How will/should LR and other stadiums open/reopen to fans? (2 Viewers)

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Looks like it’ll almost be the end of the season, if not the whole season before there is even the remotest chance of a large crowd, or anything you could call a crowd, at home or away.

Once the phrase ‘another 6 months’ was stated by the PM, that put the end to any hopes of normal life, or any mass crowd event, restarting

Winter flu death figures will get jumbled up with COVID-19, just to confuse the issue even more.
If this stop/start/stop strategy goes on much longer, then a lot more people will be on their uppers, and won’t have enough money to even consider going to a football match.

Plus, any vaccine rushed in to the market will not necessarily be really safe. Already one trial person has suffered potential spine paralysis, and another taken seriously ill.

Just always spare a thought for the some 400,000 people who have died in this country from all sorts of other reasons, from cancer to heart attack to road accident.
That number is almost 10 times more than COVID-19 in the same period.

Currently, about 1800 people die every day on average from something else, but nothing gets mentioned in the media about them and their families and friends.
More lives would be saved both now and into the future by focussing on cancer, which is believed to affect at least 1 in 3 or 4 people in their lives, let alone the families who have to look after those sufferers.
 

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Where did get that figure from please? The figure I saw from Johns Hopkins University would suggest their figure is 1.02. For reference the UK figure is currently quoted at 1.04.
It was on that video someone posoted the other day, the guy from sky analysing the data to get some reality in amongst the scare tactics. Sorry, I can't remember who posted it.
 

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I think people are mad to watxh any game in a pub at the moment...why would you bother when you can watch it at home even if it means paying a tenner for a now tv day pass which will still work out cheaper than a few beers.
 

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You've certainly been right every time you've said that so far....

Depends on your outlook on life.

When it first hit in Feb /March time a certain group of posters were predicting we wouldn't be in grounds for the end of 19-20 and probably not 20-21 either. I reckoned/hoped/guessed we would be back before Xmas or hopefully earlier.

I was inches away, we were about to go back in October.

Now we have an increase in cases I am guessing a month or two and we will be discussing it again, we could very easily be back to where we were in August in a couple of months time and the Govt will definitely be looking at it if we are. However some of the predictions on here that we will be still not allowed in by November next year is morbidly pessimistic way beyond my comprehension.
 

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Depends on your outlook on life.

When it first hit in Feb /March time a certain group of posters were predicting we wouldn't be in grounds for the end of 19-20 and probably not 20-21 either. I reckoned/hoped/guessed we would be back before Xmas or hopefully earlier.

I was inches away, we were about to go back in October.

Now we have an increase in cases I am guessing a month or two and we will be discussing it again, we could very easily be back to where we were in August in a couple of months time and the Govt will definitely be looking at it if we are. However some of the predictions on here that we will be still not allowed in by November next year is morbidly pessimistic way beyond my comprehension.
Well factor in the best case scenario is we may be back in by next April................... Thats probably best case scenario.

Missing a big chunk of next season is quite realistic unfortunately.
 

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Yesterday’s announcement was the final nail in lower league footballs coffin.....the Covid doomsday weirdos and germophobes have got their way by closing the country down just that bit more that will finish off pubs, restaurants, football etc etc all because they can’t just get on with their lives....say goodbye to all those clubs that have represented their areas for over a century as they will now be disappearing fast.....utter fkin madness
 

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Yesterday’s announcement was the final nail in lower league footballs coffin.....the Covid doomsday weirdos and germophobes have got their way by closing the country down just that bit more that will finish off pubs, restaurants, football etc etc all because they can’t just get on with their lives....say goodbye to all those clubs that have represented their areas for over a century as they will now be disappearing fast.....utter fkin madness
Our hospitals have re-opened Covid-only wards today that were stood down months ago. Stick your fingers in your ears as much as you like but we're in a second wave.
 

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Listened to Dale Vince on radio and he believes grounds need to.open on a limited basis and doesnt comprehend the sense of pubs etc being opened but footy grounds shut.
 

