Is the Squad 'Much weaker' than last year after transfer window?

Mr Cynical

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A lot of people have suggested we've come out of the window with a squad a lot weaker than last seasons, so thought it might be good to compare squads;

Goalkeepers: Raya, Daniels no change. Balcombe and Gunnarsson swap.

No substantial change.

Full backs: Henry, Dalsgaard, Roerslev, Thompson - no change.

Roerslev's injury is a prob though he's due back soonish. On the flip side Thompson has stepped up and is looking a decent backup now which he was nowhere near last season.

Centre Backs: Pontus, Pinnock - no change. Jeanvier/Racic swapped with Goode/Sorenson.

No change with first choice. Jeanvier was ok but inconsistent, Goode looks a promising replacement but obviously it's a step up. Sorenson has looked very good so far in Carabao cup.

Midfield: Norgaard, DaSilva, Jensen, Marcondes, Baptiste - no change. Mokotjo replaced by Janelt. Zamburek and Yearwood not replaced (Maghoma likely to step up into Yearwood's spot if needed)

No real change in the squad other than Mokotjo being replaced by Janelt who's more of a DM than a box to box player. I guess this is where some people will say we're weaker but Mokotjo was v inconsistent and never really looked comfortable as cover for Norgaard. Time will tell if Janelt is a better option but he's certainly a better fit for that role. Yearwood never really played and Zamburek had a few bit parts but was never really a starter so I don't think we'll miss those two.. Baptiste, once over his injury problems, should be more of a starting option than last season. Norgaard injury is obviously a disaster but that would have been the same last year as we saw at the beginning of the season..

Wingers: Canos, Mbuemo, Fosu as before. Benhrama replaced by Ghoddos. Valencia not replaced (unless you count Canos' return from injury?)

So this is the big one.. Can Ghoddos fill Said's golden shoes? Obviously he's unlikely to have the outrageous flair that Said had but he is a lot more experienced and has played at a higher level so may turn out to be a better option for the team. His showreel on YouTube is almost as impressive as Said's. Fingers crossed!! Backup wise we now have Canos and Fosu where we had Canos/Fosu and Valencia. I don't think that's a substantial change though Valencia hardly made a big impact. Big season for both Sergi and Tarique, lots of potential but decision making/final ball needs big improvement. If that can happen then we've got a v good selection of wide players.

Strikers: Nobody left!! Watkins replaced by Toney. Karelis/Dervisoglu replaced by Forss.

You could reasonably argue that this is the one area where we have actually improved the squad. Toney is starting to look the part and Forss is proving an able deputy. Also gives us an option of 2 up top which we haven't had for years.


Summary

Whilst I would agree we're probably not stronger than last season I don't see us as being massively weaker. We have potential to be stronger in some areas if players can up their level from next season and/or settle in quickly and we've seen previously that players often pick up in their second year with us. The back five is exactly the same, we've kept key players like Rico, DaSilva, Raya. Mbuemo. The injury to Norgaard is a massive problem and I think that's what's caused the fretting rather than the sale of Watkins/Said. The difference this time around is that we do actually have a replacement for that role. Ok, we probably won't have wanted to throw him in this early but he's played 50 odd games in the Bundesliga 2 so is not inexperienced. Ghoddos too whilst perhaps not as extravagant as Said is v experienced and has played in the Europa League and Ligue 1... Clearly people have doubts about the attacking midfield slots but Jensen, Marcondes and Baptiste can all bring something to the table alongside an exponentially improving Josh DaSilva.. Consistency is the key and hopefully now we've a more settled squad we'll start to see that over the next few weeks with games coming thick and fast.
 

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I generally agree. We’re stronger than at the start of last season, weaker than at the end of last season. If Toney, Ghoddos, Canos and Fosu can play well, the team play well together and last season’s new players show the benefit of a year’s experience and bedding into the club, country and league, we’ll be capable of doing at least as well.
 

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I don't think we are much weaker than the start of last season. Hopefully Toney and Forss can replace some of the goals from Said/Ollie.Hopefully the likes of JDS, Henry, Pinnock, Raya and Bryan can become players of the same stature as Ollie/Said and really move to a different level. If they do I'm sure we will be fine. We can strengthen in Jan if we are struggling 👍 my personal hope is that we are just as much fun to watch.
 

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The only area I would say we have a gap is the sawyers type player to help unlock those park the bus type teams. But we had that gap last year too. Its a slower possession style which we seemed to have moved away from to get the ball up quick.
 

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Worth noting that ‘no change’ is personnel does not mean ‘no change’ in quality. As an example I’d suggest that JDS and Marcondes are better players today than they were at the start of last season, amongst others.
 

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I generally agree. We’re stronger than at the start of last season, weaker than at the end of last season. If Toney, Ghoddos, Canos and Fosu can play well, the team play well together and last season’s new players show the benefit of a year’s experience and bedding into the club, country and league, we’ll be capable of doing at least as well.
This is how I see it. Don't forget Norgaard took a while to settle, as did Raya to an extent in terms of his distribution. So on that basis I would put midfield and goalkeeper as stronger (notwithstanding CN's injury). Other areas generally on a par, with wide attackers (don't really like calling them wingers) perhaps the one area we're weaker given SB's departure and Ghoddos an unknown quantity in this division.
 

