How will/should LR and other stadiums open/reopen to fans? (32 viewing)

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Mazz mate, have really enjoyed your posts and SOH on here for a long time so I do hope you can get out of the very dark place you seem to be on this s**t virus.
Yes it’s crap and yes there are a mindless minority whose reckless behaviour is making it harder to get out of this crock of sh*t but we understand it better now and I do think it’s possible to navigate through it all and have some kind of close to normal life. Not risk free but then it never was.
Would love to get into the new ground and watch our fantastic team and think it’s entirely possible in first half of 2021 if individuals and our increasingly nanny state government are prepared to accept that zero risk is probably never an option again.
 

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Great so us oldies get in first. The way it should be after over 50 years of endurance!
Counter argument could be young people should get in first as they’d of given up a year of their education, medium term job and employment opportunities and lives for the ‘oldies’ by that point!*


* I don’t actually believe this but, assuming your post was tongue in cheek, responded in kind.
 

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The club could benefit from test runs of limited attendances, when the opportunities arise.
I’m aware that costs are incurred running trials, not least in suspending operations in the surrounding sites and that the stadium was designed by experts, but there’s nothing like the real thing. Crowd behaviour can throw up some interesting anomalies.
 

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Mazz mate, have really enjoyed your posts and SOH on here for a long time so I do hope you can get out of the very dark place you seem to be on this s**t virus.
Yes it’s crap and yes there are a mindless minority whose reckless behaviour is making it harder to get out of this crock of sh*t but we understand it better now and I do think it’s possible to navigate through it all and have some kind of close to normal life. Not risk free but then it never was.
Would love to get into the new ground and watch our fantastic team and think it’s entirely possible in first half of 2021 if individuals and our increasingly nanny state government are prepared to accept that zero risk is probably never an option again.
I've been avoiding the topic just lately (as you may or may not have noticed), as I do have very strong views on it for various reasons, personal and otherwise. So I tend to get somewhat over passionate when I get involved and am therefore trying hard not to. But every now and then I find eight cans of Kronenbourg in the Waitrose that I didn't realise I had, and my guard slips a little. ;)
 

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Now it looks as though we'll be BCD for some while longer I hope the club intend to get some flags and maybe the GP fan pictures put up at the BCS.
 

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The club could benefit from test runs of limited attendances, when the opportunities arise.
I’m aware that costs are incurred running trials, not least in suspending operations in the surrounding sites and that the stadium was designed by experts, but there’s nothing like the real thing. Crowd behaviour can throw up some interesting anomalies.
I went to the pub on Thursday, wore my mask, cleaned my hands, sanitised about 20 times etc. Sat down and kept my distance.

I am sure I could behave in the same way as me if a few thousands went to a football match. Getting to the ground is probably not too different to going shopping.

if people who are behaving responsibly suddenly decide to break the rules because a football has started you ban them from the club and take their season ticket back.
 

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I went to the pub on Thursday, wore my mask, cleaned my hands, sanitised about 20 times etc. Sat down and kept my distance.

I am sure I could behave in the same way as me if a few thousands went to a football match. Getting to the ground is probably not too different to going shopping.

if people who are behaving responsibly suddenly decide to break the rules because a football has started you ban them from the club and take their season ticket back.

The problem is you like me are minority. See it every day in public people just don't follow the rules. I work in food retail and the general public just don't care. I've given up trying to police social distancing in my store because I just get abuse back.
 

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I went to the pub on Thursday, wore my mask, cleaned my hands, sanitised about 20 times etc. Sat down and kept my distance.

I am sure I could behave in the same way as me if a few thousands went to a football match. Getting to the ground is probably not too different to going shopping.

if people who are behaving responsibly suddenly decide to break the rules because a football has started you ban them from the club and take their season ticket back.
In principle I agree.

But if it was as easy as that, then all those at pubs and clubs, on buses & trains, etc, who have ignored everything so far would already have been identified/fined, etc.

As I've said before, I don't think the problem is with 1000 distanced in the ground. It's what they do on their way in & out & travelling. The same way idiots gathered outside grounds even when there was zero entry everywhere.

And you might say it's no different from a supermarket. You might have a point there, but the counter argument would be shopping for essentials is, err, essential, but watching footy live is not.
 