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I think people are mad to watxh any game in a pub at the moment...why would you bother when you can watch it at home even if it means paying a tenner for a now tv day pass which will still work out cheaper than a few beers.
Because it’s nice to go out , see mates , get away from er indoors etc 👍
 

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Listened to Dale Vince on radio and he believes grounds need to.open on a limited basis and doesnt comprehend the sense of pubs etc being opened but footy grounds shut.
Possibly because he owns a football club but doesn’t own any pubs.
How far do most people regularly travel to go to the pub? A mile or two. Maybe 5-10 for a big night up West or in town if you live in a village. How far do most fans travel to go to football? Even for a club like Brentford which has a relatively local fanbase it probably averages out at 15+ miles. Then multiply out how many people go to each pub v a football match. A full house at LR is equivalent to 60 or 70 full pubs.

Add to that the fact that pubs are an amenity to a much wider range of people, are a big part of local communities and employ a lot of people. If you permanently shut every pub in Bury it would change the town far more and for the worse for its inhabitants than the football club going bust, sad though that was.
 

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Looks like it’ll almost be the end of the season, if not the whole season before there is even the remotest chance of a large crowd, or anything you could call a crowd, at home or away.

Once the phrase ‘another 6 months’ was stated by the PM, that put the end to any hopes of normal life, or any mass crowd event, restarting

Winter flu death figures will get jumbled up with COVID-19, just to confuse the issue even more.
If this stop/start/stop strategy goes on much longer, then a lot more people will be on their uppers, and won’t have enough money to even consider going to a football match.

Plus, any vaccine rushed in to the market will not necessarily be really safe. Already one trial person has suffered potential spine paralysis, and another taken seriously ill.

Just always spare a thought for the some 400,000 people who have died in this country from all sorts of other reasons, from cancer to heart attack to road accident.
That number is almost 10 times more than COVID-19 in the same period.

Currently, about 1800 people die every day on average from something else, but nothing gets mentioned in the media about them and their families and friends.
More lives would be saved both now and into the future by focussing on cancer, which is believed to affect at least 1 in 3 or 4 people in their lives, let alone the families who have to look after those sufferers.
Cancer, heart attacks and road accidents aren't contagious.
 

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Possibly because he owns a football club but doesn’t own any pubs.
How far do most people regularly travel to go to the pub? A mile or two. Maybe 5-10 for a big night up West or in town if you live in a village. How far do most fans travel to go to football? Even for a club like Brentford which has a relatively local fanbase it probably averages out at 15+ miles. Then multiply out how many people go to each pub v a football match. A full house at LR is equivalent to 60 or 70 full pubs.

Add to that the fact that pubs are an amenity to a much wider range of people, are a big part of local communities and employ a lot of people. If you permanently shut every pub in Bury it would change the town far more and for the worse for its inhabitants than the football club going bust, sad though that was.
I think he was disappointed after the effort they made saturday that the door appears to be firmly closed.yet people sitting in "pubs" are far less socially distanced than what they were on Saturday. That was my take on it.
 

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Possibly because he owns a football club but doesn’t own any pubs.
How far do most people regularly travel to go to the pub? A mile or two. Maybe 5-10 for a big night up West or in town if you live in a village. How far do most fans travel to go to football? Even for a club like Brentford which has a relatively local fanbase it probably averages out at 15+ miles. Then multiply out how many people go to each pub v a football match. A full house at LR is equivalent to 60 or 70 full pubs.

Add to that the fact that pubs are an amenity to a much wider range of people, are a big part of local communities and employ a lot of people. If you permanently shut every pub in Bury it would change the town far more and for the worse for its inhabitants than the football club going bust, sad though that was.
I’d much prefer football grounds to be open and pubs to be shut. Being in the open air is less risky than being indoors. But I completely get what you are saying here. It’s a balancing act. They don’t want to shut down everything again so they have to make choices. And they’ve chosen to have people working at home, no sports crowds and no home gatherings to be the things to slow it down. Whether it will be the right decision remains to be seen.
 

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Very good letter to thePM on Twitter from Col Utd re opening grounds safely. Well written and to the point. It makes sense to me. (Sorry - don't know how to link so will probably get b***ock*ed).
 

