If we don’t go up, who will we lose?

[JCMcBee]

Just tell me when and where.
But please give me a weeks notice,,

lol very good squire......i reckon poor old roy wished he had took a step back before posting.....and you know what they say about snowflakes.....they all melt away in the end.

 

[Doovster]

To answer the question

The miserable fans who wrote the nasty stuff on face book last night about the club.

Hopefully

Well said young Bill. We we're all hurting but sometimes best to reflect in the morning.

Writing sh1te whilst full of emotion never good.

 

[Oceanbee]

Those who aren’t real Brentford supporters, and will just turn up to watch any team that may be doing well at the moment. I’ll gladly lose them to having new young, Brentford supporters for life, replace them.

I have a firm belief that throughout your life you can only ever truly support one team.
You can be interested in other teams, for a number of reasons, and give a look as to how they are doing.

But only one team will shove you through all the contrasting passions of sheer misery and total happiness. For me that started as BRENTFORD in the Royal Oak stand over 60 years ago, and hasn’t stopped since through every year of my life.

You can only ever feel the hurt and pain, like yesterday, and the real highs of all the other successes, if that team is embedded in your body and soul, no matter what division they are in, no matter how they are doing.

All of us would have felt really low yesterday, say a few harsh words in frustration, and then we pick ourselves up again and come back for more.

People, temporary fans, players, will come and go.

But we, true dyed-in-the-wool Brentford, stay with it forever.

 

[nodsmate]

Those who aren’t real Brentford supporters, and will just turn up to watch any team that may be doing well at the moment. I’ll gladly lose them to having new young, Brentford supporters for life, replace them.

I have a firm belief that throughout your life you can only ever truly support one team.
You can be interested in other teams, for a number of reasons, and give a look as to how they are doing.

But only one team will shove you through all the contrasting passions of sheer misery and total happiness. For me that started as BRENTFORD in the Royal Oak stand over 60 years ago, and hasn’t stopped since through every year of my life.

You can only ever feel the hurt and pain, like yesterday, and the real highs of all the other successes, if that team is embedded in your body and soul, no matter what division they are in, no matter how they are doing.

All of us would have felt really low yesterday, say a few harsh words in frustration, and then we pick ourselves up again and come back for more.

People, temporary fans, players, will come and go.

But we, true dyed-in-the-wool Brentford, stay with it forever.

A true statement from a real Bees fan. Well said Oceanbee

 

[TW3Bee]

Don't need this post, we have everything to play for. Why would you want to discuss this sort of stuff now, our season is not over. Why have we not started a thread about the players who could join us if we get promotion.

Just as pointless, which was your point I believe KB.

 

[TW3Bee]

You might get good odds on Auto promotion today for next season I reckon.

Especially as we won't be in the Championship next season.

 

[horshambees]

lol very good squire......i reckon poor old roy wished he had took a step back before posting.....and you know what they say about snowflakes.....they all melt away in the end.

Exactly that my friend.

 

[liverbee]

Social media is full of misery and conspiracy. Add a defeat and it’s purgatory.

 

[wibs]

We'll lose Benrahma if we go up or not. You can see from his Insta posts etc he is trying to "brand" himself. He basically sees himself as potentially too big for Brentford.

In my view, there is nothing wrong with that, you have to maximise your value during what is a relatively short career, as long as he gives 100% and doesn't become a disruptive influence.

As far as I'm concerned this year he has been as good as gold, but unfortunately sees his future at a bigger club, whilst realising playing well for us and getting us up will also reflect well on him as well.

I do think he is genuinely happy here and appreciates the club, but his ambitions, both financial and football wise, are bigger than what we can realistically provide him.

 

[peterbees]

Were going up one way or another...Close this thread

P.M.A. as a certain former manager used to say.

 

[Nada Bee]

We'll lose Benrahma if we go up or not. You can see from his Insta posts etc he is trying to "brand" himself. He basically sees himself as potentially too big for Brentford.

