Ivan Toney - Signs to June 2025 (5 Viewers)

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Surely the fact he’s so important for the team, and has played nearly every game, is the reason he shouldn’t play in this game.
OK you can tell him he can't play and break the Championship scoring record - good luck 🤣
 

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Are you suggesting Thomas Frank doesn’t have the respect or authority to pick the team and that Ivan is the one deciding who starts?
Erm in this instance I'd suggest you have no chance of stopping him playing as to do so would potentially leave you with an unhappy player. There well may well be an agreement that he plays x minutes then comes off though.
 

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Erm in this instance I'd suggest you have no chance of stopping him playing as to do so would potentially leave you with an unhappy player. There well may well be an agreement that he plays x minutes then comes off though.
Im not sure the dynamic between Frank and Toney is as you suggest or that Toney is as selfish as you think either.

I’d like to think he’s intelligent enough to realise that an individual scoring record is not as important as the club securing promotion and would realise any decision Frank makes is what he considers to be the best chance of achieving that aim.

Maybe you’ll be right and he will play a certain number of minutes and I’d be as ecstatic as everybody else if he scores a couple Saturday to break the record and then uses that confidence to fire us to promotion.

But will be frustrated if that gamble doesn’t pay off and he plays Saturday, picks up an injury and missed the play offs.
 

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Im not sure the dynamic between Frank and Toney is as you suggest or that Toney is as selfish as you think either.

I’d like to think he’s intelligent enough to realise that an individual scoring record is not as important as the club securing promotion and would realise any decision Frank makes is what he considers to be the best chance of achieving that aim.

Maybe you’ll be right and he will play a certain number of minutes and I’d be as ecstatic as everybody else if he scores a couple Saturday to break the record and then uses that confidence to fire us to promotion.

But will be frustrated if that gamble doesn’t pay off and he plays Saturday, picks up an injury and missed the play offs.
Im not saying Ivan tells TF who plays but he has earned the right to try and break the record and I'd be truly pissed off if I was denied the opportunity even if it is just for 60 minutes. I think you have to trust that he could have got injured at any point this season so unlikely to happen in the final game.
 

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Im not saying Ivan tells TF who plays but he has earned the right to try and break the record and I'd be truly pissed off if I was denied the opportunity even if it is just for 60 minutes. I think you have to trust that he could have got injured at any point this season so unlikely to happen in the final game.
I know it’s unlikely but the other games (arguably with the exception of Watford at the weekend) meant something and it was important to pick up points, this one means absolutely nothing.

We’ll have to agree to disagree whether personal records should be potentially put above the clubs ambitions.

I just want Saturday out of the way and us unscathed do the players and coaching staff can begin their play off preparations
 

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Erm in this instance I'd suggest you have no chance of stopping him playing as to do so would potentially leave you with an unhappy player. There well may well be an agreement that he plays x minutes then comes off though.
I'd like to think that Ivan is more interested in the team then a record that was only created on the basis of the 2nd tier being rebranded.

Infact from the way he conduct himself I'm sure he is.
 

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dont care about ivan beating the record at this point... BUT... messing around with a team which has just seemed to found its rhythm again might not be what thomas wants to do. These are the decisions he gets paid to make though and he will know ivan and the squad and how best to utilise them (i hope)
 

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Gossip columns at this time of year are fairly pointless reading.

We've not been promoted (yet) and have the highest goalscorer in the league, therefore anyone can easily summarise that a host of clubs will be looking at him.

It happens every summer, "Championship Star X linked with PL team/s placed from 5th downwards."
 

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According to reports on Twitter West Han have already held talks with his representatives...... if this is actually true is this not against the rules? Surely we would have to grant permission first? Perhaps I’m just a bit old fashioned!
 

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I expected West Ham to be mentioned as they sold their centre forward Haller. However they’re 5th and having the best season ever with Antonio leading the line brilliantly so hardly desperate.
Everton I read as well with an England squad player and a Brazilian International up top. I doubt either are that fussed today about securing his services just yet. I await Borussia Dortmund and Barca joining the auction as both have lacked firepower this season.
I would imagine it’s more likely to be Brighton or Watford if honest who will both need better than they have to stay up next season.
 

