavements), just my opinion that people would come in groups unless made
to go in single file well apart.
 

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I am not worried, but just a comment that the road looks narrow, it appears narrower than New Road (which has pavements), just my opinion that people would come in groups unless made
to go in single file well apart.
Probably in one end and out the other. Perfectly doable it seems to this poster.
 

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More than 11,000 fans, including our Premium Seat Members, have now secured their seats in our new stadium. We can also announce that more than 10,000 of these seats are General Admission and Premium Season Tickets, in ‘The Dugout’.

The government has released initial guidance on planning for social distancing in sports grounds. This may, if all goes well, allow fans into our new stadium to watch games before the end of 2020, but this is yet to be confirmed.

We now know the first matches at our new stadium will be behind closed doors and, following that, the attendance will be restricted so that social distancing can be maintained. At this moment in time, government advice states that the earliest that fans could return to football stadia is 1 October. We are working through this guidance so that plans can be drawn up to get as many supporters as we can into our matches within the EFL and government guidelines. As with the five games missed at the end of the 2019/20 season, a plan is being developed for the 2020/21 campaign that delivers what fans want – access to The Bees - and minimises the need to issue refunds, helping to protect our Club. Further details will be announced in due course once we have greater clarification from the EFL and government.

Restricted access to games under a limited stadium capacity scenario will be given to 2020/21 Season Ticket Holders who have paid for their seats in full. We do not envisage the reduced capacity scenario enabling all 2020/21 Season Ticket and Premium Seat Holders access to the stadium for every game, therefore plans are being developed on the fairest way to admit our supporters on a rotation basis. Clearly the level of rotation will depend on the reduced capacity limits imposed on the Club.

A limited number of Season Tickets remain, and any new supporters who wish to become a Season Ticket Holder can reserve their seat but will be ineligible to attend our reduced capacity games.

We will be working through our Waiting List in sign-up order and, subject to availability, supporters will be able to pay a holding deposit for their seat. Once social distancing restrictions have been lifted and we can host matches at full capacity, the remaining payment will be due.

Similarly, the very small number of fans who are yet to pay for their 2020/21 Season Tickets in full will also be unable to attend games in a reduced capacity scenario, unless these are paid in full by 31 August 2020.


https://www.brentfordfc.com/news/2020/august/202021-season---fans-attending-matches-update/
 

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More than 11,000 fans, including our Premium Seat Members, have now secured their seats in our new stadium. We can also announce that more than 10,000 of these seats are General Admission and Premium Season Tickets, in ‘The Dugout’.

The government has released initial guidance on planning for social distancing in sports grounds. This may, if all goes well, allow fans into our new stadium to watch games before the end of 2020, but this is yet to be confirmed.

We now know the first matches at our new stadium will be behind closed doors and, following that, the attendance will be restricted so that social distancing can be maintained. At this moment in time, government advice states that the earliest that fans could return to football stadia is 1 October. We are working through this guidance so that plans can be drawn up to get as many supporters as we can into our matches within the EFL and government guidelines. As with the five games missed at the end of the 2019/20 season, a plan is being developed for the 2020/21 campaign that delivers what fans want – access to The Bees - and minimises the need to issue refunds, helping to protect our Club. Further details will be announced in due course once we have greater clarification from the EFL and government.

Restricted access to games under a limited stadium capacity scenario will be given to 2020/21 Season Ticket Holders who have paid for their seats in full. We do not envisage the reduced capacity scenario enabling all 2020/21 Season Ticket and Premium Seat Holders access to the stadium for every game, therefore plans are being developed on the fairest way to admit our supporters on a rotation basis. Clearly the level of rotation will depend on the reduced capacity limits imposed on the Club.

A limited number of Season Tickets remain, and any new supporters who wish to become a Season Ticket Holder can reserve their seat but will be ineligible to attend our reduced capacity games.

We will be working through our Waiting List in sign-up order and, subject to availability, supporters will be able to pay a holding deposit for their seat.
Once social distancing restrictions have been lifted and we can host matches at full capacity, the remaining payment will be due.


https://www.brentfordfc.com/news/2020/august/202021-season---fans-attending-matches-update/
Season Ticket Holders who have NOT PAID IN FULL need to pay up by the 31/08 ,

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Similarly , the very small number of fans who are yet to pay for their 2020/21 Season Tickets in full will also be unable to attend games in a reduced capacity scenario, unless these are paid in full by 31 August 2020. Please contact reservations@brentfordfc.com to make your final payment.
 
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In terms of staggering attendance would it make sense to look at evening games where quite a few season ticket holders might be less likely to attend.
 