In my view, there is nothing wrong with that, you have to maximise your value during what is a relatively short career, as long as he gives 100% and doesn't become a disruptive influence.

As far as I'm concerned this year he has been as good as gold, but unfortunately sees his future at a bigger club, whilst realising playing well for us and getting us up will also reflect well on him as well.

I do think he is genuinely happy here and appreciates the club, but his ambitions, both financial and football wise, are bigger than what we can realistically provide him.

Yep. Said goes if we don’t go up. Everyone else will stay I reckon except for the out of contract lot.

Fringe players like Valencia and Fosu may go though.

But let’s seee where we are in 2 weeks time.

We will spend wisely regardless.

 

[davebee]

Yep. Said goes if we don’t go up. Everyone else will stay I reckon except for the out of contract lot.

Fringe players like Valencia and Fosu may go though.

But let’s seee where we are in 2 weeks time.

We will spend wisely regardless.

We have only just signed Fosu though? But completely agree that we will spend wisely.

 

[Indian Bee]

Not a criticism of the poster but whom on their minds would start a thread like this on a Sunday morning at 7am.

I am still gutted but perspective please, we just lost our first game in 9, winning the previous 8.

We still have a 70/80% chance in my mind of going up.

 

[marvelous007]

I think we will sell some players, after promotion!.

 

[jbee]

We'll lose Benrahma if we go up or not. You can see from his Insta posts etc he is trying to "brand" himself. He basically sees himself as potentially too big for Brentford.

In my view, there is nothing wrong with that, you have to maximise your value during what is a relatively short career, as long as he gives 100% and doesn't become a disruptive influence.

As far as I'm concerned this year he has been as good as gold, but unfortunately sees his future at a bigger club, whilst realising playing well for us and getting us up will also reflect well on him as well.

I do think he is genuinely happy here and appreciates the club, but his ambitions, both financial and football wise, are bigger than what we can realistically provide him.

Once we start signing players who are happy to stay here forever, that's when we will be in trouble.

 

[nocoat]

Once we start signing players who are happy to stay here forever, that's when we will be in trouble.

Or we are man united !!

 

[jbee]

Or we are man united !!

:yuck:

 

[Brentford77]

Every year it’s the same: one or two or maybe three of our star performers leave and we are left scratching our heads and wondering if the replacements will get even to half of the level of those they replace. And every year for the last few years the replacements turn out to be even better than the departed players. I don’t expect this year to be any different. Let’s face it, Who on here honestly expected Ollie would be able to come close to matching Maupay’s goals. Heck, Karelis was a opportunistic acquisition of a free agent outside the window as we felt we desperately needed a centre forward! And as for when King Jota left and we brought in some Algerian chap who was meant to be a decent replacement... Whichever division we are in next year, we are in good hands.

 

[upnorthbee]

Who knows, but it's just a question init.

We'd probably lose Said and Ollie, potentially Rico too. I'd be surprised if we'd lose too many more than that, and we always always always replace anyway.

Wouldn't even be that shocked to see Bryan be considered as a striker. I reckon if we don't go up this season we'll be there or there abouts next anyway, with the crap coming down from the Premier league too.

 

[hanworthbee]

Definitely Said and possibly Ollie and Rico.I personally would sell Ollie as his value is at his highest atm.Would expect to bring in £70m for The three.

 

[Deanb]

We will struggle to hold onto Rico, I think Jeanvier may go as he hasn't figured at all. Kamo is end of contract, Ollie and Said have potentially already been replaced so the 30-40M will invest in a new LB, CF, Winger, AM, you name it.

If we don't go up this year next year will be special. You might get good odds on Auto promotion today for next season I reckon.

How do you get promoted up from the premier league ?champions league..?

 

[wibs]

Yep. Said goes if we don’t go up. Everyone else will stay I reckon except for the out of contract lot.

Fringe players like Valencia and Fosu may go though.

But let’s seee where we are in 2 weeks time.

We will spend wisely regardless.

No, I said Said will go regardless of whether we go up.

 

[Kingston Bee]

Just as pointless, which was your point I believe KB.

