How will/should LR and other stadiums open/reopen to fans? (8 viewing)

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Norwich too. I heard that they can only get in 2 or 3,000 max due to the size and configuration of their concourses etc. So maybe they are picking the most challenging stadiums. Or maybe those clubs already had plans for such a small number of fans to attend...
do we know how many others put their hands up.
 

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Will be interesting to see which clubs take up this pilot offer. For many just having 1,000 fans just wont make financial sense.
Not really the point though is it. It is about starting from somewhere to do a pilot as a stepping stone. They were asked to volunteer
 
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Surprised that Luton has been chosen. Their ground is surrounded by housing, unlike many modern grounds sited on a retail park or industrial estate. And some of those houses are so close that it must be hard to maintain 2 metres social distance when the neighbours pop to the bathroom, never mind from your fellow fans!
Well Luton have now said they won't be involved as they didn't get enough tine to prepare. Makes you wonder why they bothered to apply then? 🤔
 

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Well Luton have now said they won't be involved as they didn't get enough tine to prepare. Makes you wonder why they bothered to apply then? 🤔
Possibly they imagined that eg putting a few hand sanitisers in the loo and a warning in the programme would suffice as precautions then when they got the final check list they decided against.

Because I think I read somewhere that some clubs realised that it would lose them money to admit, say 1000 fans, by the time they factored in the cost of disinfecting the whole stadium before and after etc.
 

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yup.

Of course we can always go with your better plan.
I’m not sure there’s huge benefit in proposing plans until we have definitive direction on the number of supporters that will be allowed in. Happy to propose a plan at that point though if you’re desperate to hear one from me and it will make you feel a bit less delicate and touchy about me posing a question on yours.
 

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I’m not sure there’s huge benefit in proposing plans until we have definitive direction on the number of supporters that will be allowed in. Happy to propose a plan at that point though if you’re desperate to hear one from me and it will make you feel a bit less delicate and touchy about me posing a question on yours.

Far from desperate to hear your plan, just interested that you don't have one even though mine wasn't good enough.

I would however strongly advise that we do make plans for every eventuality and not sit at home with our thumbs up our ar5e waiting to be told exactly how many people will be involved. That is why we don't have 1000 people attending this Saturday.
 

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Far from desperate to hear your plan, just interested that you don't have one even though mine wasn't good enough.

I would however strongly advise that we do make plans for every eventuality and not sit at home with our thumbs up our ar5e waiting to be told exactly how many people will be involved. That is why we don't have 1000 people attending this Saturday.
Wow you really took my one line question to heart. Sorry mate, was simply asking as that made it feel unworkable to me so asking to see if I’d misinterpreted or missed something in what you meant.

I wouldnt worry about it not being good enough for me, my opinion holds no weight with the club and will have zero influence on what happens so your master plan may still come to fruition.

and I’m not suggesting there’s no merit those tasked with resolving the attendance issues within the club trying to identify and explore solutions, including looking at the technical, data and resource opportunities and constraints against each of the solutions they explore...just not sure there’s any great merit in laypersons with no access to most of the necessary info posing lots of proposals.

but we’re allowed to disagree and, as you know, you’re fine to suggest any ideas you want on here. If those ideas being questioned upset you I’m happy to refrain moving forwards.
 
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Sports’ leaders are bracing themselves for a possible month’s delay to the return of fans or the prospect of having greatly reduced numbers in stadiums.

Eight sports bodies met Oliver Dowden, the culture secretary, today to press their case that the government should stick to the plan for stadiums to be 25 to 35 per cent full from October 1.

There is, however, an acceptance that unless the coronavirus situation improves the government may have to delay the return of spectators until November or reduce the number of fans so that it is much closer to the 1,000 permitted to attend pilot events. The English Football League has announced that nine matches across three divisions this weekend will be pilot events.
 

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Far from desperate to hear your plan, just interested that you don't have one even though mine wasn't good enough.