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Cancer, heart attacks and road accidents aren't contagious.
In amongst the figures I quoted, more people have died from ordinary flu in July, August and September than from COVID-19, yet this goes unremarked upon by most media, except for The Times, which reported it. Flu is contagious, and the numbers dying from it historically, and into the future will exceed COVID-19 by an enormous multiple. Yet this country has never ground to a standstill because of what might be called the killer known as ‘ordinary flu’.

Every winter throughout the decades of my life, I’ve sat in football grounds whilst those close by have coughed, spluttered and wheezed their way through a match spreading all sorts of contagion. It didn’t stop me from going.
Millions in this country get flu every year, some sadly die, but as with COVID-19, 99.994% of the population get through it, having either fought off the symptoms unknowingly via their immune system, or felt rough for a few days and recovered.

The point I am making that anyone has more chance from dying from any other cause than COVID-19, particularly cancer, yet far less money is being injected into early diagnosis of cancer, which could be done with a simple blood test.

Our society is being closed down, and possibly there may not be much football to get back to, if this all continues well into next year.

If every football match had been historically stopped or stadiums closed down because of the contagious and deathly nature of winter flu, football would have ceased to exist decades ago, particularly during the Spanish flu of the 1920’s.
 

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In amongst the figures I quoted, more people have died from ordinary flu in July, August and September than from COVID-19, yet this goes unremarked upon by most media, except for The Times, which reported it. Flu is contagious, and the numbers dying from it historically, and into the future will exceed COVID-19 by an enormous multiple. Yet this country has never ground to a standstill because of what might be called the killer known as ‘ordinary flu’.

Every winter throughout the decades of my life, I’ve sat in football grounds whilst those close by have coughed, spluttered and wheezed their way through a match spreading all sorts of contagion. It didn’t stop me from going.
Millions in this country get flu every year, some sadly die, but as with COVID-19, 99.994% of the population get through it, having either fought off the symptoms unknowingly via their immune system, or felt rough for a few days and recovered.

The point I am making that anyone has more chance from dying from any other cause than COVID-19, particularly cancer, yet far less money is being injected into early diagnosis of cancer, which could be done with a simple blood test.

Our society is being closed down, and possibly there may not be much football to get back to, if this all continues well into next year.

If every football match had been historically stopped or stadiums closed down because of the contagious and deathly nature of winter flu, football would have ceased to exist decades ago, particularly during the Spanish flu of the 1920’s.
Great post and i agree with everything you wrote 100%
 

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In amongst the figures I quoted, more people have died from ordinary flu in July, August and September than from COVID-19, yet this goes unremarked upon by most media, except for The Times, which reported it. Flu is contagious, and the numbers dying from it historically, and into the future will exceed COVID-19 by an enormous multiple. Yet this country has never ground to a standstill because of what might be called the killer known as ‘ordinary flu’.

Every winter throughout the decades of my life, I’ve sat in football grounds whilst those close by have coughed, spluttered and wheezed their way through a match spreading all sorts of contagion. It didn’t stop me from going.
Millions in this country get flu every year, some sadly die, but as with COVID-19, 99.994% of the population get through it, having either fought off the symptoms unknowingly via their immune system, or felt rough for a few days and recovered.

The point I am making that anyone has more chance from dying from any other cause than COVID-19, particularly cancer, yet far less money is being injected into early diagnosis of cancer, which could be done with a simple blood test.

Our society is being closed down, and possibly there may not be much football to get back to, if this all continues well into next year.

If every football match had been historically stopped or stadiums closed down because of the contagious and deathly nature of winter flu, football would have ceased to exist decades ago, particularly during the Spanish flu of the 1920’s.
I demand this post gets taken down! It could infect others with a sense of perspective, higher testosterone levels, optimism and the deadly intuition........!
 

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Yesterday’s announcement was the final nail in lower league footballs coffin.....the Covid doomsday weirdos and germophobes have got their way by closing the country down just that bit more that will finish off pubs, restaurants, football etc etc all because they can’t just get on with their lives....say goodbye to all those clubs that have represented their areas for over a century as they will now be disappearing fast.....utter fkin madness
Where have you been comrade; Seattle or Portland? It's good to see some common sense on here. Top of the class!
 