Exactly.

 

[Deanb]

Not a criticism of the poster but whom on their minds would start a thread like this on a Sunday morning at 7am.

I am still gutted but perspective please, we just lost our first game in 9, winning the previous 8.

We still have a 70/80% chance in my mind of going up.

And automatic to ...I can just feel it warbs team gonna do us a favour and hold them to a draw ..we gonna beat Barnsley gpg goes into meltdown ..Mathew interviewed how he feels and says the f word again...every major newspaper in the uk runs the headline BRENTFORD promoted to the premier league....believe ladies and gents believe ..

 

[West Wilts Bee]

Yep. Said goes if we don’t go up. Everyone else will stay I reckon except for the out of contract lot.

Fringe players like Valencia and Fosu may go though.

But let’s seee where we are in 2 weeks time.

We will spend wisely regardless.

Fosu will not be going, has the ability to beat players something we need.

 

[hairman]

Not being pessimistic, just interested to get thoughts on who we would lose. Apologies if there has already been a thread on this.

Said and Ollie for certain if the right offers come in.

Anyone else?

Probably everyone apart from Betinho.

 

[nocoat]

Even bob the kit man will go

 

[Nada Bee]

No, I said Said will go regardless of whether we go up.

Sorry my grammar wasn’t clear. I was meaning to agree with you

 

[hairman]

Even bob the kit man will go

To the RaRas no doubt.

 

[Mr Cynical]

I think it's pretty obvious that both Watkins and Benhrama will go if we don't go up (Benhrama probably even if we do). Other than that I think we'd be in quite a strong position to keep the rest and would have a very strong basis to go for it next season. Mbuemo is still young and learning, likewise with DaSilva. Norgaard has been fairly under the radar as has Rico despite an excellent season. It's possible Pontus might want to move on if we don't go up but he seems so much happier here than at Leeds so I suspect he'd want to stay on and see the job through.

 

[TW1Bee]

Whatever happens whoever we might lose I'm extremely confident that the way this club us run we will have every contingency plan in process for whatever challenges we are going to face next season.

 

[nick logan]

Whatever happens whoever we might lose I'm extremely confident that the way this club us run we will have every contingency plan in process for whatever challenges we are going to face next season.

you can be 100 % confident

 

[Better Beehave]

Personally think two or three at most. Benny, Ethan & Ollie & in that order of certainty..

 

[Eieieio]

i actually wonder if Josh Dasilva might be on some radars.

what's good though is that even when you take some of those names away, we're still left with some pretty great players who would get into most of the top team's lineups, methinks. I can't see us plummeting down the league table next year if it is to be championship again.

 

['Ayes B]

This thread title grates me a liitle, it sound so negative, adds unnecessary angst and pressure.

the truth is in 99.9% of the cases, when ever a player has left we have UPGRADED and have been stronger in that position.

Can it please be renamed to IF we dont go up, who would leave to be replaced with better

 

[readingbee]

This thread title grates me a liitle, it sound so negative, adds unnecessary angst and pressure.

the truth is in 99.9% of the cases, when ever a player has left we have UPGRADED and have been stronger in that position.

Can it please be renamed to IF we dont go up, who would leave to be replaced with better

This.

Losing players these days is the least of my BFC worries as Ayers B says we just recruit better players.

 

[andyrew]

As long as we have our leader we'll be fine.

 

[The Pipe]

Personally not concerned, if we sell we get big bucks and with a bigger kitty can get even better replacements, we have not been let down in the past and I see no reason why we should this window

 

[Stevebornobee]

I'm sure that if Ollie and Benrahma do go then the powers that be will already know where their replacements are coming from ...and the rest of the 50million will no doubt be primed for further additions

 

[TadB]

I'm sure that if Ollie and Benrahma do go then the powers that be will already know where their replacements are coming from ...and the rest of the 50million will no doubt be primed for further additions