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GK - No real change
DEF - No change, Right Back area looks weaker, but Goode has looked good and I believe in time will be an improvement on JJ. Left Back slightly stronger but if we lost Henry I wouldnt like Thompson starting to many games at the moment but hopefully he will improve.
MIDFIELD - No real change but I believe it was the weakest area last season. CN and Josh top players but Ive felt all summer and even last season we needed a big upgrade on the attacking Midfield role. Somebody like a young Judge.
WINGERS - Weaker unless Bryan finds his form back.
CENTRE FORWARD - Promising I like both Toney and Forss but Ollie is a hard act to follow.
Overall SQUAD - not that much weaker if players here regain their form. But felt we should have address the attacking midfield role. Expected finish between 8th and 11th.
 

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Impossible to know right now, at this stage last season Ollie was an unknown quantity and Saïd was in-and-out. We're certainly stronger in depth and the players from the start of last season are a year more experienced.
 

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Seriously impressed with Toney today. Could really get a big number. Very impressed with Janelt - looks to have some of the Norgaard qualities and possibly more. Impressed with Ghoddos, who is warming up nicely. Watch these spaces!
 

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After 5 league games Toney has scored three more than Watkins last season. I think we’ll be fine.
 

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Maybe not quite what the thread is asking, but I think we seem to have a lot more continuity from the previous season than we've had for a while. Sure, we've lost two huge players, but new arrivals seem to have slotted right in and look like they get the way we play.
 

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Also, while outright quality and flair may be slightly lower than last season, I think we have the potential to perform more consistently. The big question is whether we can overcome the difficultly when playing teams like Forest who will try and sh*thouse their way past us.
 

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Worth noting that ‘no change’ is personnel does not mean ‘no change’ in quality. As an example I’d suggest that JDS and Marcondes are better players today than they were at the start of last season, amongst others.
Exactly - also have to consider that several players will be a level above last year due to their own development and/or having a season of Championship football and Bees training under belts. That includes Raya, Pinnock, Norgaard, Hensen, Marcondes, Mbeumo and especially Da Silva. Based on this we are probably stronger although Benrahma talent irreplaceable on a one on one basis but a team is a sum of its parts and other players like Ghoddos have other strengths to bring to bear.
The only downside at moment is amount of injuries picked up particularly Norgaard and Roerslev but on reverse side of coin the division is weaker and a lot of the good sides have been raided of their best players.
And ...unlike almost every other team in this division we have money in bank to strength in January should we need to
 

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I would say that the squad is much stronger than this time last season.

Watkins was an unknown quantity... We strengthend well mid season and all of the players have developed
 

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If Janelt is a player (and he looks to be, but need to see him a few more times), then we look good.

Toney even looks an upgrade on the strikers we've had for the past few season, PLUS we have a proper backup (competition, call it what you like) in Forss.

The only doubt at the moment is the replacement for Benrahma, whomever that is. It's not Canos, but it might be Ghoddos...let's see.

Pontus is another doubt to me. Quite a few errors now (Preston and for Sweden). I keep hearing that his leadership and organisational skills are key, but I could do that and I don't think I would command a place.

We need more leaders, Pontus and Henrik aren't enough. Norgaard may be that person. But who in the midfield is going to be the Keith Jones of the team?
 

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If Janelt is a player (and he looks to be, but need to see him a few more times), then we look good.

Toney even looks an upgrade on the strikers we've had for the past few season, PLUS we have a proper backup (competition, call it what you like) in Forss.

The only doubt at the moment is the replacement for Benrahma, whomever that is. It's not Canos, but it might be Ghoddos...let's see.

Pontus is another doubt to me. Quite a few errors now (Preston and for Sweden). I keep hearing that his leadership and organisational skills are key, but I could do that and I don't think I would command a place.

We need more leaders, Pontus and Henrik aren't enough. Norgaard may be that person. But who in the midfield is going to be the Keith Jones of the team?
Very good summary.

The only player we cannot replace because he is irreplaceable at Championship level is Benrahma.

Otherwise the squad looks very strong overall.

The key for me is to pick up a reasonable return of points during the first 10 league games and make sure we're in touch with the top 6. I think we'll get stronger as the season goes on and players settle and also clubs with bigger deeper squads will come into play.

9 or 10 points from next 5 games will be key.
 

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We’re stronger than we were this time last season. Jensen, Mbeumo, Marcondes, Norgaard etc have a years‘ championship experience under their belts. It took Watkins a little while to get up to speed and we now have Toney who is flying (5 in 3?) with a very decent striker in Forss on the bench.
We also have Baptiste who I believe will play a big part this season and Fosu. With Ghoddos whom I’m very excited about.
We also have 2 options for every position which will be important this season in particular.
 

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