Ivan Toney - Signs to June 2025

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That bit of defending near the end was brilliant. Summed him up; he works his nuts off and scores for fun. :love:
Also in short time Forss was on and playing in a deeper role there were signs that two of them getting an understanding of how to play together. Could be very useful as season wears on. Maybe Plan B becomes three at the back and two up top with Forss just behind Toney?
 

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This guy is a monster! That defending at the end when he was left back.. His workrate is phenomenal and he's starting to get to grips with the hold up play we need, if only more players would get closer to him. Fosu was miles away for most of the first half. I think that was part of the reason for the tactical change from Frank..
 

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Also in short time Forss was on and playing in a deeper role there were signs that two of them getting an understanding of how to play together. Could be very useful as season wears on. Maybe Plan B becomes three at the back and two up top with Forss just behind Toney?
Agreed, there was a period where the two of them were pulling their defence all over the place.
 

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The thing about him is that he will be very difficult to mark out a game. Some players you know that if you stop them, you stop the team but he is such a presence - you can't easily double, triple up on an imposing centre forward.
 

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The thing about him is that he will be very difficult to mark out a game. Some players you know that if you stop them, you stop the team but he is such a presence - you can't easily double, triple up on an imposing centre forward.
Particularly when he scores goals like tonight. As a defender, you can't switch off for a second when you're up against a striker like him, who attacks the ball like he does.
 

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How does one replace a striker that we sold for £28m. We get Ivan Toney. TF made reference to this in his interview he is a leader on the pitch. I agree. The coaching team deserves so much credit as we really make players better. Ivan for us is still very much work in progress but I can't remember any player since I first started supporting Brentford that made such an immediate impact. Ivan will get better and better as the season progresses which is only good news for us.
 

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Ivan will get better and better as the season progresses which is only good news for us.
Yes, with regards to gelling with the rest of the players. Agree it's also good to have another leader on the pitch too. However, he has got to be managed carefully. He already plays with strapping and the regularity of games this season will knacker even the fittest of players. It's great that we have a great finisher in Forss to come on and relieve the pressure, but his all-round game is not yet at Toney's level (e.g. defending in his own box). Toney is not going to be able to play 90 mins of every league game, like Watkins did last year (or it seemed like it!) and if we want to get the best out of him, he's going to need a rest now and again.
 

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How does one replace a striker that we sold for £28m. We get Ivan Toney. TF made reference to this in his interview he is a leader on the pitch. I agree. The coaching team deserves so much credit as we really make players better. Ivan for us is still very much work in progress but I can't remember any player since I first started supporting Brentford that made such an immediate impact. Ivan will get better and better as the season progresses which is only good news for us.
The closest I can think of was actually a pairing and that was Joseph and Mahoney.
 

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Yes, with regards to gelling with the rest of the players. Agree it's also good to have another leader on the pitch too. However, he has got to be managed carefully. He already plays with strapping and the regularity of games this season will knacker even the fittest of players. It's great that we have a great finisher in Forss to come on and relieve the pressure, but his all-round game is not yet at Toney's level (e.g. defending in his own box). Toney is not going to be able to play 90 mins of every league game, like Watkins did last year (or it seemed like it!) and if we want to get the best out of him, he's going to need a rest now and again.
I agree with all you noted. One big difference is that Ivan unlike most of our squad had a long pre-season break from end March to September. The biggest plus for us this year is that we have a back up for Toney in Forss unlike last year when we were 'lucky' with injuries and Watkins played every league game and all minutes with no back up.
 

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I agree with all you noted. One big difference is that Ivan unlike most of our squad had a long pre-season break from end March to September. The biggest plus for us this year is that we have a back up for Toney in Forss unlike last year when we were 'lucky' with injuries and Watkins played every league game and all minutes with no back up.
Very true but I still think Thomas will given Forss a couple of starts during the next few weeks and use Ivan from bench. He has already made reference to fact he has to be brave in selection choices managing the squad.
 

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The thing about him is that he will be very difficult to mark out a game. Some players you know that if you stop them, you stop the team but he is such a presence - you can't easily double, triple up on an imposing centre forward.
If anyone tries to double or triple up on him it’ll provide a great opportunity for Bryan and JDS to bag a few goals.
 

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10/10 last night, won't be bullied and happy to dig in at the end.

I'll wear my tin hat now, but if he carries on like this, we'll get more for him than we did for Ollie.
 