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We won't be allowed in for another six months.
Maybe.

sturgeon said today that they will be reviewing everything in 3 weeks. I expect rather than 6 months being set in stone we will review constantly as well so anything could happen.

I still think the 6 months and 40k per day were used to scare people into compliance because currently millions are just not doing it and causing huge spread.

if we get control again then all bets could be back on again.
 

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Have to be quite honest, I am pretty dismayed by this setback.

Unlike many I don't have a lot of friends, find it difficult to make them and since I didn't work local to where I live, never had work friends to socialise with - all somewhat moot now as I was made redundant in April. I don't really frequent pubs, indeed I rarely drink. Family get togethers? Well, my mother passed 4 years ago (father went in 89) and my only sibling moved to Canada 2 years after. I have my three kids, two of whom live with me, and although we get on great they are growing up fast and living their own lives. I try never to speak to their mother, who I separated from 10 years ago, and although I love her family they all live in the US. Our long planned family holiday to Vietnam was cancelled in April (still no flight refund) and although the kids had a holiday with their mother in the summer, I have not had a break away in almost 2 years. No one has visited my home and I have had two meetups with a couple of ex-collegues in 6 months.

Now I know this is in the context of people dying and I am not belittling this but.... What I am trying to illustrate is that different things have different relative importance and pubs being open and the allowing of different size get-togethers has no value to me at all, although of course I appreciate that it does for others and am glad of this. What was raising my spirits (and I know it sounds silly) was the prospect of a couple of Brentford matches a month with my son, and I for one find it very difficult to understand how a largely outdoor activity with planned distancing is an absolute no-no while people can sit in enclosed pubs for an entire evening.

I hope we get to see the team live sometime this season, I really do, but I have to say that my optimism it a little low at the moment.
 

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What was raising my spirits (and I know it sounds silly) was the prospect of a couple of Brentford matches a month with my son
Absolutely not "silly" at all @PhilE
It's at times like these, we all cling onto what we can to help to get us through.
Make sure you keep posting on here, as there will ALWAYS be a Brentford family in addition to your kids you can socialise with.
We WILL get through this.
 
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In amongst the figures I quoted, more people have died from ordinary flu in July, August and September than from COVID-19, yet this goes unremarked upon by most media, except for The Times, which reported it. Flu is contagious, and the numbers dying from it historically, and into the future will exceed COVID-19 by an enormous multiple. Yet this country has never ground to a standstill because of what might be called the killer known as ‘ordinary flu’.

Every winter throughout the decades of my life, I’ve sat in football grounds whilst those close by have coughed, spluttered and wheezed their way through a match spreading all sorts of contagion. It didn’t stop me from going.
Millions in this country get flu every year, some sadly die, but as with COVID-19, 99.994% of the population get through it, having either fought off the symptoms unknowingly via their immune system, or felt rough for a few days and recovered.

The point I am making that anyone has more chance from dying from any other cause than COVID-19, particularly cancer, yet far less money is being injected into early diagnosis of cancer, which could be done with a simple blood test.

Our society is being closed down, and possibly there may not be much football to get back to, if this all continues well into next year.

If every football match had been historically stopped or stadiums closed down because of the contagious and deathly nature of winter flu, football would have ceased to exist decades ago, particularly during the Spanish flu of the 1920’s.
:imwith:
 

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Absolutely not "silly" at all @PhilE
It's at times like these, we all cling onto what we can to help to get us through.
Make sure you keep posting on here, as there will ALWAYS be a Brentford family in addition to your kids you can socialise with.
We WILL get through this.
Well said @badgerbee. Chin up PhilE and keep chatting on here. I think many, many thousands will feel the same way as you right now. Let's get ourselves through it together.
 

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Have to be quite honest, I am pretty dismayed by this setback.