I would however strongly advise that we do make plans for every eventuality and not sit at home with our thumbs up our ar5e waiting to be told exactly how many people will be involved. That is why we don't have 1000 people attending this Saturday.
You couldn’t be more wrong. Do you think the stadium team just put their feet up on their desks all week? They have been working hard with all the authorities to ensure we get crowds in at some point.

There was a three-hour window at zero notice to put a plan together for spectators this weekend in a stadium which had never hosted any fans before. I’m glad they had the common sense to not apply.
 

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You couldn’t be more wrong. Do you think the stadium team just put their feet up on their desks all week? They have been working hard with all the authorities to ensure we get crowds in at some point.

There was a three-hour window at zero notice to put a plan together for spectators this weekend in a stadium which had never hosted any fans before. I’m glad they had the common sense to not apply.
So you completely agree with my point that we need to be prepared for it then?

Last minute from the EFL when planning is required.
 

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Have the flag been taken and put in at Brentford Community Stadium Lionel Rd for Saturday game against Huddersfield
 

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So you completely agree with my point that we need to be prepared for it then?

Last minute from the EFL when planning is required.
Your point was that they should have been prepared for a scenario with no notice. Of course. Perhaps we should also drill two more holes at the back of their heads too for 360 vision?
 

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Remember it's not just the 1,000 fans that have to be accommodated. The red and yellow COVID safe zones have to be protected at all times.

Plus additional Matchday Staff would need to be in place etc.

As much as I'd like to have seen fans in the weekend, if Alan Walsh says it can't be done at this time then I'm happy.
 

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Your point was that they should have been prepared for a scenario with no notice. Of course. Perhaps we should also drill two more holes at the back of their heads too for 360 vision?
That's not quite what I meant really. I was responding to a post basically saying we should do nothing until we know exactly how many will be allowed in by saying we should be preparing all the time. The timescales given here were silly and I have posted previously the EFL should have stuck to 1st October and communicated their plans to give clubs a chance.

I know the club are preparing, my point re this weekend was just to exagerate the need to be prepared for everything and not be reactive.
 

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know the club are preparing, my point re this weekend was just to exagerate the need to be prepared for everything and not be reactive.
Yes, we should employ thousands and thousands of people to prepare for all the unlikely scenarios that the government might come up with at the drop of a hat.

Can we stop this conversation now ? It's not very interesting.
 

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Yes, we should employ thousands and thousands of people to prepare for all the unlikely scenarios that the government might come up with at the drop of a hat.
Not what I said (but you know that)

You couldn’t be more wrong. Do you think the stadium team just put their feet up on their desks all week? They have been working hard with all the authorities to ensure we get crowds in at some point.
Exactly what I meant.

If you find the topic boring close the thread.
 
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Confirmation that the phased return of fans from 1 October has been scrapped.

The National League has said it will no start its season without fans. I suspect many clubs in Leagues One and Two will not wish to continue with no match day revenue.

This is bleak. A support package is needed ASAP
 

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Confirmation that the phased return of fans from 1 October has been scrapped.

The National League has said it will no start its season without fans. I suspect many clubs in Leagues One and Two will not wish to continue with no match day revenue.

This is bleak. A support package is needed ASAP
Is that "now" or "not"? (genuine question)

According to National League website the following three fixtures this evening are designated as test events:

• Dagenham & Redbridge v Concord Rangers
• Yeovil Town v Bath City
• Dartford v Dover Athletic

Each limited to 1,000 supporters. Do we know if these still go ahead as planned?
 
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Is that "now" or "not"? (genuine question)

According to National League website the following three fixtures this evening are designated as test events:

• Dagenham & Redbridge v Concord Rangers
• Yeovil Town v Bath City
• Dartford v Dover Athletic

Each limited to 1,000 supporters. Do we know if these still go ahead as planned?
Not (see below). As far as I know, the 1,000 fan pilots are off

 

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Sounds like no fans will be allowed into stadia until March 2021 at the earliest now - will have a significant impact on the clubs lower down the pyramid
I agree and with less television money, how will they pay their players and staff?
 