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Question for @hobbsy :
Bearing in mind the angst that resulted from the comms/non-comms from the club regarding the options for ST holders to watch games this season and next, have BIAS already had discussions with the club about how tickets for the first few games at LR will be 'divvied-up', with the inevitability of vastly reduced numbers at the first games and the clamour for tickets that will ensure?
If not, presumably plans are in place to arrange such a discussion sooner rather than later, to avoid the same situation as happened with ST holders?
Could we use this thread to put forward suggestions for BIAS to discuss with the club?
First thoughts from me would be a "mix" of some tickets to Premium ST holders, some to 'normal' ST holders based on an 'acceptable' criteria. (Not sure what that would be......TAPs??). I.e. If the first game at LR was limited to 1,000 fans, 500 Premium ST holders, 500 to 'normal' ST holders.
Better to be pro-active with these discussions ASAP I would have thought to avoid the scenario we've seen over the last couple of weeks.....
 
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Question for @hobbsy :
Bearing in mind the angst that resulted from the comms/non-comms from the club regarding the options for ST holders to watch games this season and next, have BIAS already had discussions with the club about how tickets for the first view games at LR will be 'divvied-up', with the inevitability of vastly reduced numbers at the first games and the clamour for tickets that will ensure?
If not, presumably plans are in place to arrange such a discussion sooner rather than later, to avoid the same situation as happened with ST holders?
Could we use this thread to put forward suggestions for BIAS to discuss with the club?
First thoughts from me would be a "mix" of some tickets to Premium ST holders, some to ST holders based on an 'acceptable' criteria. (Not sure what that would be......TAPs??). I.e. If the first game at LR was limited to 1,000 fans, 500 Premium ST holders, 500 to 'normal' ST holders.
Better to be pro-active with these discussions ASAP I would have thought to avoid the scenario we've seen over the last couple of weeks.....
Yes we've had various discussions and have a commitment to continue these

But until we know how many will be allowed in and when it's all theoretical.
 

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Yes we've had various discussions and have a commitment to continue these

But until we know how many will be allowed in and when it's all theoretical.
👍 That's good to hear, thank you.
As LR will inevitably 'open' to a capacity less than the number of ST holders, some sort of general strategy about how the tickets will be allocated could be canvassed/discussed/agreed/confirmed and communicated by the club well in advance of the first game, even without precise details of numbers, to ensure as many as possible are aware/on board with what's going to happen, as early in the process as possible.
I'd rather know now that I've got no chance, than a week before the first game that's open to fans......
 

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👍 That's good to hear, thank you.
As LR will inevitably 'open' to a capacity less than the number of ST holders, some sort of general strategy about how the tickets will be allocated could be canvassed/discussed/agreed/confirmed and communicated by the club well in advance of the first game, even without precise details of numbers, to ensure as many as possible are aware/on board with what's going to happen, as early in the process as possible.
I'd rather know now that I've got no chance, than a week before the first game that's open to fans......
Before the recent set back, we were heading for a capacity target of between 5 and 6k. That would've been fairly easy to manage as everyone would've got ever other game.

Smaller capacities prove a greater challenge.
 

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Before the recent set back, we were heading for a capacity target of between 5 and 6k. That would've been fairly easy to manage as everyone would've got ever other game.

Smaller capacities prove a greater challenge.
Indeed.......
I think, with everyone having missed out on a ‘proper’ last game at GP send off, the first game at LR will be extemely difficult to manage without causing a lot of upset to a lot of people who think that they ‘deserve’ to be there........
I really do think attendance at the “first game at Lionel Road with fans” will be on everyone’s Christmas List this year......
1,000 available tickets for the first game, for example, will leave at least 10,000 people feeling ‘disappointed’ at best, with a large number of those 10,000 expressing feelings a lot stronger than that!!!!
 

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I went to the pub on Thursday, wore my mask, cleaned my hands, sanitised about 20 times etc. Sat down and kept my distance.