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Did I hear right on Friday, Sky commentator saying our coaches had identified heading as a weakness in IT's game, and were specifically working with him on it?
Seems a bit odd, as he consistently wins balls from set pieces in our area (in fact I'm sure I saw that identified as a strong point from last season when we signed him) and has scored 3 (?) with his head so far this season.....
 

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maybe hard to hang on to him next month . £40m , we still have Forss and can get a winger
 

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Same as last season, if we are in and around Top 6 in Jan no way do we sell Ivan Toney.
As others have said Forss is great as a young back-up still learning the game, but we do not want to chop and change the spine of the team mid season.
 
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Did I hear right on Friday, Sky commentator saying our coaches had identified heading as a weakness in IT's game, and were specifically working with him on it?
Seems a bit odd, as he consistently wins balls from set pieces in our area (in fact I'm sure I saw that identified as a strong point from last season when we signed him) and has scored 3 (?) with his head so far this season.....
That Sky commentator had more than a touch of the Alan Partridges about him and seemed to be talking nonsense all evening..
 

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Did I hear right on Friday, Sky commentator saying our coaches had identified heading as a weakness in IT's game, and were specifically working with him on it?
Seems a bit odd, as he consistently wins balls from set pieces in our area (in fact I'm sure I saw that identified as a strong point from last season when we signed him) and has scored 3 (?) with his head so far this season.....
I didn't listen to Sky but I'm sure there are many areas of improvement identified for Toney and it may be that heading is one of them. He needs to work on arriving at the POMO, I think, but that also is a factor of supply from players getting closer.
 

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especially after Janelt’s goal.
“sh*t, did you see that? He must have a foot like a traction engine”.
A bit odd as he actually placed the ball rather that wellying it.
 

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Pure class on and off the pitch.
Everyone says it luck with our recruitment.
It's not luck.
He is an intelligent player who could well be a future captain. His interviews also suggest he is smart enough to go into management.
 

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Did I hear right on Friday, Sky commentator saying our coaches had identified heading as a weakness in IT's game, and were specifically working with him on it?
Seems a bit odd, as he consistently wins balls from set pieces in our area (in fact I'm sure I saw that identified as a strong point from last season when we signed him) and has scored 3 (?) with his head so far this season.....
It is possible- 2 of those 3 headed goals were in the last two games so maybe he’s been working on it with the coaches. Both were very neat finishes combining excellent movement and ideal crosses in (as well as him making sure he didn’t let his marker get goal side of him).
 

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It is possible- 2 of those 3 headed goals were in the last two games so maybe he’s been working on it with the coaches. Both were very neat finishes combining excellent movement and ideal crosses in (as well as him making sure he didn’t let his marker get goal side of him).
.....I've noticed he does like to take a low cross with his head.....rather than using his feet.....I reckon this is something he has practiced and become very adept at.......Kane at Spurs does this too.......both brave strikers IMO......and both no doubt will receive several kicks in the head during their career.
 

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Is his name pronounced Ivan - as in evangelical, or Ivan, as in, I’ve an upset stomach? Just want to be sure I’m shouting the right name at the telly.
You‘ll be lucky! If Mbeumo is anything to go by, we hear different pronunciations every week.
 

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a goal, an assist and a superb all round performance. Turning into a leader.
 

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Forget the goals... which is difficult. This man is unbelievable.
I thought Watkins was a great team player.
IT is taking it to another level.
So so good.
 

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There are 20 Heads of Recruitment in the PL, and another 10 or 12 in the Championship (at least) who should have been handed their P45 by now.

Just how the hell did we get him for £5m?
I think when he does leave us, Peterborough will be getting much more than that.............
 

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I think when he does leave us, Peterborough will be getting much more than that.............
I think their owner basically said as much, selling to us where they knew he’d prosper meant they were going to get a lot more in total than if they’d just got a higher initial payment from someone less good at development.
 

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The guy is brilliant ,football wise , leadership and team work . I hope we dont get to rely on him too much !
 

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The leadership aspect of his game hadn't really hit me until last night. We were defending a corner and he was doing as much organising as Pontus. Simply superb. Then there was the way he was still encouraging everyone else, as he was being substituted, including those coming on.

Also, last night Rotherham tried everything to try to wind him up and he just kept his cool and that is also the mark of a leader.

And, on the subject of being cool, his penalty....:cool:
 

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