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According to reports on Twitter West Han have already held talks with his representatives...... if this is actually true is this not against the rules? Surely we would have to grant permission first? Perhaps I’m just a bit old fashioned!
It is but why would anyone take reports on twitter seriously
 

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I expected West Ham to be mentioned as they sold their centre forward Haller. However they’re 5th and having the best season ever with Antonio leading the line brilliantly so hardly desperate.
Everton I read as well with an England squad player and a Brazilian International up top. I doubt either are that fussed today about securing his services just yet. I await Borussia Dortmund and Barca joining the auction as both have lacked firepower this season.
I would imagine it’s more likely to be Brighton or Watford if honest who will both need better than they have to stay up next season.
I reckon this rumour-mongering is more like "who would pay £40m for a top striker" rather than "who actually needs to".
If West Ham or Everton offer more than anyone else in the PL for a player they don't really need, they really have money to burn.

As already said the rumours are fairly meaningless when nobody yet knows what division we'll be playing in next season. Yes, I would expect him to stay for another season if we are promoted.
And even if we aren't we'll at least be entertaining the possibility...no fire sales.
 

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I expected West Ham to be mentioned as they sold their centre forward Haller. However they’re 5th and having the best season ever with Antonio leading the line brilliantly so hardly desperate.
Everton I read as well with an England squad player and a Brazilian International up top. I doubt either are that fussed today about securing his services just yet. I await Borussia Dortmund and Barca joining the auction as both have lacked firepower this season.
I would imagine it’s more likely to be Brighton or Watford if honest who will both need better than they have to stay up next season.
Irrespective of what happens in the next month I'd expect Leics to make a move for him given they've likely qualified for the Chumps Lg next season and have a hyperactive striker in his 35th yr up front.
 

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Irrespective of what happens in the next month I'd expect Leics to make a move for him given they've likely qualified for the Chumps Lg next season and have a hyperactive striker in his 35th yr up front.
I fail to see why any top 6 PL club with European games would not first look to buy a striker with proven abilities at that level. A player with one decent Championship season is only going to appeal to bottom half clubs and we’ll price them out.
 

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I fail to see why any top 6 PL club with European games would not first look to buy a striker with proven abilities at that level. A player with one decent Championship season is only going to appeal to bottom half clubs and we’ll price them out.
.....'proven abilities' is a tad subjective because it infers someone like Islam Slimani is a better bet as he was a 1 in 2 striker in a pretty poor lg in Portugal. Throw in Ayoze Perez and that's £58m of failure based on the assumption that being groomed in a top tier side equates to some guarantee of future success.

Alongside Tielemens/Castagne the likes of Maddison, Barnes and Justin are (as important) components of that side and all came without a PL sticker attached.
 
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I infer none of that. I just believe there’ll be a lot of potential targets way higher up the list than Ivan for top-level PL. IMHO, much is in the imagination of fans who just notice the relative positions on charts.
 

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I was thinking. Do we get to vote for goal of the season? I know we've scored some corkers but......... He nearly came unstuck against Watford, but Ivan's penalties are such an art form. Usually I'd dismiss the 30 goal tally when so many were penalties, but not in his case. I'd love to see an Ivan penalty win it. A feat that would almost certainly never be matched and would be on "Question of Sport" in 100 years time. We'd have to all pick the same one of course. ;)
 

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West Ham have joined Chelsea and a host of other clubs in the race for Brentford's 25-year-old English striker Ivan Toney, who will cost £35m. (Sun) - BBC gossip
 

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I am surprised that so many think IT will stay if we get promoted, if WH, Chelsea, Leicester etc are interested they could probably
double what we could offer in salary.
 