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So let's say ST holders are allocated every other game (ish) are we getting a 50% refund or perhaps ifollow for the games not allocated to our ST + an offer of 50% off the following season?
 
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So let's say ST holders are allocated every other game (ish) are we getting a 50% refund or perhaps ifollow for the games not allocated to our ST + an offer of 50% off the following season?
It sounds like we’re getting ifollow and nothing else
 

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It sounds like we’re getting ifollow and nothing else
I read it more as they don’t know yet. For example, we get to October and have limited capacity, all goes well across the country and we have full capacities again, I imagine they’d be in a position to retrospectively refund all ST holders for all games they weren’t able to attend.

However, if Oct get delayed to January, then we have a second wave nightmare winter and attendances are minimal all season I imagine, whilst the clamour first refunds would be higher, the clubs financial position would be worse.

I think this is intended as a holding statement saying we’ll get as many people in as soon as possible, will try and aim to give viewing access (ifollow etc) to everyone for all games but anything over and above that still to be determined.
 

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I’m not sure they can say much more at the moment in what’s an ever changing reopening or tightening of lockdown. We could be looking at further capacity increase in November and December or another tightening of rules.
My issue is will I get the same games as my kids who couldn’t attend without me. Just can’t trust the system putting families together
 
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Replying to the post saying the number of positive tests had gone up, I said the overall number of tests has gone up and that is why the number of positive tests have gone up.

Completely relevant to post I was replying to.

You just can’t help yourself can you, having sly digs to every post I make, why don’t you have a day off.
Positive cases up but tests slightly down which isn’t good news, particularly a sizeable increase in positive “pillar one” tests.
 

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It sounds like we’re getting ifollow and nothing else
Presumably with away games included again? I think the club has a problem as it was taking money for STs post-lockdown when it was not clear that there would be any actual games to attend. I think they need to offer more than a rota system and iFollow, possibly a future ST discount. As a senior, I wouldn't get much of a refund per game anyway and would probably settle for iFollow although I'm not certain if I will attend any games at the moment until the safety aspects are made clear. There are people who have been hit hard by the economic effects of Covid and the club should be considering them seriously.
 

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It sounds like we’re getting ifollow and nothing else
That would be a proper piss take. Understand cash flow issues for the club should the worst happen, but a future discount or refund should be the minimum.
 

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Just imagine the PL saying that Man United are only going to be allowed 15 percent of 10,000 which is the minimum capacity for a P L club and not 15 percent of 75,000

Well this is what the FA have told Non League clubs !!!

http://www.fc-utd.co.uk/story.php?story_id=8749
Point is that until a couple of days ago none of these clubs knew when they were starting as they weren't prepared to start without fans so there were all sorts of scenarios on the table. This scheme I suspect is massive news and great relief to hundreds of non league clubs. I understand Step 2 clubs have applied for the same numbers. FC united and South Shields are the unlucky losers as their support base are made up of disgruntled united and Sunderland fans.
 

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News from Scotland:
"Fans could return to Scottish football as early as this weekend if approval is given at a meeting on Wednesday.

Celtic are hoping to get the green light to use Sunday's Scottish Premiership match against Motherwell at Celtic Park as a test event.

The proposal is for up to 1,000 Celtic fans to attend."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53913896

And from further afield:
"The Uefa Super Cup could be attended by about 20,000 fans in Budapest as a trial, Europe's governing body has confirmed.

European champions Bayern Munich will face Europa League winners Sevilla at the 68,000-seater Puskas Arena on Thursday, 24 September.

Uefa said "up to 30% of the capacity of the stadium" would be allowed.

A statement said it is 'in order to study precisely the impact of fans on the Uefa Return to Play Protocol'."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53907771

They're obviously desperate to fast-forward plans to get fans back into stadia, but 20k in Budapest?

I could see a lot of Bayern fans, at least, wanting to travel to this game. And never mind the problems in maintaining social isolation inside the stadium, and/or getting in and out of it, having thousands of Germans travelling to Hungary and spending a day or two in Budapest must be very risky.

Unless, of course, the German and/or Hungarian governments are banning travel between the two?

In which case I can't see them getting 20k Hungarians to bother buying a ticket for this game.
 

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News from Scotland:
"Fans could return to Scottish football as early as this weekend if approval is given at a meeting on Wednesday.

Celtic are hoping to get the green light to use Sunday's Scottish Premiership match against Motherwell at Celtic Park as a test event.

The proposal is for up to 1,000 Celtic fans to attend."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53913896

And from further afield:
"The Uefa Super Cup could be attended by about 20,000 fans in Budapest as a trial, Europe's governing body has confirmed.

European champions Bayern Munich will face Europa League winners Sevilla at the 68,000-seater Puskas Arena on Thursday, 24 September.