Unlike many I don't have a lot of friends, find it difficult to make them and since I didn't work local to where I live, never had work friends to socialise with - all somewhat moot now as I was made redundant in April. I don't really frequent pubs, indeed I rarely drink. Family get togethers? Well, my mother passed 4 years ago (father went in 89) and my only sibling moved to Canada 2 years after. I have my three kids, two of whom live with me, and although we get on great they are growing up fast and living their own lives. I try never to speak to their mother, who I separated from 10 years ago, and although I love her family they all live in the US. Our long planned family holiday to Vietnam was cancelled in April (still no flight refund) and although the kids had a holiday with their mother in the summer, I have not had a break away in almost 2 years. No one has visited my home and I have had two meetups with a couple of ex-collegues in 6 months.

Now I know this is in the context of people dying and I am not belittling this but.... What I am trying to illustrate is that different things have different relative importance and pubs being open and the allowing of different size get-togethers has no value to me at all, although of course I appreciate that it does for others and am glad of this. What was raising my spirits (and I know it sounds silly) was the prospect of a couple of Brentford matches a month with my son, and I for one find it very difficult to understand how a largely outdoor activity with planned distancing is an absolute no-no while people can sit in enclosed pubs for an entire evening.

I hope we get to see the team live sometime this season, I really do, but I have to say that my optimism it a little low at the moment.

I responded to this earlier but it disappeared so apologies if I wind up replying twice.

You are definitely not alone, there are so many people suffering from this. Isolation, depression, collapse of education and anxiety about next years exams, job losses, redundancies. Many people still trying to recover money from cancelled holidays and flights from 6 months ago who are facing unemployment. My wife is self employed and her income completely stopped 6 months ago, luckily I am able to support us at the moment however we are making 1 BN of annual cutbacks any time now and who knows what happens.

All the above are victims of Covid, some believe they are victims of the Gov't putting Covid victims ahead of them, maybe it is a bit of both.

One of the few things we had to look forward to is getting back to football.

If we are going to live with this thing for the foreseeable future then we need to learn to live with it, that means becoming better at avoiding catching and spreading it. I am sure this as high on the gov't agenda as anything and that is why I think the 6 months is just a scare tactic to try to get people to stop being selfish ****s. We will be under constant review so there is always hope.

Norwich City had 1000 fans in, no issues whatsoever, the cricket had fans, no issues whatsoever. Because they did it properly, like gyms, restaurants and some pubs do it properly. We are all being held back by the lowest common denominator, the selfish pricks who won't comply. If we can get them under control then the rest of us can start to get back to some kind of normality.

Stay strong Phile, I am sure some people will be in grounds sooner than some think. With the restrictions in place hopefully we are not going to hit the heights of the peak a few months ago as per Spain and France so we should come out of it much quicker than last time too.
 

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The impact of Covid19 is across so many different areas of life that it is probably a mistake to want or expect a coherent set of responses. In the end it needs lots of difficult decisions about balancing risk and trying to mitigate the effects on broader economics and public health so there is something to come back to afterwards. It can never be right for everyone’s subset of interests.


But, if what I’m seeing at work is any indication, there may be cause for cautious optimism that this will pass. I work for a global life sciences business and the number and size of contracts we’re working on to put in place manufacturing and distribution for the 1bn+ doses of vaccine to be made available in the first half of next year is incredible. Particularly as it is being done on a not for profit basis and the trials haven’t completed yet

If anyone says “but what about Sweden” it is worth noting that their rules have been pretty much identical to ours since June. Maybe we needn’t have shut down for 2 1/2 months from March, but now everywhere’s in the same boat. Working with people in many different European countries the reality seems to be that everywhere has put in similar measures, local reaction has included pretty much all the criticisms we’ve had here and people find the regulations just as inconsistent, intrusive or annoying. They’re just not spending as much time moaning (a very British pastime) or political point scoring.
 

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A word of comfort.... if the virus stops admission of supporters right through to the end of this season.......
Foolham would have played their one season with not a supporter there to "enjoy" the experience. Ha ha
 
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This is interesting, from The Times, - the PL is refusing to bail out EFL clubs unless Govt provides guarantees and a road map for fans' return.



The Premier League will demand guarantees over the return of fans this season before they agree to bail out lower league clubs.