I am sure I could behave in the same way as me if a few thousands went to a football match. Getting to the ground is probably not too different to going shopping.

if people who are behaving responsibly suddenly decide to break the rules because a football has started you ban them from the club and take their season ticket back.
unfortunately not everyone behaves so well, and when drink is taken on board, it gets harder to control and we are forever telling people to put their masks back on as they wander off to the Loo or outside for a smoke.

I am sure that in the main football fans would behave however emotions can easily take over and I am sure a last minute winner against that mob from down the road would result in social distancing flying out the window!!!

have no idea what the answer is but would hazard a guess that returning fans to football is not high on a list of priorities whilst there is uncertainty around
 

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Anyone know how they are dealing with this in France?
Seemed to be a fair few in at the Racing92 v Saracens semi final yesterday......
 

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Probably not adding much to the discussion that hasn't already been said already, but here goes...

Most will probably feel differently, but if I'm honest, watching a game in a 3/4 empty stadium doesn't fill me with excitement.

For me it's all or nothing. I understand we have to make sacrifices for the moment, but our lives/cities/institutions are not designed for social distancing in the long term.

Crowds and closeness and jumping around celebrating a last minute goal with strangers are what football is all about. Trying to police fans in the heat of the moment just sounds miserable. I'd rather wait a bit longer (for a vaccine or whatever solution we end up with) and get into the stadium properly the way New Zealand did it.

Appreciate that others will jump at the chance to get in, even with reduced numbers and strict rules. But until we can all be in there together, football just seems a bit hollow.
 

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unfortunately not everyone behaves so well, and when drink is taken on board, it gets harder to control and we are forever telling people to put their masks back on as they wander off to the Loo or outside for a smoke.

I am sure that in the main football fans would behave however emotions can easily take over and I am sure a last minute winner against that mob from down the road would result in social distancing flying out the window!!!

have no idea what the answer is but would hazard a guess that returning fans to football is not high on a list of priorities whilst there is uncertainty around
Probably not adding much to the discussion that hasn't already been said already, but here goes...

Most will probably feel differently, but if I'm honest, watching a game in a 3/4 empty stadium doesn't fill me with excitement.

For me it's all or nothing. I understand we have to make sacrifices for the moment, but our lives/cities/institutions are not designed for social distancing in the long term.

Crowds and closeness and jumping around celebrating a last minute goal with strangers are what football is all about. Trying to police fans in the heat of the moment just sounds miserable. I'd rather wait a bit longer (for a vaccine or whatever solution we end up with) and get into the stadium properly the way New Zealand did it.

Appreciate that others will jump at the chance to get in, even with reduced numbers and strict rules. But until we can all be in there together, football just seems a bit hollow.
The same rules apply in the pubs. Make games kick off at 11 or 12am, all pubs in vicinity are restricted to covid rules.

If someone steps out of line within the club boundaries then you take their ST away permanently. Outside the ground it is the same as a Saturday night, the club and decent fans should not all suffer become if the lowest common denominator.

If we have to live with this for years to come we need solutions not constant obstacles.

3000 bees fans aregiven the ultimatum, one strike and you at out,
 

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Probably not adding much to the discussion that hasn't already been said already, but here goes...

Most will probably feel differently, but if I'm honest, watching a game in a 3/4 empty stadium doesn't fill me with excitement.

For me it's all or nothing. I understand we have to make sacrifices for the moment, but our lives/cities/institutions are not designed for social distancing in the long term.

Crowds and closeness and jumping around celebrating a last minute goal with strangers are what football is all about. Trying to police fans in the heat of the moment just sounds miserable. I'd rather wait a bit longer (for a vaccine or whatever solution we end up with) and get into the stadium properly the way New Zealand did it.

Appreciate that others will jump at the chance to get in, even with reduced numbers and strict rules. But until we can all be in there together, football just seems a bit hollow.
You wouldn't have stuck around years back then..there were times when a quarter full was a good turn out.
 

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👍 That's good to hear, thank you.
As LR will inevitably 'open' to a capacity less than the number of ST holders, some sort of general strategy about how the tickets will be allocated could be canvassed/discussed/agreed/confirmed and communicated by the club well in advance of the first game, even without precise details of numbers, to ensure as many as possible are aware/on board with what's going to happen, as early in the process as possible.
I'd rather know now that I've got no chance, than a week before the first game that's open to fans......
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