First of all I doubt that it will be £50 million. Whatever, most of our purchases go with a large sell on clause probably 30% plus Agents fees (not cheap), plus the on going costs of running a scouting system. For example we have a full time Scout in France. So your £50 million will likely be reduced to something in the region of £30 mill. Then maybe you had over looked the fact that the club normally lose about £12 million a year. It is also doubtful that the purchasing clubs pay up front but in easy payments over three years or so further reducing the final sum. Then of course we face the very real costs of playing in a new stadium in front of empty stands. No one can guarantee that the entire season will be played in an empty stadium or until we get a vaccine for Covid in which case the annual loss will at least double. So please do not be disappointed if we do not sign that expensive striker, I will be happy if we still have a club to support in 12 months time. Many supporters may watch their club go to the wall this coming season.

 

[WARFIELD BEE]

First of all I doubt that it will be £50 million. Whatever, most of our purchases go with a large sell on clause probably 30% plus Agents fees (not cheap), plus the on going costs of running a scouting system. For example we have a full time Scout in France. So your £50 million will likely be reduced to something in the region of £30 mill. Then maybe you had over looked the fact that the club normally lose about £12 million a year. It is also doubtful that the purchasing clubs pay up front but in easy payments over three years or so further reducing the final sum. Then of course we face the very real costs of playing in a new stadium in front of empty stands. No one can guarantee that the entire season will be played in an empty stadium or until we get a vaccine for Covid in which case the annual loss will at least double. So please do not be disappointed if we do not sign that expensive striker, I will be happy if we still have a club to support in 12 months time. Many supporters may watch their club go to the wall this coming season.

Also sell on fee to be paid to Exeter.

 

[Stevebornobee]

First of all I doubt that it will be £50 million. Whatever, most of our purchases go with a large sell on clause probably 30% plus Agents fees (not cheap), plus the on going costs of running a scouting system. For example we have a full time Scout in France. So your £50 million will likely be reduced to something in the region of £30 mill. Then maybe you had over looked the fact that the club normally lose about £12 million a year. It is also doubtful that the purchasing clubs pay up front but in easy payments over three years or so further reducing the final sum. Then of course we face the very real costs of playing in a new stadium in front of empty stands. No one can guarantee that the entire season will be played in an empty stadium or until we get a vaccine for Covid in which case the annual loss will at least double. So please do not be disappointed if we do not sign that expensive striker, I will be happy if we still have a club to support in 12 months time. Many supporters may watch their club go to the wall this coming season.

I realise all of those things and I have every confidence in those concerned that they will have every Avenue covered in respect of them we are no longer a team that sells our best players to the first bidder though and I am sure despite everything that no one will get any of them for less than what the club valuation of them is aka 25 million for Watkins and 30 million for Benrahma

 

[TadB]

I realise all of those things and I have every confidence in those concerned that they will have every Avenue covered in respect of them we are no longer a team that sells our best players to the first bidder though and I am sure despite everything that no one will get any of them for less than what the club valuation of them is aka 25 million for Watkins and 30 million for Benrahma

Like you I have every confidence in the management, I am also quite sure that we will not sell players for less than the market value, and nothing in my post gave any indication otherwise. Neither you, nor I with any accuracy can place the current market value on any of the players likely to be transferred, all we have to go on are the various, click bait sites, alleged experts, and posts on this site. Although casting some doubt on your estimated figure I did not dispute it. My point was, that whatever that figure is then there are as indicated some very large deductions to be made (sells on etc) plus that the club, who already lose money, may have to traverse the entire season with no crowd, or one that is very much reduced, and accordingly revenue. Whenever any of us, who are watching closely, attempt to second guess transfer activity we need to take into account the very real, and serious economic environment that the club are currently operating in. For most clubs outside the Premier League or at least those with a solid management structure the emphasis will be on survival for this season, and maybe beyond. Accordingly I do not expect there to be very much deviation from the cautious transfer policy of the previous few years. Indeed it would not surprise me if we were not looking to find bargains among what could be called fire sales from clubs (home & abroad) who see a bleak financial future for themselves, and seek to reduce costs/wages bills etc.