Ivan Toney - Signs to June 2025

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Yep Toney first choice and Forss second choice. Most likely if one is not on pitch the other will be. Wonder who third choice is? Vitaly looks like he could take a cool penalty? Not Sergi he wears his heart on his sleeve like the fans!

you’re probably right with Forss statistically , but my gut instinct would prefer Da Silva. I’d feel calmer as he took it
 

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Well it was 4-2. Not sure that you or I would feel under pressure in those circumstances :)

my point was that I’ve not seen him finish that kind of chance. And he did it well

I would have chipped it over
 

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Well it was 4-2. Not sure that you or I would feel under pressure in those circumstances :)
As a striker you always will he nailed it. But may have been a different story if hadn’t already scored in game ..he is back up and rolling as regards hitting the net
 

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Ivan's slight-doubt-making 'dry spell' coming to an end just as the transfer window slams shut. Thank you Jeebus.
 

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So when do we find out if he was officially given the goal yesterday
 

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I think the thing that sets him apart from Maupay and Watkins that makes him, imo, the best player out of the three of them is his leadership qualities. They can all score goals, link up play and work hard but Toney does also get in the ref's ear and cajoles those around him which the other two didn't really do. I really like him and I think he can score goals at any level.
 
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I think the thing that sets him apart from Maupay and Watkins that makes him, imo, the best player out of the three of them is his leadership qualities. They can all score goals, link up play and work hard but Toney does also get in the ref's ear and cajoles those around him which the other two didn't really do. I really like him and I think he can score goals at any level.
Yup. I agree, but he also strikes me as an entertainer. A crowd pleaser !
His penalty technique, for instance. Not only highly effective but brilliant to watch.
I think he's going to score even more often with us lot cheering him on in the stadium.
I hope we don't have to wait too much longer. :hat:
 

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I think the thing that sets him apart from Maupay and Watkins that makes him, imo, the best player out of the three of them is his leadership qualities. They can all score goals, link up play and work hard but Toney does also get in the ref's ear and cajoles those around him which the other two didn't really do. I really like him and I think he can score goals at any level.
I would still say Watkins offers more in terms of overall play.
 

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Yup. I agree, but he also strikes me as an entertainer. A crowd pleaser !
His penalty technique, for instance. Not only highly effective but brilliant to watch.
I think he's going to score even more often with us lot cheering him on in the stadium.
I hope we don't have to wait too much longer. :hat:

Love it but it also scares me :)
 

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League stats this season:

Games: 25
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Goals: 19
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Assists: 6
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In other words, guaranteed a goal or assist in EVERY league game he plays.
 

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Every Brentford penalty is an adventure as far as I’m concerned but at least IT has a proven technique that works for him.
In recent years from memory only Maupay comes close imo to his technique and confidence when taking them. His leadership on the pitch is awesome, and I would have no problem with him being made captain at some point. Possibly the best player we have brought to the club in my lifetime, and will play in the prem without doubt, just hope it's with us.
 

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I would still say Watkins offers more in terms of overall play.
They are such different players. Both really outstanding in what they do. What I do like about Toney is that he has assumed a senior pro role in the team so quickly - leading by example, taking the battle to the opposition. I would be intrigued to see how he could get on in the Prem. I think he is more of a gamble to prem managers than Watkins in that respect, as he is a different kind of athlete. Put him in a well drilled team (like us for example) and I am sure he would flourish.
 

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They are such different players. Both really outstanding in what they do. What I do like about Toney is that he has assumed a senior pro role in the team so quickly - leading by example, taking the battle to the opposition. I would be intrigued to see how he could get on in the Prem. I think he is more of a gamble to prem managers than Watkins in that respect, as he is a different kind of athlete. Put him in a well drilled team (like us for example) and I am sure he would flourish.

Cant argue with that.

I will say he gets "too involved" with the opposition sometimes and moaning at the ref etc. Hes good enough to not worry about all that nonsense.
 

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In recent years from memory only Maupay comes close imo to his technique and confidence when taking them. His leadership on the pitch is awesome, and I would have no problem with him being made captain at some point. Possibly the best player we have brought to the club in my lifetime, and will play in the prem without doubt, just hope it's with us.
I'd say Benrahma's pens were better than Maupay's
 

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Cant argue with that.

I will say he gets "too involved" with the opposition sometimes and moaning at the ref etc. Hes good enough to not worry about all that nonsense.
Until recently, I felt that he didn't get involved when the opposition tried to wind him up. Maybe a bit of frustration, on his part, at his barren spell?
 

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Oct 6, 2018 Peterborough v Barnsley

Didn't matter as they lost 4-0

Interestingly, that was the only penalty he took between Oct 2016 and Jan 2020

And before he'd found his current technique
 
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Every Brentford penalty is an adventure as far as I’m concerned but at least IT has a proven technique that works for him.
It wasn't so long ago it was an adventure of a different kind NLB.
Never ever seemed to put them away.
Barbet hitting the Wendy House top tier, Jug Ears, Clayton, plus the obvious one.
I was always cr@pping myself whenever we got one but not these days.

Anyone got any stats from back then compared to now?
 

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I’m still trying to work out his penalty technique. My 5 year old grandson could save one if he went the right way. The point is the keeper never does!
Bloody amazing
 

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I’m still trying to work out his penalty technique. My 5 year old grandson could save one if he went the right way. The point is the keeper never does!
Bloody amazing
You're missing the key part of his technique; he watches the keeper and when they "twitch" one way or the other, he puts it the opposite side. It's so cool, it's obscene. :cool:
 
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It wasn't so long ago it was an adventure of a different kind NLB.
Never ever seemed to put them away.
Barbet hitting the Wendy House top tier, Jug Ears, Clayton, plus the obvious one.
I was always cr@pping myself whenever we got one but not these days.