Uefa said "up to 30% of the capacity of the stadium" would be allowed.

A statement said it is 'in order to study precisely the impact of fans on the Uefa Return to Play Protocol'."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53907771

They're obviously desperate to fast-forward plans to get fans back into stadia, but 20k in Budapest?

I could see a lot of Bayern fans, at least, wanting to travel to this game. And never mind the problems in maintaining social isolation inside the stadium, and/or getting in and out of it, having thousands of Germans travelling to Hungary and spending a day or two in Budapest must be very risky.

Unless, of course, the German and/or Hungarian governments are banning travel between the two?

In which case I can't see them getting 20k Hungarians to bother buying a ticket for this game.
....personally....the more the merrier in Parkhead.
 

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News from Scotland:
"Fans could return to Scottish football as early as this weekend if approval is given at a meeting on Wednesday.

Celtic are hoping to get the green light to use Sunday's Scottish Premiership match against Motherwell at Celtic Park as a test event.

The proposal is for up to 1,000 Celtic fans to attend."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53913896
Oh well...

"Celtic's plan to use Sunday's Scottish Premiership game with Motherwell as a test event with fans has been rejected by the Scottish government."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53913896
 

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Brighton allow some supporters in.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/53921797

Brighton's pre-season friendly on Sunday will allow spectators in to the Amex Stadium as part of the government's latest pilot scheme.
 

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well yes as their players broke the rules , not really a shock.

i reckon west ham v Bees :sorted:
Yes please!!! And priorty tickets to BFC season ticket holders who live in Essex and have to put up with WH nonsense every day....:sorted:
 

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Yes please!!! And priorty tickets to BFC season ticket holders who live in Essex and have to put up with WH nonsense every day....:sorted:
and maybe the self confessed Hammer/Bee on here can switch ends at half time!!
 

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I'm down in Sussex today and on BBC radio Sussex they just confirmed Brighton v Chelsea this weekend 2,500 supporters will be permitted in. ST holders only, masks to be worn, no one to sit together. Ticket to be scanned from phone. Didn't say how the 2,500 would be chosen or what happens if you dont have a smart phone!
 
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I fear that with rising case numbers across Europe much of this discussion regarding any early return to grounds is academic. Germany has now abandoned plans to allow supporters back in October and confirmed there will be no live attendance this year.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ny-bans-large-events-amid-rise-in-covid-cases
You may be right though I expect the PL has more influence and power than the Bundesliga.

I do fully expect the mooted 1 October return to be pushed back though.
 

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If this lockdown of stadiums goes on much longer, perhaps the club will have to organise a "Welcome to Lionel Road" tour, in the style of "Farewell to Griffin Park".
Otherwise we may never get to see the new ground this season!!!
 

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If this lockdown of stadiums goes on much longer, perhaps the club will have to organise a "Welcome to Lionel Road" tour, in the style of "Farewell to Griffin Park".
Otherwise we may never get to see the new ground this season!!!
You've got 50 years to have a tour of Lionel Road
 

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Just called the club to enquire about the policy moving towards. I was not impressed with their reply. A questions asking if I would be offered a refund as I do not wish to watch matches on IFollow, was met with a completely different tone of voice, almost like I had asked for my season ticket for free and for the employee to wash my car too.

As a long standing loyal support, that has three kids and an average salary, I wish to refunded for the games I cannot attend.

I also asked if I could be refunded for the Birmingham game as it was on TV, so no need for Ifollow. I was told I would not be refunded.

Shame, I know this is hard for everybody but please dont leave me with a sour taste in my mouth for the football club I love.
 
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Just called the club to enquire about the policy moving towards. I was not impressed with their reply. A questions asking if I would be offered a refund as I do not wish to watch matches on IFollow, was met with a completely different tone of voice, almost like I had asked for my season ticket for free and for the employee to wash my car too.

As a long standing loyal support, that has three kids and an average salary, I wish to refunded for the games I cannot attend.

I also asked if I could be refunded for the Birmingham game as it was on TV, so no need for Ifollow. I was told I would not be refunded.

Shame, I know this is hard for everybody but please dont leave me with a sour taste in my mouth for the football club I love.
Why would you be refunded for an away game?
 

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If this lockdown of stadiums goes on much longer, perhaps the club will have to organise a "Welcome to Lionel Road" tour, in the style of "Farewell to Griffin Park".
Otherwise we may never get to see the new ground this season!!!

Hopefully it wont come to that. I have just read an article by Tim Harford the Undercover Economist and he has been studying the stats from the ONS.