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I think that the way we are going with the Government Latest Guide lines we will be very very lucky to have a large number of fans if any allowed into any football ground this season
 

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Sounds like no fans will be allowed into stadia until March 2021 at the earliest now - will have a significant impact on the clubs lower down the pyramid
What he actually said is the restrictions "could" last for 6 months. Remember we already had restrictions before today so we could return to that and still be under restrictions. 6 months ago we were in a much, much worse place than we are today so I am far more optimistic than you. I am thinking lets see what happens in the next few weeks/months and whether we get back to where we were a few weeks ago when it was being discussed.

Today's news isn't really a deeper dive into lockdown, it looks more to me like a slow down of coming out of it.

I still don't get some of the logic, for example shutting restaurants at 10, if it is table service and the restaurant is adhering to rules there should be no issue. Pubs full of 30 people I understand if they are wandering around etc.

It all feels so random and a bit confusing. My daughter does dance GCSE, does that constitute a sport or a lesson and can they have more than 6 in there even though they all just walked from the same classroom.
 

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What he actually said is the restrictions "could" last for 6 months. Remember we already had restrictions before today so we could return to that and still be under restrictions. 6 months ago we were in a much, much worse place than we are today so I am far more optimistic than you. I am thinking lets see what happens in the next few weeks/months and whether we get back to where we were a few weeks ago when it was being discussed.

Today's news isn't really a deeper dive into lockdown, it looks more to me like a slow down of coming out of it.

I still don't get some of the logic, for example shutting restaurants at 10, if it is table service and the restaurant is adhering to rules there should be no issue. Pubs full of 30 people I understand if they are wandering around etc.

It all feels so random and a bit confusing. My daughter does dance GCSE, does that constitute a sport or a lesson and can they have more than 6 in there even though they all just walked from the same classroom.
I know you see the positives in all things Covid but rest assured it will be March - just read the media reporting all saying the same thing. My prediction of no crowds before next March that I said 6 months ago is coming to fruition (I wish it had been wrong but I can't see it happening now :()
 

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What he actually said is the restrictions "could" last for 6 months. Remember we already had restrictions before today so we could return to that and still be under restrictions. 6 months ago we were in a much, much worse place than we are today so I am far more optimistic than you. I am thinking lets see what happens in the next few weeks/months and whether we get back to where we were a few weeks ago when it was being discussed.

Today's news isn't really a deeper dive into lockdown, it looks more to me like a slow down of coming out of it.

I still don't get some of the logic, for example shutting restaurants at 10, if it is table service and the restaurant is adhering to rules there should be no issue. Pubs full of 30 people I understand if they are wandering around etc.

It all feels so random and a bit confusing. My daughter does dance GCSE, does that constitute a sport or a lesson and can they have more than 6 in there even though they all just walked from the same classroom.
i normally try and remain positive with projections for Covid aswell mate but, if Boris even indicated the possibility of 6 months I think it means it’s pretty certain...he’s the ultimate populist politician who nearly always focuses on best case scenarios (operation moonshot etc) and not one to err on the side of caution.

I also think this will be the start of restriction tightening not the end...I think they wanted to further restrict the ‘rule of six’ and cut down households mixing socially but didn’t today for two reasons:
1) Long winter ahead and can’t have no mixing for six months so wait until deeper in to the winter (probably in time to see a reduction in cases in time for slight relaxation at Christmas)
2) Would be a quick u turn (even in comparison to recent u turns) when only a week or so since the ‘rule of six’ was announced.

other than, maybe, nominal attendances of c.1000 I can’t see any meaningful numbers in side stadia this season.
 
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I know you see the positives in all things Covid but rest assured it will be March - just read the media reporting all saying the same thing. My prediction of no crowds before next March that I said 6 months ago is coming to fruition (I wish it had been wrong but I can't see it happening now :()
At the earliest. I expect the whole season may end up being played out behind closed doors.
 