Government ministers confirmed yesterday that they would not provide any money for elite football and expected the Premier League to support the 72 clubs in the EFL to the tune of £200 million.

Many senior figures among the 20 top-flight clubs were already furious that the ban of fans was extended indefinitely from October 1 when they had complied with all the safety requirements for social distancing. Now they believe it is even more unreasonable for the Premier League to be asked to provide the finances to the EFL when they themselves are facing losses of tens of millions of pounds per club without even an indication of when they can start to have paying supporters back through the turnstiles.


One chairman told The Times: “We’re under huge amounts of pressure to help the EFL and there is a willingness to do so but we need some guarantees over the return of fans this season. There has to be a timeline about when clubs can get fans back before we can agree to start paying out huge sums to other parts of the game. Most countries in Europe seem to be welcoming fans back in some numbers. We were leading the way in fans’ safety and test events — now we are lagging behind.”
Robbie Cowling, the chairman of League Two side Colchester United, has written an open letter to Boris Johnson summing up football’s frustrations. He said: “There is absolutely no reason for the government to apply a rule that rides roughshod over the expertise of the safety advisory groups.

“Just so I understand it when I’m having to lay off even more staff, can someone explain to me again how I can safely sit in a confined aeroplane with 300 other passengers and I can safely eat inside a restaurant or drink inside a pub until 10pm but I can’t safely attend a football match which is predominantly outside and has been certificated as safe by a SAG [Safety Advisory Group]?”
Oliver Dowden, the culture secretary, told Parliament yesterday that the government had instructed “sports to help themselves, starting with the Premier League in respect of football” rather than ask for financial support from a proposed £1.5 billion Treasury rescue fund.Nigel Huddleston, the sports minister, also told MPs he was unable to give any details of when fans could return, adding: “I wish I could confirm definitive timescales; we live in such uncertain times. We recognise the impact of the decisions this week to delay the re-opening of stadia over the winter will have on sport.”


Aleksander Ceferin, the Uefa president, yesterday listed 29 European countries where supporters are now allowed into football matches in varying numbers from 1,000 fans up to 50 per cent of stadiums, including all the main football countries apart from England, Spain and Portugal.
The former football agent Jon Smith has told talkSPORT that he is in talks with the Premier League about American pension funds providing the £200 million EFL package in the form of a loan with the top-flight clubs paying the interest.
The government has announced that the Premier League’s chairman Gary Hoffman will sit on the new Sports Technology and Innovation Group (STIG), which has been given the task of finding hi-tech solutions to allow spectators safely back into venues. David Ross, the founder of Carphone Warehouse, will lead the group, which had its first meeting yesterday.
A range of options will be looked at including tracking devices to measure social distancing, fluorescent disinfectants to reveal how often surfaces are touched and technology to assist in safe travel to venues.
Football crowds in Europe
Germany
Crowds were allowed to return to the Bundesliga last weekend with six out of the nine games having fans in the stadium. The number ranged from 4,600 to 9,300, filling 10 per cent to 25 per cent of the stadium seats.
Italy Serie A allowed up to 1,000 fans to return to games last weekend with the first game to benefit being Parma at home to Napoli. Fans were required to wear face masks and maintain social distancing, with temperature checks carried out before fans entered the stadium. Spain La Liga resumed last weekend but without any fans in stadiums.
France The French government has allowed up to 5,000 mask-wearing, socially distanced fans to watch Ligue 1 games. But on Wednesday new restrictions were imposed limiting attendances at sporting events to 1,000 in several areas including Paris because of a rise in cases.
 

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This is interesting, from The Times, - the PL is refusing to bail out EFL clubs unless Govt provides guarantees and a road map for fans' return.
I saw a report elsewhere on social media yesterday (sorry, can't remember where) which said PL clubs were striving to ensure EFL clubs didn't use any bailout towards improving their squads via transfers etc. It hinted they almost want to judge requests from EFL clubs on a case by case basis. Exeter were mentioned as beneficiaries of the Olly Watkins deal (ie they've received c£3.5m so why should they get any more). The same logic would apply to us. The rebuttal was that such transfer income is usually fed in over a period of time - it doesn't arrive at a club in one hit.
 