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Unless we all get a cut if we sell him here??
That would be great, but then you'd have the bickering as to who receives/deserves what percentage cut - "he's going get more than me, nerr, that's not fair" - oh, I know .... we could use TAPs, just like the allocaion of Play-off tickets ! :unsure:
 

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i'm sure his agent is having some fun, and i'm sure Ivan has told him "let's not worry about all that until the season's over". just random speculation otherwise, nothing really worth worrying about...
 

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If we get £30m+ that’ll be more than we paid up front for Gray, Hogan, Jota, Canos, Vibe, Maupay, Said, Bryan, JDS, Ollie, and Ivan himself in total. I trust whether we go up or not the DoFs will spend wisely to bring in the next goal scoring machines.
 

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I am surprised that so many think IT will stay if we get promoted, if WH, Chelsea, Leicester etc are interested they could probably
double what we could offer in salary.
Except that he's under contract to 2025.

Remember, before he got his move, Said B had to stay an extra season at BFC, and that was in the Championship, not the PL.
 

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Except that he's under contract to 2025.

Remember, before he got his move, Said B had to stay an extra season at BFC, and that was in the Championship, not the PL.
Let's not kid ourselves, if someone had come in with the money West Ham offered a year earlier he would've gone.
 

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West Ham have joined Chelsea and a host of other clubs in the race for Brentford's 25-year-old English striker Ivan Toney, who will cost £35m. (Sun) - BBC gossip
I saw a headline that we have "demanded" £35m
I reckon there is a 0% chance that we have demanded any price, when we don't know what division we'll be playing in!
 
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I saw a headline that we have "demanded" £35m
I reckon there is a 0% chance that we have demanded any price, when we don't know what division we'll be playing in!
I can't see that his value would change until possibly he has played in the Premier League.
 

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I saw a headline that we have "demanded" £35m
I reckon there is a 0% chance that we have demanded any price, when we don't know what division we'll be playing in!
And we’re not really in the habit of publicising our player valuations.
 

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I can't see that his value would change until possibly he has played in the Premier League.
Surely his value is logically higher if we get promoted because we would have more financial power to reject any offer and Toney can move up to play at that higher level without going anywhere. If we were under pressure to sell I can see that his value , based on a season with us, is the same whether we win the play offs or not.

Also - that value has been made up by a newspaper who just took Watkins and Benrahma fees and added 10% to make a story?
 

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Except that he's under contract to 2025.

Remember, before he got his move, Said B had to stay an extra season at BFC, and that was in the Championship, not the PL.
Ivan has been fantastic for us; we shouldn't forget he is rightly very confident in his ability and he felt a PL move was more realistic last summer.

As no genuine PL offer or interest came in; stepping into the championship was required; we were a perfect solution. However after scoring 30 goals (so far), and with his all round performances any doubt PL clubs had about bringing a player straight from L1 are now gone as he proved his ability in a league up.

Personally if it's mid to lower PL teams showing an interest we'd have a chance of keeping him if we go up. If the reports are true it's top half or even top 6 clubs; I go back to his confidence last summer, he'll want to move even if we go up; it's his career and taking away my selfish feelings of wanting him to stay, who could blame him both from a footballing and financial viewpoint!

If we stay in the championship 100% he is gone, I think we'll get close to £30million again. Ollie has showed clubs we tend to get our valuation fairly spot on and whilst it is a lot of money it's a safe investment, I'd say the same about Maupay, Said, Konsa and Tarks.
 
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Surely his value is logically higher if we get promoted because we would have more financial power to reject any offer and Toney can move up to play at that higher level without going anywhere. If we were under pressure to sell I can see that his value , based on a season with us, is the same whether we win the play offs or not.

Also - that value has been made up by a newspaper who just took Watkins and Benrahma fees and added 10% to make a story?
His value is determined by what a club are prepared to offer.
 

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The club will be aware of the demand in him, as well as IT hunger for PL football.

If he has bids from Spurs, Chelsea, Everton etc, he simply will not be here next season. The league we are in is irrelevant.

35m+
 

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