Anyone got any stats from back then compared to now?
Got them all. One day I will compare them.
 

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I’m still trying to work out his penalty technique. My 5 year old grandson could save one if he went the right way. The point is the keeper never does!
Bloody amazing
I think he must wait until the keeper has committed himself before kicking the ball. I can think of no other reason why they never get near it.
 

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You're missing the key part of his technique; he watches the keeper and when they "twitch" one way or the other, he puts it the opposite side. It's so cool, it's obscene. :cool:

Nah, he hypnotises the keeper into committing himself one way, then strokes the ball the other way.
 

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Maybe I'm naive but I was surprised to hear Darragh mcanthony say Ivan is on 30k a week on the BBC podcast the other day
 

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The other podcast McAnthony did said he was on £38k a week, iirc?!!

It's on here somewhere.............
 

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Maybe I'm naive but I was surprised to hear Darragh mcanthony say Ivan is on 30k a week on the BBC podcast the other day
We offered not far short of that to Maupay to stay 2 seasons ago so not that surprising if it includes goal bonuses etc. We’re not low payers now, though there are probably quite a few who’ve come through the ranks or been recruited before they had a big role elsewhere (eg JDS) who are likely to be on relatively bargain wages until they get a renewal/extension (eg IIRC Forss was on pennies before his new deal).
 

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I think the thing that sets him apart from Maupay and Watkins that makes him, imo, the best player out of the three of them is his leadership qualities. They can all score goals, link up play and work hard but Toney does also get in the ref's ear and cajoles those around him which the other two didn't really do. I really like him and I think he can score goals at any level.


He works his nuts off but what he doesn't give you is that raw pace of Watkins to work the channels and close down with the high press, there was nothing more devastating than watching Watkins, Bryan and SB breaking away like the red arrows changing formation. However I think this change of style is equally as affective and the additional qualities out way the speedy counter and with the cover Janelt gives allows JDS to to break from deep far more often dropping that shoulder then ghosting past.
 

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We offered not far short of that to Maupay to stay 2 seasons ago so not that surprising if it includes goal bonuses etc. We’re not low payers now, though there are probably quite a few who’ve come through the ranks or been recruited before they had a big role elsewhere (eg JDS) who are likely to be on relatively bargain wages until they get a renewal/extension (eg IIRC Forss was on pennies before his new deal).

Didn't JDS sign a new contract recently?
 

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You're missing the key part of his technique; he watches the keeper and when they "twitch" one way or the other, he puts it the opposite side. It's so cool, it's obscene. :cool:


I have to watch it through my fingers, I hate it when they zoom in on his eyes during the run up. Ballottelli did exactly the same thing and never missed. It only works if you are able to hit it that hard with no backlift. When we were messing about trying it at my sons training If you are right footed and need to go right I have to shift my whole body to open up so I can't disguise it, probably because I am pigeon toed. When the keeper twitches IT does glance down last second when he makes contact.
 

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Yup. I agree, but he also strikes me as an entertainer. A crowd pleaser !
His penalty technique, for instance. Not only highly effective but brilliant to watch.
I think he's going to score even more often with us lot cheering him on in the stadium.
I hope we don't have to wait too much longer. :hat:

I think Ivan’s penalty taking style is down to his ability to make a last minute split second decision.

A lot of penalty takers are well known for making their own decision about where they are going to place it before their run-up.

Ivan’s style because of his walking run-up is that at the last split second he sees where the goalkeeper has literally just started to dive towards, and then calmly places it in the opposite corner.

That’s my view is that because his movement towards kicking the ball is so slow, he can adjust the direction of the shot in a split second.

He also has the ability to outstare the keeper giving nothing away. Plus he has so much control on the ball, that it’s never going to be blazed wide, or over the bar. It’s always going to be in target!

It’s a real skill for him to have the calmness and assuredness to do that.

Very few players have that.
 

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I think Ivan’s penalty taking style is down to his ability to make a last minute split second decision.

A lot of penalty takers are well known for making their own decision about where they are going to place it before their run-up.

Ivan’s style because of his walking run-up is that at the last split second he sees where the goalkeeper has literally just started to dive towards, and then calmly places it in the opposite corner.

That’s my view is that because his movement towards kicking the ball is so slow, he can adjust the direction of the shot in a split second.

He also has the ability to outstare the keeper giving nothing away. Plus he has so much control on the ball, that it’s never going to be blazed wide, or over the bar. It’s always going to be in target!

It’s a real skill for him to have the calmness and assuredness to do that.

Very few players have that.

He takes penalties like when you’re playing with a toddler and teasing them by seeing where they’re going and putting it the other way. Except at much higher pace and power. It’s made easier by having such a short run up as he gives the keeper fewer physical cues and forces them to guess. That gives him the fraction of a second needed to put it the other side. But it’s only doable if you can generate as much power as he does with so little momentum from a run or backlift.
 

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It wasn't so long ago it was an adventure of a different kind NLB.
Never ever seemed to put them away.
Barbet hitting the Wendy House top tier, Jug Ears, Clayton, plus the obvious one.
I was always cr@pping myself whenever we got one but not these days.

Anyone got any stats from back then compared to now?
I seem to remember Peter Gelson putting one into orbit many moons ago.
 
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