Currently the chances of catching Covid in England is 44 in 1 million, the chances of dying from covid is 1 in 1 million, the general chances of dying of other causes is also 1 in 1 million. Statistically you are more likely to die taking a bath or skiing apparently (not my study or words before I get accused of pretending to be an expert again.).

Just another viewpoint I suppose.

However it is caveated that if it spreads again then obviously things could change so follow the rules and we will be in GP before you know it.
 

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I also asked if I could be refunded for the Birmingham game as it was on TV, so no need for Ifollow. I was told I would not be refunded.
Why would you ask for a refund for this game? It is away, season tickets don't cover this. Ifollow also not available as it is on sky.
 

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Yes, my balls up. I was not happy with the level of service and got myself into a bit of a fuzz. Calmed down now lol
 

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Hopefully it wont come to that. I have just read an article by Tim Harford the Undercover Economist and he has been studying the stats from the ONS.

Currently the chances of catching Covid in England is 44 in 1 million, the chances of dying from covid is 1 in 1 million, the general chances of dying of other causes is also 1 in 1 million. Statistically you are more likely to die taking a bath or skiing apparently (not my study or words before I get accused of pretending to be an expert again.).

Just another viewpoint I suppose.

However it is caveated that if it spreads again then obviously things could change so follow the rules and we will be in GP before you know it.
Oh Christ. I've just bought two litres of Matey Bubbles. Are showers safer?
 
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Hopefully it wont come to that. I have just read an article by Tim Harford the Undercover Economist and he has been studying the stats from the ONS.

Currently the chances of catching Covid in England is 44 in 1 million, the chances of dying from covid is 1 in 1 million, the general chances of dying of other causes is also 1 in 1 million. Statistically you are more likely to die taking a bath or skiing apparently (not my study or words before I get accused of pretending to be an expert again.).

Just another viewpoint I suppose.

However it is caveated that if it spreads again then obviously things could change so follow the rules and we will be in GP before you know it.
All of what you say may well be true but unfortunately we're at the mercy of the UK Government which may not take the same view.

My sense is that this week's announcement is the start, not the end of further restrictions and we're very likely to see winter curfews etc. All of this will make the return to stadiums less likely. The Govt is being led by the likes of Fergusson and Chris Whitty who are encouraging it to take a very cautious approach.

My own feeling is that we may well have gone a full 12 months without seeing a live game before we're allowed back in.
 

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All of what you say may well be true but unfortunately we're at the mercy of the UK Government which may not take the same view.

My sense is that this week's announcement is the start, not the end of further restrictions and we're very likely to see winter curfews etc. All of this will make the return to stadiums less likely. The Govt is being led by the likes of Fergusson and Chris Whitty who are encouraging it to take a very cautious approach.

My own feeling is that we may well have gone a full 12 months without seeing a live game before we're allowed back in.
I think you're probably right, the way the numbers are going up at the minute here and even more in France will have given the government a bit of a fright. I suspect they'll pull back on further test events in stadia and indoor events that were due this month/next month and with winter on it's way and the associated flus/colds etc I'd be v surprised if we manage to get to go to games in any numbers much before next Spring.. :(
 

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Hopefully it wont come to that. I have just read an article by Tim Harford the Undercover Economist and he has been studying the stats from the ONS.

Currently the chances of catching Covid in England is 44 in 1 million, the chances of dying from covid is 1 in 1 million, the general chances of dying of other causes is also 1 in 1 million. Statistically you are more likely to die taking a bath or skiing apparently (not my study or words before I get accused of pretending to be an expert again.).

Just another viewpoint I suppose.

However it is caveated that if it spreads again then obviously things could change so follow the rules and we will be in GP before you know it.
His stats are frankly nonsense. Is he talking per minute? Per day? Per week etc.? Even by the new 'stripped down' method of recording deaths, in the last 28 days there have been 261. That would mean a population of 261 million even if he was talking about a 28 day period. Or to put it another way, the population of England is around 56 million. By his reckoning, Covid is only going to kill 56 Englanders.
 

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Statistically you are more likely to die taking a bath or skiing...
Both of these are voluntary activities, along with deep-sea diving and paragliding. You can **** about with statistics all you like but I am in a category of one; it's my statistic that matters to me.
 

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His stats are frankly nonsense. Is he talking per minute? Per day? Per week etc.? Even by the new 'stripped down' method of recording deaths, in the last 28 days there have been 261. That would mean a population of 261 million even if he was talking about a 28 day period. Or to put it another way, the population of England is around 56 million. By his reckoning, Covid is only going to kill 56 Englanders.
i haven’t read the report so no idea on the accuracy of the figures but think you may have slightly misinterpreted:

The 1 in 1 million chance of dying was once you have it. So of every million that get it one will die not one in every million of total population.
 

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