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With the worst case scenario around no league 1 or league 2 games / clubs going under, could this perhaps see the Premier League and Premier League 2 discussion start up again?
 

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With the worst case scenario around no league 1 or league 2 games / clubs going under, could this perhaps see the Premier League and Premier League 2 discussion start up again?
Would be a disaster for football in England big no from me. The premier League and FA has money to protect lower league clubs just look at the spending by some clubs in Prem.
 

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With the worst case scenario around no league 1 or league 2 games / clubs going under, could this perhaps see the Premier League and Premier League 2 discussion start up again?
Cant see the existing PL members wanting to share their dosh between more clubs. Greedy sods!
 

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Absolutely bizarre. You can sit inside a pub and watch the football on the TV with 6 of your mates at a table but can’t sit outside with them 2m apart to watch the footie in a stadium.
Really don’t get it.
This will be the end of a lot of teams. Really sad.
 

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Absolutely bizarre. You can sit inside a pub and watch the football on the TV with 6 of your mates at a table but can’t sit outside with them 2m apart to watch the footie in a stadium.
Really don’t get it.
This will be the end of a lot of teams. Really sad.
i think a lot of it comes down to public transport and getting in and out of the ground etc but I tend to agree with the sentiment.

Spain and France are a few weeks ahead of us so let’s see how it pans out. Spains R rate is now 0.5, if we see an affect ours could be back down in the same time scales and it could be back on the table as you say much quicker than some think.

There is an article on the BBC website explaining the use of the 40k infections per day as a headline. Although instantly followed by the disclaimer the current restrictions meant that couldn’t happen it was however used as a shock tactic as allegedly only 1 in 5 people now follow self isolation. It says people are weary of lockdown and accepting people will die of covid the same as they do anything else so are giving up on restrictions.

The 40k number and the 6 months are being used to shock people into taking it seriously again because we have to. If people do as they are ****ing asked and it’s not that hard then we could see things swing back sooner than that. If not then JFDI, it’s only another 6 months.
 

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Can't see any fans in any numbers this season at all...it's sad but it's not up to the PL and football league and fa to look after everyone same as it's not up to the govt to bail out every business or pub or bank or let every one not pay their mortgages.

Some clubs will really struggle but it's just life I'm afraid.
 
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Can't see any fans in any numbers this season at all...it's sad but it's not up to the PL and football league and fa to look after everyone same as it's not up to the govt to bail out every business or pub or bank or let every one not pay their mortgages.

Some clubs will really struggle but it's just life I'm afraid.
Disagree. If the wealth in football was distributed more evenly and fairly we wouldn’t face such a challenge. It’s absolutely up to the PL to help out or their own product will suffer in the long-run.
 

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Can't see any fans in any numbers this season at all...it's sad but it's not up to the PL and football league and fa to look after everyone same as it's not up to the govt to bail out every business or pub or bank or let every one not pay their mortgages.

Some clubs will really struggle but it's just life I'm afraid.
In normal times I’d agree but if the government is unilaterally closing a business down and making it illegal to operate than the government does shoulder some responsibility for dealing with the outcomes (both for the business and it’s employees) and fallout from the restriction they’re imposing.
 

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Im going to go as far and say i think we could be unlucky enough at the start of next year to be questioning if we will be allowed back in for the start of next season.
 

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Im going to go as far and say i think we could be unlucky enough at the start of next year to be questioning if we will be allowed back in for the start of next season.
i feel more confident that ‘some’ fans will be in by the start of next year, however, if no vaccine is forthcoming by that point, as we move towards Oct, Nov 21 it wouldn’t surprise me if numbers were reduced etc again.
 

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i think a lot of it comes down to public transport and getting in and out of the ground etc but I tend to agree with the sentiment.
Then i cant see why you cant stagger entry time like schools.

4000 in, 1,000 per stand - Split them out into 250 per stand, group A between 1-1:30 or no entry, Group B

I travel into work twice a week and i see more than (probably) 500 people on my journey and no one bats an eyelid.
 