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I saw a report elsewhere on social media yesterday (sorry, can't remember where) which said PL clubs were striving to ensure EFL clubs didn't use any bailout towards improving their squads via transfers etc. It hinted they almost want to judge requests from EFL clubs on a case by case basis. Exeter were mentioned as beneficiaries of the Olly Watkins deal (ie they've received c£3.5m so why should they get any more). The same logic would apply to us. The rebuttal was that such transfer income is usually fed in over a period of time - it doesn't arrive at a club in one hit.
Don’t understand why every club can’t have a 1000 in grounds , far safer than supermarket , pub , or train
 

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Don’t understand why every club can’t have a 1000 in grounds , far safer than supermarket , pub , or train
The costs involved in creating an area so people can distance themselves probably outweighs the need of the Club. Or any club.

more stewarding, more controls, more signage. Etc etc.

It won’t be an easy way to do things to comply with regulations the government will, probably, be employing.
 

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This is interesting, from The Times, - the PL is refusing to bail out EFL clubs unless Govt provides guarantees and a road map for fans' return.



The Premier League will demand guarantees over the return of fans this season before they agree to bail out lower league clubs.

Government ministers confirmed yesterday that they would not provide any money for elite football and expected the Premier League to support the 72 clubs in the EFL to the tune of £200 million.

Many senior figures among the 20 top-flight clubs were already furious that the ban of fans was extended indefinitely from October 1 when they had complied with all the safety requirements for social distancing. Now they believe it is even more unreasonable for the Premier League to be asked to provide the finances to the EFL when they themselves are facing losses of tens of millions of pounds per club without even an indication of when they can start to have paying supporters back through the turnstiles.


One chairman told The Times: “We’re under huge amounts of pressure to help the EFL and there is a willingness to do so but we need some guarantees over the return of fans this season. There has to be a timeline about when clubs can get fans back before we can agree to start paying out huge sums to other parts of the game. Most countries in Europe seem to be welcoming fans back in some numbers. We were leading the way in fans’ safety and test events — now we are lagging behind.”
Robbie Cowling, the chairman of League Two side Colchester United, has written an open letter to Boris Johnson summing up football’s frustrations. He said: “There is absolutely no reason for the government to apply a rule that rides roughshod over the expertise of the safety advisory groups.

“Just so I understand it when I’m having to lay off even more staff, can someone explain to me again how I can safely sit in a confined aeroplane with 300 other passengers and I can safely eat inside a restaurant or drink inside a pub until 10pm but I can’t safely attend a football match which is predominantly outside and has been certificated as safe by a SAG [Safety Advisory Group]?”
Oliver Dowden, the culture secretary, told Parliament yesterday that the government had instructed “sports to help themselves, starting with the Premier League in respect of football” rather than ask for financial support from a proposed £1.5 billion Treasury rescue fund.Nigel Huddleston, the sports minister, also told MPs he was unable to give any details of when fans could return, adding: “I wish I could confirm definitive timescales; we live in such uncertain times. We recognise the impact of the decisions this week to delay the re-opening of stadia over the winter will have on sport.”


Aleksander Ceferin, the Uefa president, yesterday listed 29 European countries where supporters are now allowed into football matches in varying numbers from 1,000 fans up to 50 per cent of stadiums, including all the main football countries apart from England, Spain and Portugal.
The former football agent Jon Smith has told talkSPORT that he is in talks with the Premier League about American pension funds providing the £200 million EFL package in the form of a loan with the top-flight clubs paying the interest.
The government has announced that the Premier League’s chairman Gary Hoffman will sit on the new Sports Technology and Innovation Group (STIG), which has been given the task of finding hi-tech solutions to allow spectators safely back into venues. David Ross, the founder of Carphone Warehouse, will lead the group, which had its first meeting yesterday.
A range of options will be looked at including tracking devices to measure social distancing, fluorescent disinfectants to reveal how often surfaces are touched and technology to assist in safe travel to venues.
Football crowds in Europe
Germany
Crowds were allowed to return to the Bundesliga last weekend with six out of the nine games having fans in the stadium. The number ranged from 4,600 to 9,300, filling 10 per cent to 25 per cent of the stadium seats.
Italy Serie A allowed up to 1,000 fans to return to games last weekend with the first game to benefit being Parma at home to Napoli. Fans were required to wear face masks and maintain social distancing, with temperature checks carried out before fans entered the stadium. Spain La Liga resumed last weekend but without any fans in stadiums.
France The French government has allowed up to 5,000 mask-wearing, socially distanced fans to watch Ligue 1 games. But on Wednesday new restrictions were imposed limiting attendances at sporting events to 1,000 in several areas including Paris because of a rise in cases.
Whilst I think the PL should definitely help out the EFL I'd agree that it should be on a case by case basis. Not sure I'd include Championship clubs either TBH.

