Ivan Toney - Signs to June 2025

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I wonder if shivers ran down the spines of the DoFs when West Ham got mentioned or whether they look forward to locking horns again with the 'negotiators' at West Ham.
 

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I wonder if shivers ran down the spines of the DoFs when West Ham got mentioned or whether they look forward to locking horns again with the 'negotiators' at West Ham.
I doubt the DoFs take the slightest notice of media mentions! Any club that was vaguely interested would just call and inquire directly.
 

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The club will be aware of the demand in him, as well as IT hunger for PL football.

If he has bids from Spurs, Chelsea, Everton etc, he simply will not be here next season. The league we are in is irrelevant.

35m+

No one's irreplaceable anyway.
 

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Im not saying Ivan tells TF who plays but he has earned the right to try and break the record and I'd be truly pissed off if I was denied the opportunity even if it is just for 60 minutes. I think you have to trust that he could have got injured at any point this season so unlikely to happen in the final game.

Madness to play him. One extra goal would be nice but the big picture here isn't a personal accolade, its maximising the chances of the Bees getting promoted and I'm amazed how many people are willing to risk IT in a dead rubber.
 

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Madness to play him. One extra goal would be nice but the big picture here isn't a personal accolade, its maximising the chances of the Bees getting promoted and I'm amazed how many people are willing to risk IT in a dead rubber.
I think they are more interested in the record then Ivan probably is!
 

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I think they are more interested in the record then Ivan probably is!
Hmm did you watch the game last week - I'd suggest his reaction and that of the team in general means he was definitely interested in the record, anybody who plays the game would be and that is why he will play tomorrow with 99% certainty.
 

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Madness to play him. One extra goal would be nice but the big picture here isn't a personal accolade, its maximising the chances of the Bees getting promoted and I'm amazed how many people are willing to risk IT in a dead rubber.
He could get injured 2 minutes into the playoff game...
 

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I'm in this boat. If a top 8, club comes calling and offer to triple his pay. He'll want to be off. £35mill plus and he'll be gone
There's more chance of a top 8 PL club signing someone named Gabriel González from a South American club for half that amount.
 

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There's more chance of a top 8 PL club signing someone named Gabriel González from a South American club for half that amount.
And the DoFs know I will not accept a penny under £40m, so they're facing a right predicament.
 

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Hmm did you watch the game last week - I'd suggest his reaction and that of the team in general means he was definitely interested in the record, anybody who plays the game would be and that is why he will play tomorrow with 99% certainty.
Nah I was playing cricket!
 

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Hmm did you watch the game last week - I'd suggest his reaction and that of the team in general means he was definitely interested in the record, anybody who plays the game would be and that is why he will play tomorrow with 99% certainty.
I'm a big defender of Thomas Frank, but I reckon playing Ivan tomorrow would be plain bad management. I'd go further and say playing anyone you're intending to start with in the first leg would be plain bad management, unless they need match time to get fit. Football professionals are forever banging on about how there are too many games. I've never understood that myself. Why finely tuned athletes can't play football for three hours a week without wearing out is beyond me. When football was proper, top footballers would be falling off horses and nearly drowning on 'Superstars' the day before a cup final. But if the current science is right, why would you put them through an unnecessary 90 minutes? 97 if Webb's reffing.
 

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I'm a big defender of Thomas Frank, but I reckon playing Ivan tomorrow would be plain bad management. I'd go further and say playing anyone you're intending to start with in the first leg would be plain bad management, unless they need match time to get fit. Football professionals are forever banging on about how there are too many games. I've never understood that myself. Why finely tuned athletes can't play football for three hours a week without wearing out is beyond me. When football was proper, top footballers would be falling off horses and nearly drowning on 'Superstars' the day before a cup final. But if the current science is right, why would you put them through an unnecessary 90 minutes? 97 if Webb's reffing.

16 days is too long if we want to keep momentum and form imho
 

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I'm a big defender of Thomas Frank, but I reckon playing Ivan tomorrow would be plain bad management. I'd go further and say playing anyone you're intending to start with in the first leg would be plain bad management, unless they need match time to get fit. Football professionals are forever banging on about how there are too many games. I've never understood that myself. Why finely tuned athletes can't play football for three hours a week without wearing out is beyond me. When football was proper, top footballers would be falling off horses and nearly drowning on 'Superstars' the day before a cup final. But if the current science is right, why would you put them through an unnecessary 90 minutes? 97 if Webb's reffing.

Personally want us to go into the playoffs having won 4 in a row and with a settled team especially defensively so I can't agree with this - there will be some changes as we tend to make 2 or 3 every game but I'd be very surprised if Ivan doesn't play a part with a record within his grasp albeit a bit of a 'modern' one
 

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I'm a big defender of Thomas Frank, but I reckon playing Ivan tomorrow would be plain bad management. I'd go further and say playing anyone you're intending to start with in the first leg would be plain bad management, unless they need match time to get fit. Football professionals are forever banging on about how there are too many games. I've never understood that myself. Why finely tuned athletes can't play football for three hours a week without wearing out is beyond me. When football was proper, top footballers would be falling off horses and nearly drowning on 'Superstars' the day before a cup final. But if the current science is right, why would you put them through an unnecessary 90 minutes? 97 if Webb's reffing.

There's a lot to be said for momentum, plus we've only been playing this formation for a short while and the play off games are going to be a really big test of it whoever we play.
 

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He could get injured 2 minutes into the playoff game...

Whataboutery at its finest. The instance you point out would be out of our control and extreme misfortune. Playing him in quite literally a meaningless match and getting injured would be careless. The possibility of breaking a record which nobody cares about does not outweigh the risk of losing our best striker, no matter which way you try to spin it.
 

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Injuries can happen at anytime. Including whilst wrapped in cotton wool.

Of course. But the risk of injury is higher by playing in a competitive football match, than not playing.

Would you advocate starting Toney? If so, why?
 

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Of course. But the risk of injury is higher by playing in a competitive football match, than not playing.

Would you advocate starting Toney? If so, why?
You think Bristol City will be "competitive" 🤨
 

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Whataboutery at its finest. The instance you point out would be out of our control and extreme misfortune. Playing him in quite literally a meaningless match and getting injured would be careless. The possibility of breaking a record which nobody cares about does not outweigh the risk of losing our best striker, no matter which way you try to spin it.
I'm saying the likelihood of him getting injured today is the same as in a playoff game as is the same in every game of the 43 or so he has played this season so I am not sure why people are getting so anxious. As for the record you or I may not care but we are not the person with the opportunity to break it and for that reason I believe he will play some part later if not the full 90 minutes.
 

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A relevant quote from a BBC Sport Wales interview:
Conor Hourihane said:
In the campaigns I have been involved in, I do feel like the team going in with momentum go in with confidence...
 

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It’s Brentford innit. There’s always a curse lurking around the corner to derail our attempts to progress to the next level.

Let's forget about curses. We might tend to get there the hard way, but get there we do. From the fourth tier to the third, then from the third to the Championship (the year after the Trotta saga consigned us to another play-off failure), it's always been softly-softly. Let's hope this is our year to nix the hex. I've a feeling it is.
 

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A relevant quote from a BBC Sport Wales interview:
Let's hope so. Didn't help us to have those losses at the end, last year. Hoping for a solid, safe and confident game today. COYB's.
 

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Does that really have a bearing on it?

Not 100% sure, which is I put the ? at the end. I do know that multiple red cards do increase the length of ban but not sure if that kicks in on the 2nd or not.
 

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That was a lovely moment watching Toney get that goal. Big record broken there come on you Bees
 
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