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Impossible to answer, on every count, now.

Football is way down the list of importance.

Families and their lives outside of the game are more important. It’s how the players in the lower leagues are dealt with now. Just like us in regular employment. So many unknowns. So many.
 

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Disagree. If the wealth in football was distributed more evenly and fairly we wouldn’t face such a challenge. It’s absolutely up to the PL to help out or their own product will suffer in the long-run.
Yep , i think the prem do want to help but want reassurances it’s not going into the pockets of dodgy owners
 

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Yep , i think the prem do want to help but want reassurances it’s not going into the pockets of dodgy owners
And, no doubt, reassurances they’ll get something in return like every time they offer to ‘help’....poaching academy youngsters for next to nothing and b teams in the EFL trophy for two recent examples.
 

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Spains R rate is now 0.5, if we see an affect ours could be back down in the same time scales and it could be back on the table as you say much quicker than some think.
Where did get that figure from please? The figure I saw from Johns Hopkins University would suggest their figure is 1.02. For reference the UK figure is currently quoted at 1.04.
 

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Yep , i think the prem do want to help but want reassurances it’s not going into the pockets of dodgy owners
I believe that the stance from the Premier League Is that assistance is dependant upon Championship clubs agreeing to salary caps, something they are unwilling or unable to do.

I can readily understand that a significant number of the population would be unhappy if the Government bailed out an industry that has proved so inept at controlling its finances and still spends a vast fortune on transfers and wages particularly when looking at other sectors of the community that are struggling, and in fairness it is hard to disagree.

I still feel that the PFA, who have been remarkably silent over this matter, should utilise some of its vast financial reserves to assist rather than put them in the hands of a wealth management company. It is their members at the lower ends of the pyramid that will suffer and I think it might stick in the throat if the Government Is seen to bail them out whilst earnings at the elite level are so obscene
 

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I'm sure this had been mentioned somewhere else but can't be bothered to trawl through everything. Following Boris's announcement yesterday the worst case scenario could be that we don't get in to BCS at all this season. Given that as a ST holder i would be entitled to free iFollow every home game (hopefully) however as a match day pass is £10 a time x 23 home games = £230. As my ST cost £500 + will there be refunds for the difference or credit on next season's ST ? I really don't want to sound mercenary but this may well be an issue for many people. As I say it may have been discussed elsewhere and happy to be redirected.
 

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I believe that the stance from the Premier League Is that assistance is dependant upon Championship clubs agreeing to salary caps, something they are unwilling or unable to do.

I can readily understand that a significant number of the population would be unhappy if the Government bailed out an industry that has proved so inept at controlling its finances and still spends a vast fortune on transfers and wages particularly when looking at other sectors of the community that are struggling, and in fairness it is hard to disagree.

I still feel that the PFA, who have been remarkably silent over this matter, should utilise some of its vast financial reserves to assist rather than put them in the hands of a wealth management company. It is their members at the lower ends of the pyramid that will suffer and I think it might stick in the throat if the Government Is seen to bail them out whilst earnings at the elite level are so obscene
The only reason PL clubs would want salary caps for the championship is it would make it cheaper for them ho offer better wages when prising playrrs away...
 

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I am not optimistic about this. It can take up to 10 years to develop a vaccine, so even if they halved that time you are looking at 5 years. We may get lucky, but its not easy. I cannot envisage watching live football in anything like reasonable numbers until next season and can see the league reducing to a Premier League of 20 teams and two divisions of 24 clubs. A sad situation and I really hope this is a pessimistic viewpoint, but I see it as realistic.
 

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Absolutely bizarre. You can sit inside a pub and watch the football on the TV with 6 of your mates at a table but can’t sit outside with them 2m apart to watch the footie in a stadium.
Really don’t get it.
This will be the end of a lot of teams. Really sad.
And now the PL are moving the kick off times

So the people in the pub can see the end of the match !!!!

 

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