Put x amount in a pot with a maximum limit in the form of a loan (interest free) perhaps over 10 or 15 years.
Not every club would need to access funds but say Southend get a handout and pay their tax bill with it. They will still be in the sh*t a few months down the line and certainly wouldn't get a loan from a high street bank.
You also have clubs with ownership issues and who knows where the cash might end up?

Also hope there is some pot provided for the non league pyramid
 

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From Millwall illustrating the importance of iFollow and cost of losing fans...

"... while matches are played behind-closed-doors, which regrettably looks set to be the case for the foreseeable future, iFollow subscriptions and Match Pass sales remain the club’s primary source of income.

As such Millwall pleads with all fans, where possible, to continue to support the club during an unprecedented and concerning period of financial uncertainty by watching matches on iFollow. The club retains 100% of revenue generated from Match Pass sales, which will go some way to offsetting large operational losses resulting from having no crowds.

It is forecasted that should fans return in March – the end of the government’s new six-month long measures – then playing behind-closed-doors for what will have been a year will end up having lost the club between £1m and £1.5 per month during that period."

 

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Unfortunately football was fecked priot to C19, most clubs running at a loss with no sign of paying off debts and in some cases clubs continue to spend above their means, selling their ground etc. In any other industry these clubs would have gone to the wall years ago. C19 has just speeded up this process. The football authorities have a lot to answer for. If I was in the govt I would have to insist on a number of financial rules to be put in place like salery caps, no more selling of grounds to the owner, no more parachute payments, closer scrutiny and stricter rules of any new potential club owner. There are probably plenty of other financial restrictions that could be put in place that I have forgotten, but you get the gist. I can see bundles of cash being given out only for the same clubs to be wanting further handouts 12 months down the line. This whole situation is a perfect opportunity for football to get its house in order, but you and I know it won't happen.
 

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Suggest that when fans get the COVID jab they are fully entitled, ( with proof ) to see all remaining games at home. Hopefully well under way before end of march.
 

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Suggest that when fans get the COVID jab they are fully entitled, ( with proof ) to see all remaining games at home. Hopefully well under way before end of march.
Would that not open up some discrimination risk...assuming the vaccine is rolled out to the elderly first (and other vulnerable categories) and works it’s way down the age Groups and likely to take, at least, number of months the you get fans (ironically least at risk from Covid) would be kept away longer than older fans
 

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Would that not open up some discrimination risk...assuming the vaccine is rolled out to the elderly first (and other vulnerable categories) and works it’s way down the age Groups and likely to take, at least, number of months the you get fans (ironically least at risk from Covid) would be kept away longer than older fans
Great so us oldies get in first. The way it should be after over 50 years of endurance!
 

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We won't be allowed in for another six months.
There's that word again. For us to actually get anywhere, people need to discard the word 'allowed'. Scribble it out of their dictionaries and replace it with the word 'safe'. Take their own responsibility. It will, and would have made the world of difference. I'm convinced we'd be in by now if people had done that, rather than cramming beaches, protesting and, um, jumping up and down outside football grounds. Unfortunately only 20% will comply and 80% of humanity are c****. Instead, we're heading (undoubtedly in my mind) for a crippling second lockdown. We're just waiting for another 50,000 to die first. If we're in anytime before mid 2022, without a vaccine, I'll be pleasantly astonished.
 

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